My father was 'Charlie' LeVoguer. He was a seaman all his life. In the '40s and '50s we lived at 37 North Street. A terraced row between Bamforths cycle shop and the Peacock Hotel. He served in the North Atlantic during the war. In later years as a small boy, I remember him sailing out of Goole on the Rother and the Lancing. He finished his working life in the early '70s aged 62 on the Petrel a small coaster doing Goole-Boulogne runs.
I understand that my uncle, William Tudor, was lost when the Cedarbank was torpedoed during WW2. I read the following on your website:
Posted by david lea-jackson at 21/05/2006 15:58
Pedro;Ref the gunner on MV Cedarbank His name was W .McGRATH, 200,Commercial road, Liverpool.This info comes from the crew list I have in my possession.Regards,David L-J
I was wondering if anyone could provide some information on William Tudor and what happened please? I am researching our family tree and would appreciate any information about my uncle and or the ship.
for Jan Cedarbank sunk by u-26 on the 21st april 1940 at 7.49hrs.whilst on passage with munitions from Norway to Leith Scotland.Your uncle William Niel Tudor son of William and Elsie Mary Tudor of Bridport Dorsetshire.was the youngest member of the crew at 16 yrs of age. He was lost along with 13 crew members + 1 royal navy gunner 30 crew were rescued
for Jan His rating was Cabin Boy.
Thank you to George Robinson, "Pedro" and David Lea-Jackson for the information they have provided about my Uncle William Neil Tudor (he was always known as Neil in the family) and the MV Cedarbank.
Thank you once again. I am so glad that I found you on the Internet and am truly amazed at the swift response to my recent query.
I am trying to find a photo' of HM Rescue tug 'Tenacity' on which my wifes father was crew(Herbert Christie Marshall)I have the picture from the Goole Times article by Mike Marsh and I have found a small picture of her 'Sister ship'Jaunty, built at selby.I understand 'Bert Marshall' and Tenacity spent most of the early war years in the North Atlantic aiding the convoys.I will be glad of any 'Info'
Tenacity built by Cochrane of selby as the Diligent for the RN 1940-named tenacity 1940 then Adherent 1947 and Hermes 1962-Riverton Viking 1970 and Canadian Viking 1985.I do have a good pic of her on file.
Tenacity he other sister ships Sesame and Prudent.The Sesame sunk by Eboat just after Dunkirk.The Prudent became the Riverton Lion and was recently sunk deliberately to make an artificial reef off Vancouver Island.Unless I hear differently the old girl Tenacity under her new name is still towing rafts of logs up and down River in British Colombia.
In 1944 the canadian navy ship HMCS Longbranch in convoy ONS23 developed mechanical problems and was towed into St Johns Newfoundland by the Tenacity who left St Johns on the 14th june 1944 and joined convoy HXS 300 the largest convoy of the war.
In closing I guess those Canadians new good ships when they saw them.
Ahoy Pedro, the state the logging industry is in at the present time here in BC ,I doubt she is vey busy
hi Hamish we are still getting timber imports saying its from sustainable forests i/e chop one plant one.Hope alls well over there
Pedro! If it has blue streaks in it it is beetle kill, most of the pine in BC is going that way,and I don't hear of anyone planting anything,just like the salmon in the UK, we are doing the same thing letting the salmon farms kill off the wild stock
Hi Hamish I guess thats what some people call progress.Glad alls well with you and dont forget if you ever decide to visit the old place you will always find a berth here in Goole
P.S Cant guarantee the place is the one you remember tho apart from old shipmates :)
Can I ask any surfers with memories of shops or shopping in Goole to add comments to the Your Memories page (on the left-hand side)? This will start to get the momentum going for a future exhibition at Goole Museum
Pedro was back there(in Goole)in 1999 very big changes as you say, and thanks for the offer!I see the webmaster is looking for input re shopping in Goole, the only shopping I could help him with would be in the "railway"(Charlies) "Melodies" and the "Vymuden" which I suspect is not what he is looking for, I was "front and Centre" for the first bus to Leeds(if time permitted)as soon as the ship touched the dock, cheers H
My home is close to the shores of Southampton water. Less than a mile from the main shipping channel into the port. Of course I get a great view of all the new cruiseliners arriving and departing with their retinue of water plumes and firework displays. An awesome sight. But I remember when I first came to live here fifty years ago. My place of work was at the end of Calshot Spit. The Elizabeth and Mary would approach at such a rate of knots sometimes that their wake would send a huge wave over the Spit That really was a sight,and it was our job then to clear the road of shingle to get to work. nothing can compare to the sight of those ships. But of course they were British built and I may be guilty of feeling a little biased.
I remember during my seagoing days on a small coastal vessel from Goole we entered Southampton and passed the Queen Mary in all her majesty moored alongside the Quay.As we passed by we looked up and was met with derrogotary remarks like Ahoy there have you come for our ashes or brought us more coal:)
Hi Pedro. At last I have found someone who remembers visiting Southampton on a collier from Goole. If you could tell me the name of your ship and which company. it may help me in my research. It was before your time ,but my wifes grandfather Ted Hall did the same journey during the war. But I have been unable to find what ships. He ended up as Boson at the shipyard, before his retirement. The only Goole registered vessels I have ever seen here are mainly Sand & Gravel carriers.
Corby the Queen Mary incident I was on the Lancasterbrook
most of the colliers running for Hargreaves.Everards also had a contract doing the same. Everards 100th ship the Centurity was at Spithead Review 1953 for the Coronation celebrations then back to Goole for coal.Whartons of Keadby took coal then across to Jersey for potatoes to Southampton and alternate to Portsmouth.Other companys Stephenson Clark and France Fenwick regular colliers Goole to Southampton.
Greetings Corby and Pedro
very few colliers would be registered in Goole, Stevies were registered in London, but while on the "Seaford "with the infamous capt Stark ,we would make the odd trip to Poole, then on the way back north we would Bunker up the river toward Southhampton, it was a self serve and self docking operation, to an old wooden dock out in the river, you can imagine the fun we had getting alongside with the tide that runs in that place
Pedro I might have mentioned this before the skipper of the Lancasterbrook made a battery driven scale model of his ship, I do not know his name. It would have been c1957 when he gave it to my Dad. You can imagine the fun me and my brother had sailing it in the park ponds.
Geoff the skipper of the Lancasterbrook (i previously mentioned)
was Harold Lawson of Riversdale Drive Goole.The mate was Monty Rhodes of Goole.Captain Lawson piloted himself up and down the Ouse.His son also a pilot on the river (wife a school teacher)Captain Lawson also had the Sanfry he was decorated in WW11.Truly a gentlman that I had the Honour to sail with in the 1950s.
Geoff/Corby Go to canal page on the right see A romance of Export the story of a journey overseas with coal to Belgium from Goole.Captain Lawson on the Sanfry
Thankyou Pedro and Hamish for your input. I will have to rethink persuing my wifes ancestry considering the very large ammount of companies and ships involved in the movement of coal around our coasts. The annoying thing for us is that Ted Halls wife attended our wedding in '57 and knew we were going to live in Southampton where they were married and still had relatives here then. She could have told us so much. The only relative remaining in Goole now is Doreen Hall(nee Thorpe) widow of Bob Hall my wifes uncle. But she knows nothing of Bob's ancestry. Thankyou also Pedro for the "Sanfry" story. Very interesting
Corby you mentioned Ted Hall ending up in the shipyard.Do you mean Goole shipyard?if so my elder brother may know something
about him my brother now in his 83rd year went into the yard age 14yrs untill his retirement at 65.
Pedro, It was Goole shipyard. According to his daughter,Marion he ended his working life in the rigging shop
Corby got pic ok printed it will show it to my bro later in the week
Pedro. I have just thought of a solution to my Ted Hall problem. He had a son Ted who could have been born as early as 1910. On the death of his mother he lived at Pinfold St. Howden. That is as much as I know.But he may be the one your bro knew.
I wonder if anyone has information on a lady ship builder called Charlotte Atkinson. She was living at James St Goole (Snaith Parish) on the 1841 census. She had sons Robert, 25 and Ralph, 20. I cannot find her on any other censuses after that. The sons seem to disappear too. Does anyone have info on any ships she built at Goole (or elsewhere?).
I have inadvertently lost your email address.
Could you email me your latest version of the family tree please.
Paul sorry I have also lost your address, mine is firstname.lastname@example.org Let me have your address and I will send info to you.
Any one remeber M.V.FRIARGATE HULL GATE SHIPPING CO
Hello Malcolm Gillam
Funny coincidence. I was loooking for the sunk ship Ricardo Manuel in which my father was in 1971 and which corresponds as far as I could find to your ship:
1945 MARNA, South Georgia Co (Chr.Salvesen), Leith.
1960 HARCLIFF, Hargreaves Coal & Shipping Co, London.
1963 RICARDO MANUEL, Comp.Cia. Portuguesa de Nav, Panama.
4.9.71 Sank after collision with m/v ZAGORA off Casablanca Harbour.
My father was a mechanic there and told me from the event was that he had just left his cabin when Zagora struck where he had been just minutes before. They all abandoned the ship and were later recovered by the Zagora crew.
I remember visiting the ship when I was a little boy before the sinking in a harbour called Olho de Boi in Almada, Portugal. It was in poor condition, very rusty but it still impressed me, maybe because I was so young.
It is very little but that is the little piece of history I can add up and unfortunatelly my father left us in 2005.
Best regards and good luc in your search and if you find any pictures please let me know.
Re-Friargate remember her well if you follow Riversea link top right.You will find her in Goole built link.Also Northgate-Royalgate- and foxtongate along with her history
If there is anyone about that is interested in Marine Engines then put SULZER into google and then click on "The Most Powerful Diesel Engine in the World". 108,920 horsepower at 102 rpm. Another site which is interesting is Doxford then Doxford Engine Friends, then click on gallery. See how you go. Regards to all.
Hello Wilf. I was interested to read your input on the Doxford engines. My work on marine diesel installation was limited to little over 3,000 horse. Proteus, Deltic and Mtu But I have known about the Doxford range since I worked for Mike Doxford, a decendant of that family.He and his twin were given "X" amount to make their way in the world. His brother Robin went into banking and Mike had a commodoty brokerage in London. I worked for Mke in his Limit Up race team (Powerboats worldwide) To continue his racing he finally had sponsorship but by that time it was too late and he went bankrupt to the tune of £13M. Not long after he died, Cirrhosis of the liver. Email me for more.
Corby another good site for "Doxford"chat is -ships nostalgia
I would be very grateful for any information on
THOMAS ETHELBERT JOHNSTON. Ship owner of HULL.
To help with family history research.
Thankyou very much.
Thanks for the Ships nostalgia site Hamish. Lots of info there.
Can anyone help? I am seeking information on Cook's buildings. George Street. Around late 1800's. Where exactly was it
SORRY FOR THE DELAY IN REPLYING I would be interested in reading the article in the Goole Times
Hi Chris. If you email me on email@example.com I can return the story of The Golden Wedding which was given to me by David.
to George Robinson. Hi George, have you anything on SS Annie She appears on 1881 Ships in port. Goole 2.She must be quite large to carry the crew involved.
Thanks George . Sounds lke she was similar to Rosa.
Hi.. I'm just wondering if anybody may be able to help. I am trying to find out any information about an old painting that has recently come into my son's possession. It look's like an oil painting,( colour ) of a boat, in what appear's to be a river or lake of some sort..On the side of the boat,a name has been painted on. The first name we can tell has 5 letters,but we cannot tell the initial letter,.. The second part of the name is
definately Goole.. so, it read's something like ?arle Goole...
At the bottom of the painting is a name and a date... The name appear's to be either J.Presset , or, it could be J. Prosset...and the date look's like 1957 ... This particular painting was behind another, this being a black and white portrait , of a striking looking gentleman, in what appear's to be a Captain's uniform of the British Royal Navy.. Sadly, there are no names or dates upon that picture.. We are extremely intrigued, and would love to be able to put a name to the face, and , to know perhaps wether or not there may have been some kind of connection between the two .. If there is anybody who may be able to help in any way, please could you contact me via this site..
Thankyou so much..
Karen how did you establish the gent in the "front "picture as being in the "Royal navy"? Sleeve rings, cap badge,?
Karen, that name is quite a puzzler, I presume that the name you are reading is on the stern so that 'Goole' will be the port of registry ... there have been no ships to my knowledge with Goole as the second part of a two-word name.
The nearest I can get with a Goole ship would be the WHARFE, an old steamer built in 1890 ... does it look like that sort of age, if not what does it look like?
Intrigued Karen You say a picture of a boat is it a small sailing vessel or a large cargo ship if the latter does it have funnel markings if so this may help.1957 not so long ago for us oldies.
Hello & Thankyou to Hamish, George & Pedro for taking the time to reply to my message. I appreciate it.. As for the Questions you have raised regarding the painting's, I'm afraid I have no knowledge of boats at all, so I'm unable to say wether or not it look's as if it may be from the 1800's .. Sorry ....
From what I can see, there are definately mast's of some sort, but no visible sails...and the name is at the rear of the boat...
As for the Gentleman in the other painting, yes, he does have a cap badge, and there are two '' ring's'' at the bottom of his jacket sleeve, with some sort of '' crest'' inbetween ? The jacket appears to be double breasted, with 8 buttons.. I have a feeling that the trousers & shirt would be white, with the jacket perhaps navy or black ? He also has a tie on..
I'm afraid it's not alot to go on, unfortunately, is it ! ( laughs )
If possible, would anybody be willing to pass on their email address for me ? If so, I will take some photographs of the two painting's, and then I will be able to email them through. Hopefully, that way I may be able to find out more about them ..
Also, are there any other web sites that may be of some use ?
Thank's again for any help given or offered..
Karen - you can send a photo to firstname.lastname@example.org and I'll link to it from the website
Hello again.. Thankyou for that , Stuart.. I will ask my son to take some photographs, and will email them forward as soon as possible.
Greetings Karen! Try www.shipsnostalgia.com
I alighted on this excellent website via a Google enquiry on the MV Whitby Abbey. The reason for my interest in the ship is that she was one of the ships in the Associated Humber Lines fleet which sailed out of Goole and Hull. In fact, I am pretty sure, but I could be wrong, that AHL (then part of the British Transport Commission) was established following its acquisition of the old Goole Steam Shipping Company.
My late father, George Hill, was a marine engineer with AHL and "came ashore" as Assistant Marine Superindent Engineer with an office in Goole before moving later to AHL's office in Hull as Marine Superintendent Engineer. He was heavily involved in the renewal of the AHL fleet in the 50's. The Whitby Abbey was among the new fleet (she was built either on the Wear or on the Clyde which one I cannot now recall).
During one voyage she caught fire in the North Sea and I believe that she was salvaged although she sustained serious damage. Her master was a Captain Wooller who I think lived in Goole. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who recalls the ship, the fire - in particular a reference to the Board of Trade inquiry - and was on board at the time or perhaps had a relative who was a member of her crew.
Ref my post of yesterday I have now done some further research. The memory must be going! It was the Fountains Abbey which caught fire in the North Sea not, as I mistakenly thought, the Whitby Abbey. However, if anyone can throw light on the circumstances of the fire and in particular, how I might be able to locate the Board of Trade enquiry report I would be most grateful.
WHITBY ABBEY and FOUNTAINS ABBEY were both from the Hall Russell yard at Aberdeen in 1954.
FOUNTAINS ABBEY fire was on 12/2/1962 and broken up at Bruges the following month.
WHITBY ABBEY sold out of the fleet in 1968.
I sailed with Fred Wooler on the SS.Alt 1953 he came from Hull.
At this time was living in Hessle we knew him as mad Freddy when the steamers were anchored off Hull awaiting fog to clear before travelling up to Goole he would steam thro them arriving in some cases hours earlier and other company masters having to explain what kept them.
George and Pedro,
Very many thanks for your helpful and illuminating responses to my query ( I had quite forgotten that Hall Russell had built some of the new fleet). Now that I have the date of the fire I'll check back on the newspaper coverage of the event.
Incidentally, in addition to the " butter boats" - the Byland and Kirkham Abbey which sailed out of Goole - some of the other 'new' AHL ships sailing from Goole were named after west Yorkshire cities and towns. The Wakefield was certainly among them but the names of the others I cannot remember.
Both my friend John Appleyard and my Uncle Billy Ash sailed on the Fountains Abbey. John recently gave an account of an incident which happened to my Uncle when after returning from a trip he had to do maintainance work within the funnel and was unlucky to fall down onto the machinery below. John was unable to expand on the story. How badly injured he was . I would love to hear any comments if anyone can remember it happening.
Corby Bunting's story about his uncle's accident inside the funnel of the Fountains Abbey prompts the thought that if a similar accident occurred today the ship would not have been allowed to sail again until a full 'elf'n safety' inquiry had been completed. Seriously, I do hope that he recovered from any injury he may have sustained.Like Corby, any other stories and recollections from people who sailed aboard the vessel will be most welcome.
other motor ships Leeds n Harrogate
Losing my marbles forgot the York.Altho I sailed on the Macclesfield but then thats in Cheshire:)
John you struck a nerve with the comment "Butter Boats" I sailed on the"Don" which along with the "Dearne"(spelling?) were the "Butter Boats" in my era, altho' I was there when the "New" ones came on line, but had smartened up a tad and moved to Colliers
Corby I see you recently mentioned a John Appleyard if he served his time at Goole Shipyard when you see him please pass him my regards Wilf
Many thanks pedro.As I remember, the AHL ships like the York and Harrogate had the bridge and accommodation aft rather than amidships?
Hi Wilf. Will do. Although we now live 280 miles apart. I have met up with John more in the last 4 years than I have in the last 50. That's life.
Hamishs way of smartening up :) Like a lot of us would be financial on the lanky steamers we had to sell our bond cigs and baccy to make a few bob ;more overtime and better accomodation on the colliers.The old lankys would roll in a grass field(as the saying went)Living forward on the Alt we had a body and soul lashing consisted with a wire strung from the focsle to amidships a rope around the waist fastened to it and run like hell after she ship a wave over the top.OH Happy days
With you there Pedro! my first trip to sea, out of Goole was on the "Blisworth" (later the "Holdernidd, and built in 1902 as the Kathleen)lived forrad, and the same system to get aft, wait till she was coming up for air, take your life in your hands ,and leg it for the midships, many times stood my trick at the wheel wet!But by the same token one could get awful wet even living aft on one of Steve Clarkes east coast submarines The very forward AB's cabin on the "Blisworth" the top bunk,only had half a pillow, the rest off the space was taken up by the hawes pipe,imagine being "watch below"when some silly mate let the anchor go
I took a nostalgic walk along the river bank today (between showers) Noticed a pleasure craft high and dry on the sandbank
while I was watching the RNLI arrived they must have had a long trip as the nearest station is at Spurn Point.Other commitmets prevented me from seeing the outcome of the rescue,Hopefully the boat would refloat as the tide came in.Still aware how treacherous this river can be to weekend sailors.And of course the debt of gratitude we owe the RNLI.
re alan andersons query on the tenacity.My dad Frank Huntington served on the Tenacity during the war ,and he told me another 'Goolie' shipmate was Slippy Marshal,no doubt your wifes father.They spent some time in Halifax Nova Scotia where the rescue tug was based to tow any damaged ships running the North Atlantic convoys back into port.Somewhere I have some photographs but it may take some time to find them.I will keep you posted.
To Frank Huntington. My uncle Billy Ash was also on the tug Tenacity. He died in 1973. I have read your families write up in Mike Marshes Goole at War 2. I was intrigued. First of all my father lived at no. 10 Mason Terrace from the age of 11 When his father died. Could you tell me what lot your grandfather George was in in the Great War?My father, and grandfather were coal trimmers working for Kettlewells.and later checkers I know my brothers and sisters spoke of your family. all being of similar ages. My brother, Jim served on the Royal Oak, Revenge,Orion & Montclare
Search starlight publishing go to ships there are numerous Goole oldies along with some crews photos inc Tenacity.
Hello Stuart,Reference the posting on your Web'(Ships) from Frank Huntington, 24.4.'08.Frank is quite right that 'SlippyMarshall' was my wifes father and a crew member of HMRT TENACITY.You can give Frank my e-mail add. as I have some Archive material from St.Johns in Canada to do with TENACITY where the Tug and crew are still honoured to this day in a yearly 'Toast' and tribute to them in a harbourside club.Pedro mentions Starlight publishing as a source of photo's,I will have another look there.An old friend of mine that some of you will know in the 'Ship world',Dennis Farrar is also helping me to find a decent photo of TENACITY.Pedro and I have been in contact on this research and we know she was in Canada for a lot of years towing 'Logs' when she was the 'RIVTOW VIKING' Keep up the chatter and 'Info' "It's good to talk!"
I have the same photo sent it to Alan
To Wilf. Hi Wilf John sends his regards and remembers you well as being one of the older apprentices when he started at the shipyard. John and I have long conversationed on Marine engines. He relives the trips when he went deep sea. Punching the ebb going up the St. Lawrence. You need a good engine under you at times like that. My experience was being involved with smaller craft. But one in particular craft had 3 -20 cylinder 3,000 horse Merc. engines which propelled it at speeds in excess of 50 mph. The need for this craft was to carry 20 tons of cigarettes! Happy days.
Hi Corby I would think ear defenders would be the order of the day on that craft. Re John A, many thanks for the contact with him, I'm sure I've heard him mentioned by my brother in law John H from Ripon and we wondered if he knew John had died in Dec 05. Regards Wilf. (email@example.com )
AM tracing my family tree and from info provided from my grand-mother it seems her grandfather FREDERICK BUCK was drowned whilst at sea aboard this vessel---how can i find records re ships crew to confirm this story and is there anywhere i can see a picture of the boat itself??
fleetwood museum website has forwarded a posting from this site dated 09/11/07 which mentions the vessel but how do i investigate further?
for Rachel if you go to feedback archive ships on left of the page.You can see the original posting by George.Unless he has more info it shows her as a ketch built at howdendyke 1871 by banks
Rachel you would be hard pressed to find an actual photo of her
But to give you some idea look at humber working craft top right of page you will sketches of Ketch rigged fishing craft etc.
Any news on my old friend Billy the Guy?
For the moment, comments on this page are moderated due to the large amount of automated spam that is appearing. I'm sure none of you contributors need Viagra, so I'll keep the page moderated until the spam dies down - hopefully in the next few weeks
Hamish I hear Billys ok at the moment I will keep you informed But Barbados beckons leaving on the 19th may see you all in 5 weeks time and catch up on posting .
Thanks for that Pedro,You have a safe and happy trip, rumour has it the have good rum there
Hamish yes these old ex sailors orders in my book Captain Morgan and Mountgay
Does anyone remember a visit to Goole by the Royal Navy in 1953? It was to celebrate the Coronation and I am pretty sure that one of the ships was a submarine. Would like to know what the other ship/ ships were.
I remember HMS Tresspasser T class submarine in goole docks
can't exactly remember dates but next time I saw her was in the Indian ocean and that was definately 1954 after her visit.
I seem to recall other RN ships visiting and believe photos can be found in the library museum at Goole.
Thanks for that information Pedro. I will certainly look in the library museum when next visiting Goole.
Stay safe and enjoy your trip.
HMS TRESPASSER, yes she did visit but a bit earlier than you mention, a fine photo of her in Ocean Lock on 16 July 1949 is in the archives at the Waterways Museum. I have a copy here if anyone interested.
has any one photoes of the elizabeth lysaght one of stephenson&clarks and the old steam ship selby,not the new mv selby.i was on them both in 1957 as an a.b
Ken ,Good picture on WWW.Ships nostalgia.com of the "Elizabeth Lysaght" You know I sailed on a few Stevie Clark ships, but never heard of this one before
hamish. thanks for the mv elizabeth lysaght and how to find the picture.out of 27 ships i sailed on , deepsea and coastal ,i now have 24 pictures out of the 27.all i need now to complet the set,are
the old ss selby
the whitby abby
the mv maple dell one of canadian pacific steam ships
thanks for your help ken
Ken I was surprised that the "Selby" was not on this site see Rversea top right hand corner this page. But I did find her on shipsnostalgia.com, click on gallery, then in the search panel put in Selby, you will have to wade through three or four pages of tugs etc, but she is there ,and looks like a cracker of a photo cheers H ps Did you sail out of Goole?
She is not on Riversea under 'Shipowners of Goole' section because ... she was a Hull registered ship!
Built for Wilson's and North Eastern Railway Co.'s joint venture into shipping, later of course under the AHL Hull fleet.
Thanks for the info George, always thought she was one of AHL's.And Ken there is also a photo of Beaverdell-Mapledell on shipsnostalgia with a little history, I was looking for her as "Maple Dell "untill georges post pointed out it was all one word cheers H
thanks for s.s. selby sight, a good picture. i sailed out of goole from 1957-1961, that is when i married a hull girl and whent home trade out of goole. before that i sailed out of london .ships i signed on in goole were,amity, fredrick t everard,authenticity, amitiy , s.s. selby,aire ,i was on the wheel when she sank at saltmarsh,elizabeth lysaght,whitby abbey,selectivity,byland abbey, and the new then
thanks again ken
thank you for the mapeldell sight , i am now putting them in an album whith a few words as to where i went on them. i think i can remember that far back. thank you again for your help. ken
Ken I have a set of the AIRE wreck from Charlie Hill, e-mail me if you are interested. Charlie is always happy to share his photos!
Greetings Ken! I was on the "Aire" for three months in May 1956, a happy little ship ,Capt Collier was master and Dennis Tute was mate, also a good friend of mine George Cannon was an AB,ran to Ghent ,Antwerp, Rotterdam and Amsterdam, week about.The pictures by Charlie Hill that george mentions ,about the wreck are very good(I have them someplace)bring back a lot of memories, Take care H
hamish, may 56 i was on the mv polamhall,newcastle steam ship co. heading for canada,montreal,for a cargo of grain back to avenmouth.jack collier was still captain when i was on the aire.he was a gentelman.i cannot remember if i sailed with george cannon or met him around goole but i did know him. george moody ,and brian ellertson, come to mind allso.
I have recently found my GGG grandfather Richard Robinsons Voyages for 1854. His departure was on a vessle called Fullerton from Goole. I wonder if anyone has any information, it looks like the vessle went to London. In the 1861 census he was a master on a vessle called Active this was in the grimby Keel. I have not been able to find any seamans ticket number for Richard if anyone can give me an idea or help I would be very greatful
If you were deep sea then you must have still been shipping out of Hull? I lived in Leeds so most of my postings were to coastal boats( more OT, better grub and cabin a man)when the Goole Pool sent one afield ,it was Usually when they ,at the pool,where one was sent, were out of "victims" for some dog they could not man,had a couple of those ,till I smartened up and stayed on the coast, the AHL were not the best, time off for OT earned etc, but one did get more home time, and the colliers were great for OT take care H
Being from the south i sailed out of the London docks, my pool office was on Conought road.If i remember rightly it was just out side the King George dock.I only moved to Hull In 1957 when i got married,hence shipping out of Goole i was home more often.George R. has been very help full and found the last of the ships for me.I now have photos of every ship i sailed on.
For Dawn try digest magazine a knottingley website shows two sloops named Active built at Knottingley registered at Goole
Active No1 15th april1829
Active No2 1st sept 1846
My diving friends believe that a sister ship of my dads ship the Rye is lying on a sand bank a bit further out to sea. The Rye is in a shipping channel approx 6 miles of Sea Palling, Norfolk, sunk by Herman Buchting in e/boat S27. I know it can't be the Ouse as that was sunk of Newhaven in convoy CW9 on the 8/8/1940 by the same officer that sank the Rye in e/boat S20. That means if it is a sister ship it must be a WW1 wreck, meaning either the Dearne which was lost in 1915 I believe, or the first Rye which lasted to 1918 I understand. I have looked on the imternet but can't find any information, I am hoping you can fill in the gaps for me.
Well the Rye built 1914 and sunk by U boat 1918 by torpedo is listed as lying off Cap D'Antifer
The Dearne seized by germany 1914 and sunk in the North Sea 1915 on the 22dec was I guess still in german hands and sunk by the British navy Im afraid I cant find her exact position.
The Mersey was sunk 1940 by a mine off the Kent coast
Can anyone help? I am looking for a SSDione. On the 1881 census place for this ship was Flamborough.The ship had a crew of 19 men.So I believe it was quite large. What I would like to know is did it visit Goole? The steward's name was James Wright of Northallerton.My grandmother's father was James Wright who was at sea when the census took place. I am currently going through the Ships in port register to find this man
s.s. DIONE for Corby.
I am a bit puzzled by her being 'at Flamborough' in the 1881 census, perhaps they covered vessels sheltering there?
Anyway, while I cannot be definitive about the ship, this seems to be a likely candidate ...
Built 1868, 693grt, 191.1 feet x 29 feet, iron hull
Compound 2 cyl steam engine by Blair & Co., Stockton
Built by Richardson, Duck & Co. at Thornaby-on-Tees
launched as NORTH EASTERN but completed as DIONE for Richardson & Co., Hull
In LR 1905 she is owned by Tyne-Tees Steam Shipping Co., Stockton
Sold 1908 as PARAYAS
Sold 1909 as AURORA ... which name she retained for an extremely long life under the Spanish flag, being owned at Bilbao as late as 1964 when broken up, still with her original engine!
The Spanish were certainly expert at keeping old steamers going.
Thankyou George for that. It's a sign of the times. Nothing is made to last anymore
I'm ttrying to find/locate any possible info-blueprint-pictures on the ss ralph creyke 2, i allready tried many museums,archives,without succes...can anyone help?
Does anyone out there have a photo etc of the SS Alt, I understand it was used to evacuate troops from St. Malo during the Dunkirk evacuation. One group was the 106 Army Troop Company Royal Engineers from Doncaster any info please
Re SS Alt. Left Click on "The Ships" on right hand side towards top of "Goole on the Web" page. Left click on "Riversea" towards the top on RHSide. Scroll down to "Shipowners of Goole". Left click on "Part One The Railway Steamers" Scroll down, find, and left click on Alt 1911, its three quarters down the page.
Surfing the web came across this site brought back lots of memories I sailed out of Goole from 1950 -1955, mainly on the railway boats. ie ss Hodder Capt Collier, and Capt Allan (12 month in her) ss Alt can't remember the skipper, Fountains Abbey, I was motorman on her.
The last ship was the Aire Capt H Boyes I also sailed on the Lancasterbrook 1951-52 Capt H Lawson, good ship and good skipper. Any one out there remember the Dona Flora a real rust bucket a bad ship all round? I lost an old mate off her "Harry Martin". Any one know him he was a Goole man? I lived in Thorne.
Other names I remember are, Ginger Skinner He was Boson big lad had some good times ashore with him ,Old Vandatac, he spoke a few languages ,Bit of a loner
I was a fireman known as Tashy Campbell. I was also ex Royal Navy. Hope to get some response from some old ship mates. All the best
Hi George! Indeed you sent that info to me! we'll be diving her thursday or friday if conditions are ok,i'll keep u informed!
Stefan I hope you post your dive results here. I'm sure we are all interested in the outcome.
I have no idea where to start looking for information on my uncle whoes name is John (Jack) Johnson born in Widnes was a Gunner on a Merchant navy ship (started the war in the army passed out with my grandad (unbeknown) then mn was asking for volunteers to go in to mn which he did) he was a very tall man signed the forms him self as he was under age. can anyone give me a clue on any cargo ships sunk under attack in irish sea around 1940-1942. His Mother was called Mary Jane Johnson and his Dad was called Charlie Johnson. He had alot of brothers and sisters of which there's only 1 sister left alive somewhere in Canada. if any one has any ideas please e-mail me.
For Peter Roach, Winnipeg, Canada - re your comments on this Messenger Board 28/10/2007:
My grandfather, Even Evensen, born 1867, was captain onboard the Norwegian iron barque "Coimbatore", foundered after collision with "Zinita" on 25th December 1905 off Cape Leeuwin, W. Australia. 17 men from "Coimbatore" including my Grandfather, were lost. I have a number of Norwegian newspaper pages from 1906, with many details of the incident, including a letter, sent from Wallarroo, from the only survivor of "Coimbatore", junior seaman Klaus Olsen (18 years old. He succeeded in jumping on to the "Zinita" at the moment of impact.
I understand that you have come across a written diary of your Grandfather, W.D. Roach of "Zinita", devoting several pages of the day 25th December 1905. I would of course very much like to come into contact with you so that we could exchange information from that sad day.
I know that here is a large painting and a model of "Coimbatore" in the halls of the Seamen's Club of Porsgrunn, (100 miles from here) where the ship was registered. I am going to visit the club this fall together with my children.
For Keith Johnson
Keith, are you saying he was lost due to a sinking in the Irish Sea?
A quick look at Cheshire births/deaths on internet shows a John Johnson born 1925 and died 1940, both registered in the Runcorn sub-district of Halton .... could that be him?
If you can pin down the death date then that could lead to a ship from the War Loss records.
Just a Reminder
Every year Goole and District Mariners Association remembers seamen who sailed from Goole and did not return.This years service will take place at the Seamans Memorial on Lock Hill Hook Road,on Sunday,September 7th at 1pm.
I wonder if anyone can tell me the whereabouts of Clive Middleton.
Thanks Wilf for location of the picture of SS Alt it looks bigger than it felt with 2000 troops on board. Thank you again
Your thread dated 30/07/08 concerning the Coinbatorie refers. Last year, using this informative site I made mention of the fact that I had my G/Fathers discharge papers from the above ship dated 1895. What I was seeking was info on the ship and any prints,photo's or paintings in existance.
I picked up on the history but hav'nt had much success with the latter.
By the way the Coinbatorie was my G/F's first ship and I think he joined her at about 12years of age.
I found your site by accident when looking up info on Goole as I am doing my family tree, I am looking for info on Thomas Watson, who I think was the Master of the" Cupro" out of Albert dock Hull early 1900's, he died in 1914, I am also looking for John (Jack ) Morris who died as the result of an accident in the dockyards (although he was on the railways) in about 1932. I'm also interested in getting in touch with Christine Rickards about a John Townsley as I may have photo of him and the SS Colne + crew. I'd be very grateful for any info anyone can help with. Brenda
Hello Brenda. If you have any more detail on John Morris. For instance was he 47 at date of death? This man could be my wifes grandfather's brother.One of a large family of railway workers living at Nego house Rawcliffe in the 1901 census. for more details email me at firstname.lastname@example.org
MATTHEW (aka JACK) GOFTON
1884-1956. My Grandfather was berthing master at Goole Docks after a long career at sea. I believe he and his family lived in East Parade which I know has now been demolished. I am looking for information about the ships he sailed on. Does anyone have any recollection of Matthew, I understand he was quite a character. Thanks
Does anyone recall the Sandringham Queen from back in the late 1950's, early 1960's? I sailed on her for a couple of months at that time but cannot for the life of me remember what company she belonged to or the funnel colours. Also, the Richmond Queen. Were they the same company?
Gary same company Queenship Navigation Co 35 Crutchard Friars London.Buff funnel black top
Gary sorry Buff funnel red band black top Sandringham Queen was built at Goole Right of page click on Goole shipyard info see pic and info.
Re-Queenships spent many happy :( hours painting funnels of Roman-Windsor-Tudor-Celtic and Sandringham Queens.Gary regards to all in Canada.
Messaage for Brenda Tunnicliffe
I would love to hear from you and to receive any information or photographs of my grandfather John Townsley. My e-mail address is email@example.com
can anyone remember ss humbergate?or mytongate?
My father, capt thomas william westerdale, sailed out of Goole on the Hodder and then on the butterboats Don and relieving skipper on the Dearn. His first diesel ship was Byland Abbey also of the Copenhagen run. Has anyone got a photo of either the don or dearn (not sure of spelling of dearn) or Byland Abbey. He also relieved on Fountains Abbey.
Hi Gordon If you left click on RIVERSEA in the top right hand of this THE SHIPS page RIVERSEA INTERNATIONAL appears. Scroll down to SHIP OWNERS OF GOOLE and left click onto PART ONE : The RAILWAY STEAMERS and down very near the bottom of the page you should find Don & Dearne built 1924, Bylands Abbey built 1956. You should also find the Hodder in the same area.
Hi Gordon. Regarding your request for details on AHL vessels, if you look back through this site you will see a few postings on sites regarding ship searches.
Hope you are well and still enjoying life in the Dales. Should you need to get in touch I am on firstname.lastname@example.org
Has anyone any information about the SS Cottingham? I read today that she rammed a German submarine in 1815 which later sank. The submarine was raised by the British as a trophy and I wondered if she was a Goole registered ship. I know that my great grandfather served on her around 1911 which suggests that she was.
Christine click on Goole Shipyard info top right all info here plus photo
Regarding your submission about your dad, Capt. Westerdale, I had the pleasure of sailing under his command on the 'Byland Abbey' for quite a few trips between 1959 and 1961. He was quite a guy. Firm but fair. I also have photos of the Byland. If I can figure out a way to send you copies, I will. I am not a computer nerd yet, but I'm trying.
Does anyone have any information on the SS Aldinga (EX GLENSTAL). In service 1939-1945. My brother served on this vessel and I would like any information please. After leaving this vessel he joined the American small ships Rufus King. Any info greatfully accepted thanks.
Does anyone in the Goole area know of Gilbert Barley who wrote some interesting booklets in the 90's on the old Associated Humber Lines aka the Lanky's to Goole folk - my father sailed on most of them - Whitby Abbey, Kirkham Abbey (butter boat) Rother, Don, Selby, Wakefield, Leeds, York and Darlington -as well as the Melrose Abbey and the Bolton Abbey out of Hull Riversid Quay
ref Martin Smith's recent post seeking information about Gilbert Barley and the publications he produced on the AHL fleet, I too would be very interested in obtaining copies.Wonder if Goole Library or the Waterways Museum can assist?
FAO of Peter - I have both booklets - one titled The Lanky's 36 pages-1990 and the other is titled A.H.L 40 pages with no date of printing - full of information and photo's - the author Gilbert Barley once worked in the AHL offices and refers to my father in the AHL book - both are described as books in the Marshland Local History series and a contact address for ordering as follows -bear in mind this from 18 or so years ago.
Mr L Turner
I attended the goole seamans memorial service today,although I am from leeds, i sailed out of goole in the early fifties for nearly five years ,so I consider my self a goole seaman! this was the first time to attend the service, the garden was most impressive ,and well kept ,(I understand by volunteers), quite a good turn out,but not like the old days of steam ,the river and docks so quiet, thats progress??
Just perusing the Goole Shipyard info took another look at the Darwin built1957.I went onboard her in 1959 when she was running from the Falklands to Montevideo.Note she was arrested
in Bermuda and scutttled 1983 I would love to know the rest of this story i/e WHY?
I too Lived in Leeds and sailed out of Goole in the early fifties, sailed with Jimmmy Cooper, Arther Mason,Peter Olley to name a few more Leeds lads. AHL.Stevie Clarke, BEA. Kettlewells.all regular Goole callers Wish we were back in them days!!Hailed from Crossgates along with Peter Olley, Arther and Jimmy were from Halton, take care H
I enjoyed reading your site. Perhaps you could help me find my great grandfather. He was listed as living in Goole in the 1901 Census. Living in a boarding house. married but no family listed with him. Age 52, born in North Frodingham; an "X AB seaman". That is the last I have of him. I don't know what ship he might have been on; or when; or how long a seaman. In 1886 his wife left him and went to the United States. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Pedro, all I can trace is that she arrived as DANIA at Bermuda 'under escort' on 21/3/1979, was arrested in 2/1980 then scuttled 15/8/1983.
Presume she had been up to no good (drug running maybe)?
Yes George she was kept by the authorities quite a few years before the decision to make a reef of her.I was on the Highland Brigade (royal mail)In Montevideo she came alongside us to transfer mail from Falklands I recognised the Goole Shipbuilding plaque on her bridge went aboard and met the skipper a dour scot at that time.Yes she had a colourful career indeed.She also brought passengers from the Islands came back with us to the UK mostly blokes to serve an appenticeship in Joinery.
I wonder how many watched,as I did the other night the BBc programme Who do think you are,the subject or victim on this occasion being David Suchet.
I happened to pick up,whilst he was researching his GG/father that when checking the Lloyds Reg for 1860 odd there was an entry above the ship he was looking for that being "THE THREE BROTHERS"Reg at Goole,foundered on the Suffolk coast near to Southwold.
Now I ask.Do the sages of Goole have an answer for me?
I am looking for info on Thomas Watson, bargeman, on 1881 census he was master of the Frederick Wm out of Albert Dock Hull, and on 1901 census he was master of the Cupro also Albert Dock Hull. Would also appreciate info on both vessels many thanks .Brenda
re "fountains abbey", i went with other crew members to aberdeen take delivery of her for ahl late 54, on arrival at aberdeen we found she broken down on trials and was still at sea. this meant we had to stay overnight at the seamans mission. on arriving at goole we were berthing at west dock south to load for amsterdam,to bring her up to ease alongside the rang down for slow astern but we went slow ahead instead thereby clouting the quay pretty smartly.on passage to amsterdam somewhere south of the wash the fuel pump(engine) packed in and the watch on deck when not at the wheel was down in the engine room hand pumping the fuel (i know because i did it) till we put it to yarmouth,pretty eventful start for new ship eh! if you want to know anything about the fire my mate mike spence is a survivor from it
Hi David I watched the same programme with interest.Most surprised that David Suchet was unaware he had a master mariner in his family tho.I have also visited the same lifeboat museum at Southwold found lots of Goole related Mariners here.
from GOOLE and MARSHLAND GAZETTE
1st December 1855 sloop THREE BROTHERS
The vessel Three Brothers of Goole foundered off Sherringham
Norfolk,with the loss of all hands including her master Joseph Howard.
My own research shows her as built 1828 by Joseph Teal of WAKEFIELD owners at the time George and Benjamin Howard of Knottingley probably the captains family (this is only my guess)
ref Martin Smith's query ( and my own on the same topic) on the publication about the AHL fleet by Gilbert Barley, I have confirmed with the Yorkshire Waterways Museum at Goole that copies can be consulted in the reference library. The publication(s) was co authored by Ted Wild.
See also Martin Smith's message on 07/09/2008. Sorry for not approving his message straightaway, but I was trying dig out my copy of the booklet to confirm the details.
i remember humbergate i was galley/messroom boy around 52, by the way are you manfred reich?
re tom lofthouse, i sailed with a "poppy" lofthouse in the rother, why poppy i didn't know but he was a card and a good shipmate, one thing i remember too he had with him a helicrafter radio and could receive anything from almost anywhere in the world, sorry to hear he's not with you any more
Does anyone remember AHL Captain's Joe Blackburn, Bill Laverack and Captain Collier as my father rated them as the best he sailed with - I know that first two were Goole men - my dad used to say any Master who could sail to to Goole without a pilot were called "Goolies" !!
Martin - Use the left-hand Movers & Shakers link in the Feedback Archive section for some memories of Captain Laverack 25/03/2006 and 01/11/2006
For Martin Smith, re Joe Blackburn
Sea Breezes v45 no308 August 1971, pages 600-603, had an article about Joe Blackburn, title A Master and his Ship. Capt. Joe Blackburn and the "Melrose Abbey". It has an account of his career, and also his photograph. He was born in Goole in 1911. I kept a copy because I thought he might belong to the family of my own Blackburn ancestors, but I am now fairly sure there were two Blackburn lines in the Swinefleet/Old Goole area, and he belonged to the other one.
Also, re Capt Laverack, I seem to remember an article about him in the Goole Times around 3-6 months ago.
I sailed with Captain Collier on the "Aire" back in the fifties,and I concur with your Dad , He was a gentleman and a scholar and a great mariner, the Mate at the time was a Dennis Tute who went to become a Goole pilot, whom I suspect got most of his river "schooling" from Jack Collier
there were as you probably know two Captain Colliers, my dad served as 1st mate and relief captain with Tom Collier who was captain on the Marlwood.
I knew Denis Tute he was a colleague of my dads and as recorded previously he died quite some time ago, I think it would have been in the 80's not long after my dad.
Yes I was aware of the two Captain Colliers, but as Martin made reference to the "AHL" ships ,I assumed he meant Jack Collier. The Marlwood(and excuse the pun) was a collier
Mention of the Marlwood reminded me of the discussion we (and Brian Sheppard) had about this vessel in 2006. My interest is that my dad (Joe Stewart)was ship's cook between 1951- 53 and I visited the ship as a young child. I would be interested if any of the more recent visitors of this site have any further memories of the Marlwood.
Marlwood I last went onboard her to see a shipmate from Goole
in 1954 she was discharging coal in Deptford Creek Woolwich.
She was built in 1924 named Fellside owners Connell and Grace
sold to Atkinson and Prickett in 1930 renamed Swandale
W France Fenwick bought her in 1938 renamed Marlwood
Broken up at Dunston 1957
My dad left the Marlwood in 1951 and was discharged from the Merchant Navy at his own request to become a Goole Pilot (Hull to Goole). He first joined the Marlwood on 12 March 1946 and served as 1st mate continuously till 9 June 1950. At this time the Marlwood went into dry dock at Sunderland. Dad sailed on the Bestwood for one trip before rejoining the Marlwood while she was in dry dock. At that time my mum brother and I spent a week on board in Sunderland. She sailed on 14 August 1950.
I have my fathers "Continuous Certificate of Discharge" which records all of his voyages from the Empire Leopard which he joined on 25 June 1941 to him leaving the Marlwood. I also have a record of his previous ships including Temple Pier joined May 35, the Yokefleet and the Thomas Walton in which he was torpedoed in Dec 1939, he then joined the Frances Dawson for 3 trips before the Empire Leopard. He later served on the Trevarian, the Winona, Seafisher and Helmwood.
If anyone has recollections or photographs of these boats I would be pleased to hear from them (I have photos of the Marlwood and the dry dock at Sunderland) .
I am particularly interested to find out what voyages these boats did in the war, he appears to have made one trip on the Trevorian from May 42 to Oct 43 and I know he was in Suez during this trip ( I have his original mShore Leave Pass dated 27 April 1943, I think she went to the far east but I have no proof.
Re Pedro account of the Marlwood and her previous name the Swandale. I have just been reading a press cutting re my great grandfather Captain Thompson Flower Depledge from the Goole Times at the occasion of his death in 1946. It recalls his career and remarkably the fact that he later in his career joined Messrs Atkinson & Prickett his last command being the Swandale. He was 68 when he retired in 1935, he died in March 1946 the month my father started on the then Marlwood.
You are right I was referring to Jack Collier who was also a Captian in the Wavy Navy - hence his commands flew a blue ensign - when the
Geoff. It is possible to find out what voyages these ships did in the war using the details in the Continuous Certificate of Discharge to access the relevant Ships Log Books and Crew Agreements. These are now kept at the National Archives (former Public Records Office) at Kew. It costs nothing to consult them now. When I researched my Dad's war history they were kept by a different department in Cardiff and they charged me a lot of money (more than £60) just to look at them.I think one of the reasons they are preserving these documents is so that they can verify any remaining requests for medals which former merchant seament are entitled to, my Dad did not claim his until 1984.
Jack Collier was commodore of AHL he was RNR and in possession of the government warrant and as such could fly the blue ensign.I sailed with him many times his uniform quite distinct from other officers with gold chain link braid around the hat and epelets.(and quite smart he looked)I myself was RNVR in the early 1950s but must admit thiis was mainly for the extra money a couple of weeks traning at Pompy a year with trawler men from Hull was just a jolley for a single guy.I had a lot of respect for captain Collier truly a gentlman.
Bill thanks for the info I am going to London next month and may be able to visit Kew
Geoff, ok good hunting. If you want me to check anything give me a shout. I live quite close to the National Archives and have a reader's ticket.
re Jack Collier RNVR - my father sailed around the Med in 1968 with Jack Collier when Ellerman's chartered the York - he recalled the inordinate interest the Russian/Israeli spy ships took in the York due to her Blue Ensign - my dad said Captain Collier was heavily involved in Operation Torch (invasion of North Africa) and planned much of the landings.
Pedro,Thanks for the info ref "The Three Brothers".No disrespects to your self Pedro because I feel I can give you a few years but it is heartening to occasionally find a like mind.One thing I can't stand is when talking to someone I'm suddenly aware that they are looking over my shoulder with a glazed look in their eye,surely I'm not that boring.
It is reassuring that the Binnacle Light still shines despite the occasional "Sea Fret" wafting accross.
I notice David Lea -Jackson refers to sea fret in his last post - but my dad and grandad always referred to a "sea rauk" - always thought a sea fret was a Brid word whilst sea rauk was a Humber word?
Sea Fret= damp sea mist cloudy us old timers :)
In Hull and out toward With/Spurn we say Sea Rauk - old Norse for the spume/mist thrown up by the sea - a classic Rauk is where is can be blue skies and sunny inland -yet at sea and up to a mile or so inland it is cold and misty. The point is I thought fret was a Bridlington/Scarborough/West Riding word as we certainly don't use it on the humber.
I've just been going over some of the old submissions and comments from earlier on in the year. Of particular interest to me were the ones concerning the latter day AHL ships, e.g. the Abbey (butter) boats and the other "newer" deisel fuelled ones.
Regarding the Fountains Abbey incident when she caught fire in the North Sea; I was on the Kirkham Abbey, homeward bound from Copenhagen, and although we picked up the ... _ _ _ ... we were too far away to be of any use. We were, I recall, kept up to date from the bridge, via various AB`s, of which I was one, coming and going to the wheel-house at hourly intervals. Consequently, we were aware of the "Abandon Ship" order by Captain Wooler. There were a couple of things that have not been mentioned in the postings so far: One was that two crew members unfortunately lost their lives whilst in the lifeboat; it being drawn under the stern rubbing band due to the heavy seas and crushed. Fortunately the rest of the crew were able to pull clear before further damage occurred. Too late, however, for the Bo's'n, who's nickname was 'Spike', and Gordon(?) Gillmartin, a Motorman, who both sustained fatal injuries. Also not mentioned was the fact that Captain Wooler was in the lifeboat urging the Second Mate to jump! He was still up on the bridge. Whatever happened to the Captain being the last to leave? He was then hailed as a hero when they were later picked up! Lose a ship, win a medal, go figure!
Finally, about the other AHL ships at the time that were named for Yorkshire towns. I sailed on the Darlington and Wakefield, (1959); York and Leeds, (1961/62). The others were the Wakefield, Selby and Harrogate. The latter being (re)named the Harrogati Maru by my old shipmate Nev (Spats) Suttcliffe, who I believe was on the Fountains Abbey on its last fateful trip. (Is he still kicking around?) These ships were all identifiable by the bridge and superstructure aft, and tripod mast between the two hatches. They were almost identical except for the York, which had 'goal-post' masts just forward of the bridge, and an extra pair of derricks. That's all for now folks, hope I didn't bore you too much.
Hi Gary sorry but Neville (the devil) Sutclffe crossed the bar some 8-10 years ago along with a few you may remember Pete Bulmer-Hughie Hughes-Harry Skinner-Bomber Robinson-Tommy Leighton-Lol Woolass and many more now remembered on the Lock Hill memorial.
Fred Wooler never commanded the respect paid to other old time skippers.
Regarding my posting of 26 Oct. I made a slight error in describing the AHL ships, Darlington; Leeds etc. They had 'bipod' masts and not 'tripod' as stated. Silly me!
On a more serious note, thanks Pedro for the general update. Sorry to hear about all the guys who have crossed the bar over the last few years. It seems like only yesterday that we were all doing the rounds on 'full-board day'.
Hi, I wonder if anyone has any ships that had a seaman or captain/master by the name of John Pool/Poole. John was born around 1835 England but we are not sure of the area. Captain John Pool was reported to have fallen over board from 'FLOWN' and was feared drowned by his employers Freear & Dix of Sunderland. I have a copy of the telegram sent to my great great grandmother dated 21st April 1898 of the coast of Bridport. Anyone having any information can contact me at email@example.com Many Thanks in anticipation.
All you ex AHL blokes out their - can you tell me the name of the Chief Steward of the Wakefield in 1968/69 - I sailed as young kid on the Melrose Abbey, Leeds, Wakefield, Whitby Abbey and Darlington in the late 60's early 70's - I am eternaly grateful as he cured me of sea sickness - bacon banjo and brown source - was he called Hawksworth I think and was the spitting image of Charlie Drake.
Has anyone got any information about S.S. Gwynwood which was sunk by Parachute Mine on 4.2.41 whilst at anchorage on the Humber? Any information much appreciated. My father-in-law's brother was killed in the incident.
Built 1937, 1177grt by S.P.Austin, Sunderland (344) for Wm. France, Fenwick. Damaged by bombing in the Barrow Deep 26/1/1941. Sunk by a mine in the Humber anchorage on 4/2/1941
Photos will be rare but have a partial view of her loading coal at Goole, e-mail me for a copy firstname.lastname@example.org
Many thanks for the reply. I am very interested in Gwynwood. My wife's uncle who came from Sunderland was killed when it was struck by Parachute Mine in the Humber. Details however appear to be limited. A picture would be fabulous as the family doesn't possess one. I'm also wondering if it is possible to get co-ordinates of where she was sunk? We we would love to visit with my father in law who has always wanted to visit the site where his brother was killed. Are there any other sources that you are aware of where I may be able to ascertain any other further details? I am so grateful for your reply and assistance. Thank you very much.
looking for information on a ship called MV Dundee from Dundee Scotland around years 1960/ 1963 looking a crew member for family records anyone that sailed on that ship please contact me roxanne mcdonald
Does anyine remember Harker's barge the "Margery H"?
In the 1950s it was often moored in Barge dock near Laing's sugar refinery. It had a brass plate on its stern rail saying that it had taken part in the Dunkirk evacuation, found at the end of the war in a damaged condition, repaired and restored to its owners. Often wondered what happened to it, or if it was scrapped, was the brass plate saved?
I've inquired at the Waterways museum and they knew nothing of it.
Also what happened to the 4 masted barque "Archibald Russell" which was moored in West dock throughout the war?
Glynne - Click on the Archive link at the top of the page and scroll down to 26/08/2007 for some comments about the ARCHIBALD RUSSELL
My Great Uncle, Mr Alex Flett was the master of the Sandringham Queen cargo ship for many years, has anyone out there got any photos information etc on this ship.
Sandringham Queen go to Goole shipyard info top right of page
Goole Built all the info you need
I am trying to trace a photo of the SS Edlington that was sunk of 70 miles off Sicily on the 23rd September 1918. She was torpedoed by a German submarine UC54 - Captain Otto Loycke. Fortunately the crew were all saved including my Grandfather Alexander McLoram from Hull, who died before I was born.
Welcome Home Pedro!! Hope you had a good holiday cheers H
Thanks Hamish good to be back but not enjoying Goole weather.
Altho some of the old salts here now enjoying the rum of Barbados.Regards to all in Canada
Ref,FAXFLEET,1951.My wifes dad,Herbert Christie Marshall,A.K.A. "Slippy Marshall" sailed on the FAXFLEET and whilst moored at Terneuzen he fell from the gang plank and was killed.We think he was buried in Flushing.Could there be any more information or memories out there?
Hi Alan I remember the accident I had just joined the Irwell.I have no real info at present but put out a few feelers.Hopefully will come up with something.Altho my brother and I seem to think the grave is actually in Terneuzen village.I have your E-Mail will be in touch.
Does anyone remember Frank Schultz sailing out of Goole he was an AB on the Monkwood, Tudor Queen, Cold Harbour, Corglen, Fawdon, Dona Flora, Irwell, Dearne, Don, Hebble, Fountains Abbey, SS Selby, Whitby Abbey, Macclesfield, Poole Sound and Poole River before going to Port Line in 1962 then Esso in 1967
This is a very interesting site!
Has anyone got, or can point me to, information concerning a relative - John Drury - captain of the Mark Phar of Goole in 1871. Any information of the vessel itself would also be most welcome. She had a crew of 4 or 5.
Greetings Transportman! Your buddy Frank didn't miss too many of the "Lanky" boats, but it is a pity you don't have any dates for his time on them, I was on three, the "Don' included, a great little ship even if the company left a little to be desired, the only Schultz I sailed with was either a bosun or on the dock crew for AHL
For Paul Scott
I have a note of a sailing vessel MARK THAT built at Goole in 1853, 119 tons, owned in 1862 by Drury & Co.
This is I think from an extract of the Goole Register held at the Waterways Museum.
Could be the vessel you seek?
Hi Hamish, The "Lanky" boats Frank sailed on were:- Irwell 8.8.1949 to 6.8.1953; Dearne 7.8.1953 to 18.8 1953; Don 11.9.1953 to 23.9.1953;Hebble 25.9.1953 to 4.10.1954; Fountains Abbey 13.10.1954 to 13.1.1955; SS Selby 13.1.1955 to 17.6.1955; Aire 2.8.1955 to 8.8.1955; back on the Selby 15.8.1955 to 24.4 1956; Whitby Abbey 24.4 1956 to 18.10.1956; Selby again 24.10.1956 to 15.1.1957; Don Goole to Hull 16.1.1957;back on the Selby 28.1.1957 to 9.7.1957; Macclesfield 10.7.1957 to 18.7.1957 and Hebble 25.7.1957 to 6.8.1957.
Transportman, missed your buddy by about a month on the "Don" I was on her for the month of July 53 and the "Aire"I missed by about a year I was on her from Feb till July 56, in fact she was my next to last ship before emegrating to Canada, I sailed on the "Polden" for about a year after the "Aire". The other AHL I was on was the "Blyth" for Sept Oct 52
Back in 2008 Hamish mentioned MV Blisworth, previously Kathleen, subsequently Holdernidd and we have now found another MV Blisworth built Aberdeen 1957/8 for Grand Union [Shipping] Ltd. London.
Can anyone tell us their fate,are there more Blisworth's and why name a ship after Blisworth, a small Northamptonshire village miles from the sea whose only water connection is the Grand Union canal.
Hi Hamish, I see from one of your postings that you relocated to Canada sometime in the late fifties. Albeit a bit before I did. I didn`t emigrate until 1981, thanks to Maggie Thatcher, but that`s another story.
Where abouts did you finish up? I have lived in Cambridge, Ontario since moving here. If you have a mind to, drop me an e-mail (email@example.com) as long as you don't try to sell me anything, or tell me I am the lucky winner of 50,000,000 British pounds in the Nigerian State Lottery or something! Only kidding of course.
Same goes for anyone else who happens to read this submission. Always glad to hear from any of the old Goole crowd from that era.
With the economic situation being what it is I can only say that once again those who lead our country whilst they may have studied history they hav'nt learned from it.A classic case was my father.According to what my mother told me,during the 30's my dad who by that time had obtained his M/Cert,deep sea was laid off by Andrew Weir(Bank Line) and in order to earn a living took a job on Goole docks heaving coal as to how long he did it for I have no idea sufficient to say it was fortunate that his father in law Joseph Lea was able to offer him a posting as his 1st Mate on the LOWLAND. I know he did several trips to Holland,Delfzijl and Harlingen but eventually my dad left the LOWLAND to take command of the COMLIEBANK.
This is history but those of us who are "FOSSILS" this is repetition at its worst.
I have a discharge book R259227 Thomas Gibbons ( my maternal grandfather) first entry "Ouse" Goole 8.8.1940, vessel sunk by enemy action. Further info would be interesting, thanks
Looks Like the "Comliebank" survived the war at least, built 1924 and in the Bankline fleet till 1959
I'm looking for info on the Fountains Abbey It was one of my dad's (also called Bill Ligg) old ships. Dad's now in his early 70s. He sailed out of Goole where he still lives
Hamish,Looks like my dad drew the short straw,on leaving the Comliebank he went to the Cederbank and within a few months of the war starting she went down.I for one am a great fatalist.
Bill,I noted your thread ref your dad.It was the surname that interested me.My maternal grandmother was a Ligg,she came from a small village in north Lincs called Garthorpe on the Isle of Axholme.
Hi David . My grans maden name was ligg when dad was born she later married harold cawthorne [winky] and the rest i dont know
Bill Ligg scroll down the page all the info posted previously on Fountains Abbey
Dave been in touch with dad .his granys madern name was Cook she married a BILL SAXLBY FROM SAXLBY in lincs .He was a boat man .But dosnt know where ligg came in to it . I hope this is of help THANKS
Please can anyone tell me what happened to the SS Rother in 1943. A cousin of my grandmothers called George Arthur Osburn was lost at sea on April 28th 1943. There is a memorial to him on the site of the Commonwealth War Graves yet the Rother still seemed to be around in 1956.
Ahoy Pedro!! Any updates on "the Cannon" or the"Guy"regards H
Hi Hamish nothing heard from George believe hes still under his wifes thumb she wont let him interact with us common seamen lol.The Guy still hanging in there but housebound and not to well.Regards to all in Canada
SS Rother built 1914 scrapped 1956
Thanks for that Pedro!! What ails the "Guy" his past catching up, or just old age?Never sailed with him, but I bet he would have been a great shipmate!!Give him my regards if you do run into him,and if he is vague as to who I am, tell him to look at his fingers regards H
Any information please on Elmit Cook 1st. officer SS Frankfort 1901 Later Master. Also his father John. Ships and shipping lines sailed on. Thankyou.
to pedro .read the piece on fountains abby ,but it does not say what happened to her or were she ended up. all i have found out is she caught fire some time in the 1950s , and thats all thanks
Billy Ligg Fountains Abbey caught fire at sea 12th Feb 1962.Ships master F.Wooler from Hull ship abondend total loss.
Broken up at Bruges the following month March.
to pedro thanks for the info. will pass on to dad
Regarding Billy Ligg`s query about the MV Fountains Abbey and her subsequent fate: As previously stated, she was abandoned in the North Sea after fire broke out in the forward hold, starboard side. I believe it was due to a combination of bad loading and negligence. Apparently barrels of gun cotton broke free and mixed with other cargo components, causing a chemical reaction which resulted in the ensuing inferno.
After she was abandoned, she floated freely until the fire eventually burned itself out. She was then boarded by a crew of Dutch salvage experts who towed her into Rotterdam, and spent the next few days whooping it up on the spoils. Meanwhile, fearless Fred (Wooler), having lost a ship and two crew members, revelled in his new found glory, whilst his wife Flo polished his medal for him. I do not recall any heads rolling over this incident, although it was quite an issue at the time. it Kinda makes you wonder, does it not?
Hope this clears up a few points for you Billy, I`m sure that there are still a few folks in town who could elaborate further if they were asked, but maybe they would just as soon let sleeping dogs lie!
to gw that helps me loads . it closes a gap ive been trying to close for some time now.Thanks alot
Can anyone give any information (crew lists or anything) about 2 ships my grandfather John William Hughes sailed on from Goole
1) SS Berlin (Off. No. 98383) joined 6/1/1905.
2)SS Douglas (Off. No. 122958) joined 9/4/1907.
Also anyone familiar with Certificate of Discharge books. JWH's address is given on the last page of the book (Page heading Notice to Seamen). Would this be the address he had when he first signed on? And is it possible to find where the discarge book was issued?
Grateful for any help.
Hi, just been looking at site with my dad Eric Hill. He worked at the shipyard and sailed on the Don(1949), Elizabeth Lysard, Sylvia Beale, William Cash and the Barford. He recalls some of the names that have been putting messages on site, including Pedro, (is this a nickname?) and Corby Bunting. Does anyone know my dad? Would like to hear. Please put any info on this site.
Hi Kerry. I don't know where your dad knew me from. I didn't work at the shipyard and also did not go to sea. He'll probably know Pedro from his days at sea. I went to the Alex and Modern School. Left school in 1949. I lived in Stanley St. and Malvern Rd. Ask him. Bye
Great page I like the web site on Cragg's / Goole Shipbuilding and Repairing Company Limited.
I have some interest in Goole:
My Father worked for the British Channel Island Shipping Company Limited (BCIS) and he was many times to Goole (for survey and repair).
I would like to ask where the dry dock was? I remember (1961/1962) it had a river flowing past it and there was a lock alongside, a Guernsey registers steamship was in the lock, (that's from memory).
I know that Cragg had shares in the London and Channel Island Shipping Company, so the link might be historic.
I'm writing a history on BCIS so any info would be good news.
I also was in the Royal Naval Reserve and HMS Sandpiper was built in Goole (1976 ish).
One question I would like to ask about is the war activities of the Estonian steamship Kodumaa. When did she start to trade coal from Goole?
Lloyds has her 'seen' sailing from Goole to London with coal. (I only recorded September 1941 to December 1941 from the Lloyd's record cards - I must, one day, look into the earlier cards), till sunk on the 26th September 1942 outside Goole.
My father was serving on her till March 1942, but I do not know when he joined her.
One of the BCIS Senior Master was Captain George Colverson, born must of left his mark here at Goole?
George was born at Knottingley 1885, following his Father's footsteps in a career at sea. Passing his Master's ticket in 1910.
He joined BCIS in 1925 and retired in 1953. Soon after he moving back from Sidcup, London to Hull. He died in Hull on the 21st September 1963, at the age of 81.
hi corby,my dad tells me everybody knew everybody in goole.he was born in goole,1934,lived at alexander street, then broadway.he also lived above booth's cobblers.he went to same schools and left at same time as you, he mentioned george dales,colin hudson and gordon perrett.some other memories of the area he lived in are alan,audrey and jack bedford,a shop on stanley street,wally hill who had burlington pub.he also recalls taking money to mrs sandersons savings club,annie sherburns shop,a man with one leg nickname hooker giles,also a shop that sold mussels near alexander st. school.his uncles were reg,percy,helier,herbert and des darragh,mums name ida hill.my dads nickname to his mates was ginks or ginksy.he asks do you know pedro and is this his full name.if you recall any of this just post more if you would.thanks .
Hi Kerry. Youv'e certainly opened the deep corners of my brain with that little lot.Your dad and I trod the same ground and probably the same friends. My main friends being Alan Bedford and Alan Fielder but never at the same time for it would have been a major clash of personalities. Alan Fielder was always so laid back whilst the other was not.Alan fielder , Des and Eddie Binnington all went to sea on leaving school. Sadly they have now all passed on. A few more memories for your Dad. Behind the Burlington where Barnard's Stables and Peachy Gott's pig styes We were told to give the pigs coal to eat for it was good foe them. Which we did.I kept my pigeons in Alan Fielders loft which gave me a chance to see is lovely sister Nancy. I also think Mrs. Girling lived near you. she was the lady who laid people out and made them look nice prior to burial. Pedro is a pen name so I cannot give his identity . But your dad will know him
Hi Kerry why not visit the Goole Action Group website/social history maybe your dad could put names to a few faces on the Burlington pub trip.I do know your dad and hope he and all your family are bearing up after losing your mum.She was a very good friend to my late wife who originated from poets corner.Byron St to be exact.
Corby Alan the Ace Fielder modelled himself on Clark Gable we bought our black barathea suits at Burtons after returning(big time from deep sea.Alas Alan Bedfords demise was a shock to us all also Cliff Andrews from Old Goole killed and buried out in the caribbean also comes to mind.
Ahoy Pedro! Had Cliff Andrews demise anything to do with a palm tree, and was he AB on the "Don" prior to sailing to the Caribbean?
Glynne, try www.nationalarchives.gov.uk if you have his discharge book # it would help, good luck
Hi Hamish yes same guy I can't remember the ship methinks it was a banana boat. Times of change the Islands are now importing fruit from South America (by air of course)
Pedro.I knew Alan Fielder many years .But the thought that lingers the most was the day my mother passed away. I went round and told him. His reply in all innocence was." you'll be able to come to my Christmas Party now" Meaning the Christmas parties put on by the Rotary Club for Orphans and one parent children. We were 8 at the time. Another thought, who would have forseen all those years ago that my two best friends would become related by the marriages of an uncle of one to the niece of the other. Also,Jack Bedford taken for granted for he was always around. I have learned things recently that he never never got the recognition he deserved
Pedro! I took his berth in the "Don" and also some other welcome "surprises" my first trip to Copenhagen!!
Hi corby, hamish, pedro& gang. My dad was born in byron street,and sailed out of goole for many years,sadly he died 20 years ago. He was known as poppy lofthouse. He had two brothers alan & harry who were both at sea too.
Tom you will have to give a little more detail on your Dad, ships,rank(position), and time frame of seatime, I did sail with a Lofthouse but my memory tells me he came from Hull and was an ex trawlerman, I was sailing out of Goole in the early fifties, about the same time as your dad?
Hi Corby and Pedro, I've been getting my dad to rack his brains and reminisce about his past - he came up with the following, He left school in 1949 and joined the SS Don in July with Alan Fielder. He has also mentioned some other mutual friends you may remember Jackie Kennedy(Good friends of my dads uncle Des Darragh),Darky Pratt, Stan Ford, Ken Thomson, Alan Wheldrake, Carl Bestwick (better known as the Beast!)Luke Cain - who liked a good fight when drunk!., Percy Cross, Dick Cawthhorne and Wiggy Porter(SS Don). He knew a lot of them from either at Sea or working on the docks. He remebers Alan Fielders loft well.
Pedro he has had a look at the photo you suggested and remembers some of the faces - Somebody Ward, Middle with no hat - related to Alan Dixon, Top Right - Jeff Vinces dad He is racking is brains regarding your late wife and my mum - were they school friends - my mum was born in wetherill street. Do any of you ever get together in Goole to talk about old times?
Corby - just one last thing - Does the name Fred Cooper ring a bell? Hope to hear from you all. Thanks
Hi Hamish - My dad seems to think Cliff Andrews fell out of a tree and broke his neck. My dad Eric Hill also sailed on the Don (in 1949) - did you know him? cheers.
I sailed with most of the names you posted Kerry. Sadly I think Stan Ford is the only one who is with us. Ken Thompson sadly finished with engines (passed away last week). We converse mostly on this website as Hamish for instance now lives in Canada. When I'm in town I drink with Stan on occassions in the Crescent Club. Billy Guy used to visit but I hear he's now unwell.
Knobby Clark is a regular your dad knows him.
Kerry, that is the story I heard about Cliff Andrews, I only met him once, had a beer with him, and a host of others, in Melodies, and shortly after that I heard of his "accident" My sojourn on the "Don" was in June -July of 1953, so if your Dad was on her then? The trouble with most MN sites, and looking for old shipmates, is we never did get to know any one's full names (if we did we soon forgot it) we were "labelled" with a Nickname soon after joining, mine was "Mac" (for obvious reasons) when I sailed out of Goole, but if I joined a London crewed ship then I became "Yorkie" and I am sure others on this site will agree with me, and the lack of recall to "Full" names.
On your post you mention a "Darky" Pratt, was his first name Fred and was he a football enthusiast? I recall a fellow on the "Don" who badgered us into joining the ships soccer team, and arranging all kinds of matches in Copenhagen, against local teams (way out of our league) but that's another story.
Hi Kerry. Here we go again. I hope this is not taxing dads brain too much. I well remember Alan joing The Don and I know his starting wage was £1/10s a week. I started my apprenticeship for 17/6 a week So Alan instantly became a rich man in my books. Alan and Ron Wheldrake out of Estcourt St. were also good friends of ours. Freddie Cooper the boy I thought I had killed! I was bought a "Daisy" air rifle but my dad would not let me use pellets. So I used to go out with shooting matchsticks. I called on Freddie three doors down. Knocked on the door. Instead of opening the door. Freddie decided to peep through the letter box. Directly in line with my loaded rifle. You've guessed it. I pulled the trigger. You can imagine the confusion. The matchstick impaled between the lid and the brow of his eye. The matchstick was pulled Although it bled it soon healed. My rifle was confiscated. Another lesson learned. I knew Les Pratt from Limetree
Hamish, my dad thinks it was Freddy Bennison who you are thinking of, who liked to play football. He can't remeber Darky's first name but is sure it's not Fred. My dad also asks if you lived in old goole at one time and did you use to shout "don ginnings" when you had had a few drinks! as he knew a Hamish who did. He tells me that he was on the port frederique in 1953 so you may not have sailed together
Les Pratt (darkie) his first ship he joined the Yokefleet as Galley boy. His younger brother Brian also went to sea along with (a few more names) Maurice Taun - Denis Mccone - Ray West - Tommy Leighton - Ron Snead the list goes on. Fred Benison was fireman along with Eli Taun - Tommy Hoyle - Tommy Halselquist - Jack Smithson. Bumper Woodhead Bumper Callaghan - Most of the firemen came out of the Royal Navy after the war along with a few ABs And boy did they cause some battles on the Hamburg Bremen run ashore pointless telling these guys the war is over.
Ahoy Kerry and Pedro, boy you sure have a good memory for names Pedro, I have trouble remembering my own at times (depends on the single malt) And Kerry ,yes it was Fred Bennison I was thinking of, he was as Pedro states a fireman on the "Don". Seems to me he ran into trouble with the opposite sex, too many "wifes"(and kids) I believe. And no your Dad has the "wrong" Hamish,I lived in Leeds for most of my life, moved to England from Scotland in the late 30's then to Canada in 57, but I will admit I am guilty of some crazy things ashore in Goole, take care H
Just reading some of the latest postings and loving them! Let's start with Kerry Hill's,starting with her reference to her dad, Eric.
Is he perchance the father of brothers Tim and Eric (jr). Nice guys both, but if memory serves, Tim went all "Junior Chamber" on us, while Eric stayed with the regular guys. I do recall that he worked in the shipyard.
Kerry's reference to her uncles Reg and Percy brings back happy memories. Percy had the Burlington Hotel for the longest time, and upon his retirement, Reg took it over if memory serves.
Other names also bring back happy memories. Alan (Ace) Fielder
was a steward on the Byland Abbey when I first joined her in 1959, which is when I got to know most of the other guys mentioned on this site. Me being an import from the other side of Donny. Eddie Binnington and Darkie Pratt are among my most memorable, although by this time they were both dockers. Darkie's brother, Ginner, was still at sea at this time, but both he and Darkie were among my list of good guys.
That's not to say that they were the only ones. There were so many!
Also mentioned were Stan Ford who, if I recall correctly, married Molly Ellis. Funny how these names come to mind after so long. Ken Thomson is another one. I did my last deep sea trip with Ken on the RMS Escalante, with another wannabe Goolie, Larry Crowley, originally from Manchester. Good guys.
Sorry to hear about Ken's passing by the way!
Other names mentioned were Maurice Taun, who was also a steward on the Byland Abbey, but also a workmate at Drax Power Station before Maggie Thatcher screwed things up.
Dennis McCone is another former shipmate from the Kirkham Abbey (anybody remember Billy Carr, the bo's'n?). Tommy Leighton is another former shipmate who has crossed the bar. My, how time flies.
Hello There i have a ticket from the oronsay from 1925 which left from tilbury to australia and i was wondering if any one knows any information about the ship or any one who sailed on this ship.
Many thanks x
( firstname.lastname@example.org )
hi transportman, i sailed with frankie shultz in the irwell(i was deck lad at the time) he was a good seaman and friend, other deck crew i remember were fred raddings billy holmes harry skinner and steve longhorn, crabbie was skipper and i remember him sending me up the funnel to chip the wartime paint then polish it, he said it sounded better ? can also tell peter hill the old harrogate was similar to the old selby and used to run with macclesfield from riverside quay. bye for now
hi transportman, i think i made it look as if i'd had to chip the funnel though i suppose you'd realised i meant the whistle, cheers
Although I realise that your submission was not intended for me, I feel I must respond, as I crossed paths with some of the guys you mentioned, albeit not in the same time period. Fred Raddings I remember well, although when I knew him, he was on the AHL shore gang, me being a new and not yet tested Goolie.
The Byland Abbey was my initiation. I was a friend of Fred`s sons, Cliff, unfortunately deceased, and Eric, who I understand is still kicking arse in political circles locally. Harry Skinner is another of my former shipmates who have since crossed the bar.
The Steyning comes to mind.
The other names you quoted seem familiar, but I can`t be certain. I do recall, however, one of the Krebbs clan making an inroad into showbiz, Les, I believe his name was, and he used to do a lot of Hank Williams stuff. He was good. Whatever became of him? Hope to hear from you soon.
looking for any information on a fishing vessel commisioned in ww1 as a mine sweeper my grandads occupation on my mothers birth certificate is down as deckhand on mine sweeper hercules fishing vessel my grand father was thoms pardon and lived in north shields north tynside
You mention a Steve Longhorn, would you know if he made the dizzy heights of Bosun on the "Blyth"?or do I have the wrong Steve, the one I remember was a very dour gent who would not crack a smile even if his grannies ass was on fire, and I believe he finished his days on the AHL shore gang, take care H
I thought you meant whistle. Are you any relation to Mac, Rex, Paula etc?
hi transportman, yeah you got the right family, i am the eldest, going back to the whistle, if i remeber rightly when soogeing the funnel we sort of rigged ourselves up with a bosons chair with length of rope knotted in it, a butchers meat hook and abseilled down the funnel with a bucket soapy lashed to chair, speak with you again (by the way do i know you seeing as you know us?) transportman
hi hamish, you got the right steve longhorn, i don't think i've ever met a man as miserable as he was, i do know he had a step brother who was a mate perhaps he didn't get on very well with the mix.speak with you again hamish,cheers
When I sailed with Harry Skinner, he was bosun of the Hodder in the late 40s. I think Goole Steam Shipping managed AHL. The butter boats Don Dearne Rother did not have AHL on the funnels and did not fly an AHL houseflag. They flew British Waterways flag. So to me that part of AHL must have been state owned. I think the rest was owned by Ellermans
hi ,before i start i would just like to say what a brilliant site this is.i wonder if anyone can help me,im doing the usual rounds of tracing family members and ive discovered that im related to a ships captain by the name of george may who sailed on the dearne,also my grandmother was a steward (esther e cragg)on the dearne too,they were married until ive been informed he died of cancer,she then married my grandfather who was the ships cook(thomas pursglove) i am looking for photos etc and if its possible would i be able to get crew lists from 1900 to 1915,i have a photo of the crew with all three people ive mentioned but havent got a clue from what year , thank you
cheers for the web address mate pointing to the dearne picture. is it possible to get crew lists from somewhere from 1909 to 1914
Hi Barry, I remember Paula from school, she was in the year above me. Rex`s back gate and ours were opposite each other he used to have a maroon Mk II Zephyr or Zodiac and Mac lived across the road from us in the next block. A genius with electronics, I remember he made a radiogram with lights that flashed in time with the beat, something unheard of in those days and Frank was my uncle.
My Grandfather worked on vessels out of Grimsby and I believe
Goole where he was born in 1880. I am trying to trace any
record of him. He was called John William Handford and had
brother Isaac and sister Eliza. I have traced him to Middlesbrough Workhouse until he was 11 and for next 10 years
can find nothing. Would like to know if he stayed in Goole and where.
Hi Gary, sorry I've been a while getting back to you, yes Les was into the music stuff he did quite a bit of skiffle as well as c&w, I'm wondering if you've maybe heard of our Rex he's into C&W in big way in fact he still plays at the Bentley club among other places. Its a long time since I saw Eric Raddings but I see their sister quite regularly in Tesco's. All though I've been ashore for over fifty years I still have an affinity with the sea and ships particularly those that were there when I was, I'm afraid I was only coasting though. speak to you again sometime Gary.
Stuart,Pedro and George,
One of the few benefits of AGE is the fact that you can surf all day long without getting wet.It was on such a day some little time ago that I pumped in my grandfathers name,adding Horncastle,Lincolnshire.What came up really took the wind out of my sails,for a short time at least.Set out is what came up.
Joseph Lea Snr was the master of SS ROBIN and Joseph Lea Jnr was a 14yrs old rating on the same ship in 1890.The ROBIN is still afloat after all these years and is owned by a preservation society who now need help.The ROBIN was for some time berthed at West India Dock but is now in dry dock at Felixstowe undergoing restoration and this why I thought I would let you know of my discovery.The society are in need of a rivitter(spelling way out) and I thought of Goole and its history but am also too aware that welding took over and as such the likelyhood of there being someone around and active is extremely remote but I thaught I'd give it a shot.
As my ancestors are part of the ships history you will appreciate that I have got my self involved,but not out of my depth and hope to be in a position in the not too distant future to be come totally immersed in what has become very close to my heart.Therefore,if you know of anybody out there"andy wiv an ammer" please let me know.
well I do know for a fact (in the Goole area)with the demise of riveters and caulkers losing out to welding,most of the younger guys in this trade did in fact take up welding and after the closure of Goole Shipyard were mostly employed on the local power stations.Sadly most are no longer with us.Having said that though the Water ways Museum at Goole carried out a lot of refurbishment work by volunteers so maybe there are still some around.
For those who made a comment about the Yew Valley - the sailor was Jack Brocklesby, my great uncle and cousin to my dad, Harry Mongon, who still lives in Goole
re Goole Shipbuilding and Repairing Co. Ltd
My dad was a manager at Goole, and I have some photo's of the ships being built, and lauched at Goole and Selby.
Pedro my friend,
Just a line to bring you upto speed.I made contact as you suggested with the Waterways Museum and last week they came back to me and lo and behold they have the same problem,ie;sorting a Tom Pudding out.It has been suggested that a blacksmith might be the answer,we will see.
Once again many thanks,
Good evening. My father, Roy Bond, served on a number of ships during WWII and I have been trying to assemble a list of the ships including the ships badges. I am having a great deal of difficulty in finding the badge for the HMCS Long Branch as the badge was apparently an unofficial one. If anyone would happen to have any pertinent information it would be greatly appreciated.
Pedro,Stuart and all those with an interest in the sea and shipping.
I was recently reading the book review section in our local rag and I came accross a book that interested me so much that I ordered a copy straight away.On receiving it I've hardly been able to put it down.
The book is titled Coastal Convoys 1939-1945 (The indestructable highway) the author is Nick Hewitt,publisher Pen&Sword Maritime,priced at about £20.not bad as prices go for what I found to be a most enthralling read. In describing some of the Masters and the men who manned the coasters during a particular dark period of the last war I recognised certain traits that my Grand Father Joseph Lea had,for example he never wore a uniform,always a navy blue three piece suit complete with watch and fob and the ever present trilby hat.When it came to seamanship they were and still are in a class of their own,for example whilst charts were readily available many preferred to rely on their expearience and the sixth sense developed over many years.I well remember my G/F telling me of how with his eye he was able to judge depths,currents and anticipated weather conditions,this was not a gift but something that had been honed over many years at sea.
Before closing this epistle I would mention that the reason for this book being included for review in our local paper is that we are only some twelve miles or so from Southend which as you know,positioned in the Estuary played an important part in the routing of convoys leaving for destinations North and South.
Take caremy friends,
David read the review online whet the appetite ordered it on amazon £13.99 postage free.
I sailed with a few skippers whose standard uniform was a three piece suit not all coasting.Captain Fisher from Yarmouth master of the Merchant Prince a tramp steamer suit trilby and turtle kneck sweater was his favourite garb.
hi kerry, i knew your dad but only as ginksy, i'm '34 person too but i was born in hull, we were bombed out four or five times before we came to goole in 41, when i was 11 i went from old goole school to modern school and thats where i knew your dad,tell me does he still have all that long wavy hair or has it waved cheerio like mine ho ho
Hi Barry Krebs. I can definately put a face to that name. I believe you, like me, Alan Gledhill and Kenny Elliot we all were followers of the jazz scene which came to the baths. Ken Colyer was my favourite with his line up which included Chris Barber, Monty Sunshine and Lonny Donegan. who all went on to better things. I still have a few 78's but daren't play them anymore. Good times
Anyone with the sea in their blood would have thrilled to the sight which I witnessed yesterday. My wife had gone across to to Southamptonon via the ferry to meet up for a days shopping. Because it was Derby day, I opted out. She rang at 5pm to say she was leaving so I could meet her in. On arriving at the pier in Hythe I was met with this amazing sight. The Aurora, the Independance of the Seas and the Queen Mary 2 had chosen at that moment to leave en bloc, in line astern. What a sight. The diminutive little ferry of which I was waiting chose it's moment to dash across between the last two. It's just a thought, but in the midst of a recession , for some, life goes on
Hi to Jeff Bond;
I read your submission regarding HMCS Long Branch.
As a member of the Royal Candian Legion and the South Waterloo Naval Association, I would like to offer whatever help I can regarding your quest.
What type of vessel was Long Branch?
Is this the proper name, or is it a nickname given, for whatever reason?
I will ask around: Many of my associates are WWII vets. Many of them ex-pats.
Hope to hear from you guys soon.
Ahoy to Jeff Bond again. More on HMCS Long Branch:-
Formerly HMS Candytuff.
Did convoy escort duty during the war, between Halifax, NS and Ireland.
Lots more details on Wikipedia. Just Google or Yahoo 'HMCS Long Branch'.
All the best.
Ahoy Pedro!! You are not paying "due diligence"to the health of my buddy Billy "the" Guy, not had any updates lately, I take it you have not seen him on your rounds. Take care H
Hi Hamish asked about him today hes still hanging in there.But doesnt get out.As for me leaving for warmer climes next month take care P
Pedro! Wot ?Run out of rum already? You should not be so generous with those Goolies! Take care and have a safe tripH
Ahoy Pedro ! Forgot to mention I am leaving for Minnesota on Monday,(driving) I have an aunt I visit in Virginia(just north of Duluth)and I just might, if the gas gods are generous, carry on to Toronto and visit the daughter and son in law, but again that depends on the "petrol"bill.Minnesota is not known for its "good" rum ,maybe cheaper beer tho,take care H
Have fun Hamish safe driving prices could be worse you could be paying uk prices £1.15 per litre expected rise next week
My ggggrandfather was Thomas Mawson of Brunswick terrace Leeds, he was born 1785 and died 1838.
He was the agent and manager of the Leeds Liverpool canal co,in his will he mentions his boat "Mary" worked from leeds to Hull I think.
the Master was Amos Crawshaw can anyone give me more information please?
My Gt grandfather William Henry PENLIGEN (1849-1901), born Dartmouth, but lived and sailed from Hull for Bailey and Leatham (late 1860's til his death in 1901), was master of the SS China. Any info would be great. KiwiJane
For many years I have had a a framed photograph of the S.S.Don. Only today I have discovered it was one of the Goole Steam Shipping Company's boats.
The Youtube vid of it leaving Goole was fascinating. I was always told my paternal grandfather - Capt.W.M. Dixon, a Lincoln man, b. 1870, d. 1934 - was skipper of this vessel.
He also sailed with the Anchor Line and the White Star Line, but I don't have any dates.
Does anyone have info. on crews?
Hi can any one tell me the crew list of SS COTTINGHAM when she sank in 1915 off lundy
Ahoy John! Just so you don't get the feeling you are being ignored, I did a short sojourn on the"Don" about four trips in the early fifties, she and her "Buddy" ship the "Dearne" were known as the "Butter Boats" running to Copenhagen week about from Goole, one weekend in Denmark and the next weekend back home, thats why I left her, too much strain on the budget, not enough time at sea, and the nightlife (in them days) was just too hard to keep up with, and I was a young guy then! They also had a football team which had a few scheduled matches in Copenhagen, can you imagine trying to put an honest 90 minutes in running around a football pitch ,after a visit to Tuborg brewery?
My grandfather Harry Denis Carlton was on the convoy OG71. He was picked up by the Empire Oak after his ship the Alva went down. He was then picked up by the HMS Zinnia and then transferred to HMS Boreas. But cannot find any information regarding the Zinnia anywhere picking up survivers from the Empire Oak. He survived and lived to a grand old age of 87. Any idea where i can find more info on this subject? thanks
Can any one help please,my grandfather HENRY JAMES FELTHAM went to sea around 1890 to 1930 but I cant find out anything about him.he said he went on a rescue mission to one of the poles when an expedition got trapped and Ithink he finished up in Hull.where can I find any records about him
Howard i have been researching the Empire oak as my grandfather was a survivor... if u like check out the Mercantilemarine.org there are a few forums discussing this convoy.
Ref my thread dated 20/04/09.I recently spent a dday in Lowestoft where I was able to have a look at the ROBIN and meet some of the people involved in her restoration.
During the time spent with them I learned from them that they were having trouble locating crew lists for the ship which started life in 1890.Have you,or anyone looking in,any idea's as to who to contact.
One other query.She was a coal burner yet there does'nt appear tobe any provision for coal bunkerage.I'll accept she's very small,just over 300tn but the fuel must have been stored somewhere.
Have a think and come back to me sometime.
Hello out there..........Can anyone help me with my "Memory Trip"
I sailed from Goole on board the "Gwynwood" France Fenwick CO
coaster.under Capt Collier.in 1957/58. Is there anyone who has any photos of the "Gwynwood" that will help me make a scale model of the ship. and present it to the Heritage Museum when finished. I would be gratefull for any help.and can meet any costs involved. Thanking you in anticipation Baz
Hi Barry - look on www.shipspotting.com for a picture of the Gwynwood. The captain Collier would be Tom collier my Great uncle, his father ( my great grandfather ) Capt Joseph William Collier was the captain of the first Gwynwood
My Great Uncle was Michael Kavanagh who died on the Empire Oak. Family legend has it that he was on the SS Aguila with his brother which Michael survived and was picked up by Empire Oak. Unfortunatelyhe didn't survive this second torpedo attack. Pedro, you mentioned above that Michael Dennis Kavanagh was known as distressed seaman - would this be because of the rescue from the Aguila or is there another reason? It may be that he was never on the Aguila perhaps? I look forward to any news on this at all.
Sherrie if you go to National Archives documents on line you can download details of all merchant ships giving details of their voyages during the war. You only need to input the ships name each download costs £3.5
regarding the SS Aguila. I have a contact who has been researching this ship. She may be able to help you. I would only be too happy to pass on your details to her.
Crew lists are now kept in Canada enquiries to Tanya McDonald
when asking for crew lists give ships name and official No
dates start to finish. payment in Canadian Dollars are converted into pounds sterling by credit card.
Regarding coal bunkerage I guess by now this area is completely gutted but bearing in mind her size access for coal was little more than (similar) a manhole cover either side of the open bridge forward of the funnel not unlike the Clyde Puffers.
hi Hamish l understand you sailed with Jimmy cooper. l sailed with a Jimmy cooper on the mv amenity 1948 he came from leeds l wonder if it was the same man gordon
Greetings Gordon! Yes Jimmy was from Leeds, Halton, as I was, we sailed together on the "Aire" and again on the"Seaford" We also did a stint down the Coalmines, at Waterhaig, I returned to sea and he became a Leeds city bus driver, I lost contact with him when I came to Canada in 1957, He was originally from around London, and had quite a London accent, if he is still above the grass he would be about eighty eight now, Cheers hamish
Yet again my friend you have an answer,many thanks,I am now starting to dig!
I am trying to trace my grandfathers brother, Ned / Edward Walton who disappeared of the face of the earth in the late 1930's early 1940's. My grandfather, John Walton, last saw him during the war at Kings Cross railway station. He sailed on the Gripfast and was married to a lady called Stella. I beleive they may have lived in London Does anyone know what became of him or his family.
Re the Empire Oak/Alva/Aguila - My great uncle Nicholas Concepcion was a crew member on the Empire Oak (thank you so much Pedro for earlier posting of crew list ... so poignant!). I understand that the Empire Oak picked up 6 survivors from the Aguila (including Sophie's Great Uncle?) and 11 from the Alva (including Sherrie's grandfather?). When the Empire Oak was torpedoed the 6 from the Aguila then perished but the 11 from the Alva did not and were transferred with other survivors to another ship and to safety. Our family was told that Uncle Nick survived the first torpedo on the Empire Oak, but not the second ship he was rescued by - could this have been the Zinnia? I have read that a random group of Merchant/Navy seamen were transferred from the Zinnia, fortunately it turns out as when she was torpeded there were only 17 survivors. So sad, but so interesting to remember all these brave people. Uncle Nick had 5 little children under 10 and a beautiful blue-eyed wife, my Auntie Bess, who lived into her 80's but never remarried. Bless 'em all.
For anyone still interested in the M.V. Fountains Abbey and Whitby Abbey, I have a letter written by F. Wooler which reads:-
A disaster indeed it was, the loss of two lives and a fine ship, she holds happy memories for many of us. During her seven years of life she carried numerous fine folk as passengers and weathered storm after storm. No other vessel will ever replace her in my affection. My next command is to be the sister ship of the ill fated Fountains Abbey namely the M.V. Whitby Abbey and in the German Service. Signed F.W.Wooler
I saw Bernard Hough's posting about the letter signed by Fred Wooler, one time master of the MV Fountains Abbey. I would be most interested to receive details as to whom the letter was addressed and of the date of the letter. Similarly, if there are any survivors of the loss of the ship ( or relatives of former crew members) who would like to share their recollections of that event I would love to hear from them via the webmaster.
Peter and Bernard! Troll back on this site to around 13/02 and you will find some interesting comments re the "Illustrious" Captain Wooler
My dad sailed for AHL for 25 years and knew Captain Wooler who ended up as Marine Superintendant for AHL - i still have my dad's reference signed by Captian Wooler in 1971 when AHL folded and he was made redundant. We used to live up the road from the motorman who died when the Fountains Abbey caught fire - he lived in Northolme Road Hessle but I cannot remember his name. My dad recalled he was crushed in a lifeboat when a swell drew the the lifeboat under the hull - he always said Captain Wooler felt guilty about what happened
Hello!!! I have just discovered this site and found references and requests fo information regarding the ship "Marlwood". Tom Collier, my Grandfather, was the master of the Marlwood. I have some plates retreived form the ship with its picture on them. Unfortunately they have been broken and glued back together. I also have a brass ships clock from the Marlwood as well, though I believe my uncle albert (Tom's son) has the one that chimes the quarter hour etc. My grandmother Lilly (Tom's wife) lives in Auckland New Zealand. She turned 100 on June 30th and is cared for by my Aunt Joan one of her daughters. My mother, Maureen, her husband Clive and I live in Invercargill New Zealand which is at the bottom of the South Island. Grandfather always said New Zealand was his favourite place and wanted the whole family to move here. Sadly he passed away in 1970 and never made that move with us. He is sorely missed. I will send a copy of some of the information from this site to my aunt and Grandmother to read. They may know many of the people mentioned and have some useful information that may be useful for your research.
Cheers, Mark Mackenzie.
Hi Martin Smith:
Re: Your submission regarding the demise of the Fountains Abbey. I posted a comment on this back in Feb. of this year if you'd care to scroll back. I was an AB on the Byland Abbey at the time. The motorman who lost his life, along with the bo's'n,
was Gordon Gillmartin.
Apart from that, the only other guy I can think of who was a crew member at the time was Mike Spence, who was an assistant steward. He later became a Goole docker,care of his dad. Nepotism being the hiring practice of the day.
Can't blame mike for that though, that's the way it was.
As far as I know, Mike still lives in Goole or thereabouts.
Perhaps some of the old salts who frequent Witherspoons may be able to shed some light on it.
Good luck on your search.
Hi Gary. Neprotism. A strong word for these pages, for is not this site supposed to be a light hearted look into the past? My father and his father were dockers. Involved in the hardest part which was coal trimming. These men had to respect their workmates as equals.With no evidence of shirking or dodging issues to do with work.When I left school it was on the cards for me to go to sea. Like lots of my mates. some of these went to escape Callup. That was escapism. The worst case of nephrotism that I witnessed in Goole was after the war when my brother in law Sargeant Charlie Wilkinson was demobed. After time spent in Burma fighting for his countryHe did a crash course in Joinery like 1000's of others and was employed by Platt and Featherstones. When one day I went to see him at work. It was teabreak .All the workers (brothers, trade unioists)were in a canteen .But not Charlie. He sat alone . Branded a "Diluty" That was Nephrotism
Hi Corby: Sorry if you took offense to my little dig at nepotism, a-la Goole dockers. I also empathize with the plight of folks who fought for King and Country, only to come home to an ungrateful reception. That was 'reverse' nepotism.
Incidentally, why couldn't your bro.-in-law find work "ont' dock wall?" Stevedore's wouldn't allow it eh? And that was even before they were unionized!
Anyway, as you rightly say, this is supposed to be a light hearted forum so have a nice day and keep 'em coming.
Hi Gary.If you have read my piece in the main pages dated 26/4/08. You will understand how passionate I feel about the plight of the old coal trimmers. These much maligned men in my mind never recieved the recognition they deserved. For they were responsible for keeping the many colliers that left Goole upright and safe.That has been forgotten by many mariners which crewed these vessels. Regarding Charlies refusal to work on the docks. He was a proud man who wanted to make his own way in life with a trade behind him.to ask my dad for help would not be considered . Also we are back to nepotism arent we. It was Charlie who talked me into taking a trade and not "running off to sea" Most of my maternal side were mariners sailing out of Hull and Goole so my blood is quite salty. On a final note. Charley took his family of four boys out of school and went to live at Scunthorpe where he spent his life working in the steelworks .With best regards and hopefuly no hard feelings
Hi, Hamish (5/8/09)
The framed photo I have of the S.S.Don also has a note on the back of the frame saying - "Torpedoed by German U-boat off Blyth, Northumberland on March 8th 1914. Sank in ten minutes - W.M.Dixon and others injured."
I don't know where my 'Don' was built, but yours must have been a reincarnation. Am I right?
He served his time under sail - I have some records of his vessels (many Clyde-built sailing ships) and destinations etc. It would be nice to have any info., technical or otherwise just to put into family tree stuff.
Carelessness ! 13.10.2009 I said the info. on my photograph of the S.S.Don gave the torpedoed date as 8th March 1914 - I should have said 1915.
Nevertheless, www,gooleships.co.uk gives two pics, but the date of the attack as MAY 1915.
(One of the reasons for Capt. W.M.Dixon's death in 1934 was "war injuries".)
John! The SS "Don" I sailed on was built in 1924 by Vickers in Barrow in Furnace, she was managed by AHL untill she was towed to Holland for break up, in 1958, hope this clears up any confusion as to "which" Don
Hi John re- Don
A bit of info for you. The Don was built for Goole Steam Shipping Co (later to become part of Lancashire & Yorkshire Railways). and launched 14th July 1892 by W. Dobson & Co at Low Walker, Register number 98389 and was registered at Goole 8th August 1892. it had a speed of 12.5 knots and the first Master was E.D.Duncan-Redford (ticket number 90941).
On May 8th 1915 at 4.40am, while on a voyage from Cromarty, Scotland to Blyth in ballast she was sunk by U9 7 miles East of Coquet Island. U9 was launched 22nd February 1910, commissioned 8th April 1910. at the time of sinking it was commanded by Johannes Spiel born 25th July 1888, who joined the German Navy 1n 1907. U9 sank 14 merchant ships with a total tonnage of 9,715 tons, and 4 warships with a total tonnage of 43,350 tons. (3 of these were British cruisers HMS Aboukir, Hogue and Cressey which were all sunk 22nd September 1914 within 1 hour). U9 surrendered 26th November 1918 and was broken up at Morecambe in 1919.
Hi Marie, from what i have discovered only a handful of survivors from the Empire Oak were picked up by the Zinnier, one was in fact my grandfather. He was lucky to have been transfered to HMS Boreas and only passed away a few years ago. Most of the sites i have found regarding this story claim the survivors were picked up by the Campanular then transfered onto HMS Velox. So it does seem that your great uncle may have been picked up alongside my grandfather.
To John Dixon.Was WM your grandfather? A very interesting account.but I am also interested in the sailing ships he sailed in. Would any of these vessels have been built at Howdendyke by Banks or Caiseley? There being very little on record about these ships. By the way, I went to the Alex with an Alan Dixon. Any relation? If so give him my regards
Any information on a Richard Watson, born Kippax 1778c, presumed to be a Master Mariner with own sloop trading between the Continent and Humber ports. Later in very early 1800s a Waterman of Castleford owning Keels running between Goole and Leeds on the river.
Have just been scrolling this site and seen a lot of ships names I remember. I started work in 1959 for J Wharton(shipping)Limited at their office in Aire Street. The "Gladonia" "Jackonia" "Lizzonia" "Stevonia" "Brendonia" were all named after Wharton family members. Later came the "Burtonia", Jack Wharton lived at Burton on Stather, and the "Trentonia" named after the river of course. I recall all these ships were registered at Goole. Later I moved across to East Parade and worked for L.V. Gunnill/Renwick Wilton and Dobson. There I was Agent for a lot of ships loading coals to the South Coast power stations and the Channel Islands. Kevin Garden 11.12.08 mentions a Capt. Flett on the "Sandringham Queen". I remember this gentleman, if it is the same one, as being one of the better Captains to deal with. Incidentally, my brother Roger, sailed out of Goole, certainly on the "Blyth" and possibily on some of the other ships mentioned.
Ahoy Gerald Brooksbank; It's great that you have found your way onto this excellent website. Welcome aboard.
Regarding your comment about the Sandringham Queen and her master, Capt. Alec Flett, let me be the first to agree with you that he was indeed one of the better skippers. I was an AB on Sandringham for a couple of months (31 Oct to 22 Dec 1962) and would have given him at least 9 out of 10 had I been asked. Needless to say, I wasn't! C'est la vie.
Did you perchance happen to go in the Peacock Hotel during your tenure on East Parade? If so, our paths may have crossed, as by that time I was getting my feet under the table as it were, with Sid and Rosie's youngest daughter Shirley. We will have been married 46 years come Nov 28th. and have three sons, three daughters-in-law and seven grandkids.
We are all Canadians now but still miss Goole, which may seem strange, as none of us speak Polish! Only kidding.
Gary! That proves that the "Goolies", like the Scots, are very good at populating other peoples countries,take care H
From guesswork based on the few facts we have, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that as an Able Seaman on the Empire Oak, my great-uncle could helped your grandfather out of the sea after the sinking of the Alva, and on to the Empire Oak - or at the very least spoken to him on the crowded little tug. Then, two nights later when the Empire Oak was hit, your grandfather (according to that fascinating account on the Mercantile Marine site?) bravely swam for help to save his shipmates, including my great uncle? When our two relatives were apparently picked up by the Zinnia, your grandfather was one of those then transferred to the HMS Boreas and saved, while my great-uncle was one of those left behind on the Zinnia and perished, when it was also torpedoed and sank. We'll probably never know, but we do know that sailors helped each other and I'm glad that your grandfather, despite his terrible ordeals, survived being torpedoed twice and lived to tell the tale.
You ask if I went in the Peacock during my time at East Parade.
The answer is a resounding yes. I used the pub before that, starting sometime during 1960 I think but really went in a lot when at East Parade. I would leave the office some nights and walk to the Peacock for 6pm opening. Often, if I was early or Side was late, the keys would be thrown down to me so I could open the door and go in. Used the lounge mainly. Ship Agent you see position to think of. I have racked my brain trying to place you, as I am sure we must have met, but cannot. I remember Enid and Wally and was the other sister Mavis? The pub was also handy for Victoria Lock so when I had ships arriving/sailing I
could look out for them from the lounge. I am called Ged by my friends so this may, or may not, ring a bell with you. I moved back on to Aire Street to work for Limb & Co. but went in the Peacock regularly until leaving Goole 1979 to come to work and live in Boston, Lincs. On the shipping side some of the ships I looked after in Goole were the "Havelet" and "Portelet" owned by Onesimus Dorey of Guernsey. The "Odra" and "Glitra"", Chr. Salvesen, any number of F.T.Everard and Crescent Shipping vessels. As a sub agent for Cutting & Co. I looked after Russian timber ships too. One particular ship I remember was the "Marco Polo", a timber built ship from Torshavn. It took two tides to get her up to Goole in ballast as the Pilot at Hull couldn't get her to swing in the Humber. Happy days.
Gary I know your only joking about Poles in Goole.Because the 2001 census of Canada shows 9380 poles in Renfrew county alone.But today scattered across Canada 800.000 can claim polish descent
I have many happy memories of Goole in the 50s I was chief officer on the Roman Queen.These were the old steamships with local firemen/stokers who were replace by west african immigrants residing in Hull but mostly from the Cardiff area known as Tiger Bay.We had a regular trade from Goole with coal
to Plymouth then load stone at Newlyn Cornwall for Deptford Creek London.Then it was back to either Goole or Blyth for yet more coal.
Zygmund I remember you as mate on the Roman Queen.The captain was a welshman named Williams.If my memory serves you were about to sit your masters cert.We also had a polish AB on board named Jan who lived in Blyth he on occassions acted as translater for the trawlermen who absconded from Russian trawlers and were kept in the seamans mission or the hospital in Blyth. Small world
Thanks for the info. on the SS Don - all I had was the photograph. Unfortunately that is where the trail ends at the moment. Perhaps WM's 'ticket number' will reveal more later. Photographs show he was later with the White Star and Anchor Lines, but as what and where I don't yet know.
I'm still at an early stage of research, plus the maritime world is uncharted territory for me. (I was in the RAF!)
Thanks to Hamish 15/10/2009 too, regarding which Don.
To Corby Bunting 21/10/2009
WM Dixon was my paternal grandfather. He served his time under sail - 1891-1892, on the (handwriting not clear) Hosfrodon/Hosprodon? of Liverpool.
Later sailing ships : Erin's Isle 73111: Mairi Bhan 68537: Loch Long 76726: Loch Lomond 63741: Beeswing 96144 (steam?): Thistle 98308: Bay of Bengal 73562 (of which I have a picture under sail): River Nith 58999 (steam?).
The River Nith and the Erin's Isle I have yet to pinpoint, but all the others were Clyde-built. See www.clydesite.co.uk
His trail ends so far at the sinking of the SS Don in 1915.
Sorry - don't know of any Alan Dixon.
Hi again my old boss Ged Brooksbank, I too remember the Peacock as a watering hole for agents working down East Parade, they were Kettlewell's, Oughtred & Harrison, RW&D/Gunnills and Cross's as well as Stevedores of Goole and we all used to pack the Peacock out on Thursday/Friday (payday). Remember fondly Sid and Rose who took me a little under their wing when I started going into the Peacock at 16 or 17 in 1968-69. Was a regular haunt for us agents for a number of years. Also your mention of "Havelet" and "Portelet" brings back memories of a particular Christmas Eve circa 1969/70 when you sent me to one of these vessels (can't remember which one) to get the Bills of Lading signed about 1600 hrs, she was berthed at Tannit Hoist in Railway Dock and had loaded coal for the Channel Isles, you called onboard yourself around 1800 hrs and the master, a portly, jolly Irishman with a shock of grey hair (for my sins I cannot recall his name) invited us to partake in small noggin of Christmas cheer, many noggins later we were certainly cheerful and finally disembarked around midnight when the pilot came onboard, staggering down Bridge street on a icy night back to our respective domains.
happy memories indeed!! my regards also to Chris hope you are both well.
Malcolm Bristow. It was the "Havelet" and the Captain was called McGonnell. The other Captains on the "Havelet" and "Portelet" were McQuillan and McCoullogh. Capt. McQuillan was the one who would turn up at the office around 9.30 in the morning armed with bottles of pale ale for us for breakfast. I noticed you have mentioned on one of the other sites about the Coalite ships we loaded for Norway. I was trying to remember the names of the Jebsen ships we had. They sometimes called in at Goole on their way back from Canada to Norway and loaded up to 4000 tonnes but I can't remember any apart from the "Leknes".
As you say the Peacock was a watering hole for Agents from East Parade and remember getting in there with Eddy Cross from the stevedores among others. I recall that Saphir Shipping were in the office next to us, on the corner, but their entrance was not on East Parade. The Peacock was also handy for when we had ships up to Selby, again you could watch and wait in the lounge. Will try and remember more for next time.
Hi John. Glad the info on the Don was of use. The crew list at the time of sinking was:- W.Arron Master, G.E.Middleton 1st mate, W.M.Dixon 2nd mate, T.Lindsley Chief Engineer, F. Mundy 2nd Engineer, C.E. Broughton steward, AB`s K. Campbell, J.Smith, A.E. Hulse?, W.Thomas, H, Shave. Firemen H. Harrison, T.Walsh, G.H. Ellis, G. Longhorn and A. Aldis. Sailed 1 deck hand short. W.M. Dixon and A. Aldis were injured by falling wreakage and spent 3 days in hospital at North Shields.
Nice to see postings from folks who used to frequent the Peacock Hotel in the sixties and beyond. Ged Brooksbank and Malc Bristow, notably. It makes me all weepy here in my private litle alcove where no one can see me. Especially the wife, as I have a two/four of Old Miwaukee Ice on hand.
Cheep stuff but still palatable, but I digress.
I'm led to believe that East Parade is now history, although the Peacock building still remains, albeit boarded up.
The rest, Cross's, Kettlewell's, the Pool office and Union office etc., all gone. Sad!
I have fond (?) recollections of Shea and Smithy in the Pool, and "Jock" Grant and Doug Hammond in the Union office next door. That's how I first discovered the Peacock, Yadda yadda yadda!
I'm also told that the Peacock is to become a new Charlie Oldridge project. I certainly recall that Charlie's dad, Joe, used to be a regular there when Sid and Rosie had it and probably before, so keep us informed.
Anyway, that's enough nostalgia for now. Hope I didn't offend anyone.
Are you listening Zygmund?
Incidentally, Chicago has the largest Polish population outside of Warsaw. Canada's Polish tally is about 3%.
Hey up Gary go easy on that old milwaukee Charlie Oldriges dad was Charlie Snr Joe is his younger brother.Jock Grant Union Rep
Did you mean Jock McCauly.
Carry on weeping in your beer.
Hi Pedro, thanks for the correction regarding Jock McCauly, the union rep. Jock Grant was one of the river pilots who used to frequent the Peacock around the same time.
You're right about Joe Oldridge Sr. also. Joe Jr. was an 'iron fighter' with whom I worked on a couple of jobs when I came ashore. Notably Yarrows at Drax 'A'.
Memory tends to get a bit blurry; could be the age thing or perhaps the Milwaukee Ice.
Just stumbled across this site, due to a childhood obsession with ships!
I'd just like to say how much i have enjoyed reading everyones posts and how bizarre it is how we live in such a small world!
I'm a child of the eighties so unfortunatly was not lucky enough to live through this era! but it still fills me with pride everytime i research anything to do with the industrial heritage of Yorkshire!
Not your typical hoodie wearing chav am i lol, so say sad! I say proud!
I am interested to know more about Herbert Page Webster as I believe he may have been a relative
Gary! You have a peculiar taste in beer, as I remember the "Yanky" brand of Milwaukee was like sex in a canoe cheers H
Hi Hamish, nice one about the old 'Old Milwaukee', but you know how it is; it was on special down at the Liquor Store and I just couldn't resist, being a Goolie and all.
Anyway, it is brewed in Canada and boasts the 5.5% alc/vol on the label. And believe it or not, it gives me a nice little buzz after a half doz. (@473 mL) or so. Without the hangover, non the less.
Much better than aftershave or Brasso! LOL
To anyone who may be able to help. I have only just found this site & noticed my Dads name (Monty Rhodes) in an earlier email.
Has anyone come across the term "Convoy of Cripples"? He came back to Liverpool as part of this Convoy of damaged ships from North Africa in late 42/early43. He was on the Novelist which was bombed alongside the Cruiser Ajax in Bone Harbour. But I dont know if this is the ship involved in the above mentioned Convoy.
Gary I must admit I don't have a loyalty to any one brand, living out here on the lake, we are inundated with Albertans coming and going to their lakeside cabins in the summertime, so I take full advantage of the means of transportation, and get a goodly supply of "Cheap" beer,( ten bucks a dozen,from the superstore) brought out, things get a bit slim in the winter tho' so I bight the bullet and have to frequent the local liquor, but that hurts a Scot, take care H
Harold Rhodes the cargo ship Novelist 6.133 gross tonage
(Charante SS Co Ltd T&J Harrison Mngrs) had been discharging her cargo of government stores at Bone harbour (Algeria).On the 1st Jan 1943 she was damaged by German aircraft and further damaged by near misses on the 17th Jan.After temporary repairs she sailed on the 25th Jan to Gibraltar. On the 7thFeb the ship joined up with the 93 ship convoy for Liverpool MKS-7.Which had departed Algiers on the 5th and arrived Liverpool on the 17th.
The ship survived the war and was renamed Phoenix in 1961 and was scrapped the same year in Hong Kong.
P.S. If you're Montys eldest son you and your mum sailed with us on the Lancasterbrook your Grandad Thompson was Engineer.Harold Lawson captain and your dad 1st mate.
Hello, just found this brilliant site whilst trying to trace my family tree/history. My maiden name was Lawson and I was so pleased to see the nice comments about my Uncle Harold who was a lovely man and true gent. He got me my first job in HOH offices in East Parade in 1966. My dad, Harry was in the merchant navy as was Uncle Joe. I have not lived in Goole now for 30 years but have had the Goole Times sent almost every week since I left.
Would anyone know how I can trace the ships my grandad Lawson (Harold's dad) sailed on please, I believe he was a Master Mariner but there are so few of us Lawsons left and I dont know where to start. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. thanks
Reference Pedro and Harold Rhodes - We will soon have a complete set of postings from the sons of those that served on the Lancasterbrook. My father, Leslie Depledge steward on the above, often referred to Monty Rhodes and I may have sailed with him myself as during the summer holidays I would accompany my father for a couple of trips. My favourite was a voyage to the south coast with coal, calling at Newlyn for stone then on to Deptford Creek for discharge. On this trip the ship had some boiler trouble and we had to put into Falmouth for repairs! I was late back to school hence my favourite trip!
Monty (and others, obviously fed up of school boys) would send me to the engine room for 'a long stand' then I had to find a 'left handed spanner'. Eventually I got the message.
Hi. Posted a inquiry on 3/8/09 about S.S.COTTINGHAM which sank off Lundy in 1915 wanted a crew list to see if SIDNEY HENRY CLEMENT was on it,its the only sinking that ties up with his death DEC 1919.can you help
Hello Dawn Binns. A bit late perhaps, but I've just noticed your message dated 4/6/08 Regarding your relative sailing on the"Fullerton" She was a brigantine built by John Banks at Howdendyke. In 1854 possibly the first one built by him and it sounds like its maiden voyage.I would be very interested to read his account if possible.
Tricia what was your grandad Lawsons christian name?
first what a great site . been reading it with interest, cannot lay claim to goole. Just looked because of my uncle Fred Walton age 93 still lives there.
My interest in the ships. do not think any-one can help. is in the 1881 census.looked for hobmans of selby.and up came ships in goole. puzzled by this clicked on . ships in port in goole 1881.
rolled down list. spotted hobman.
henry hobman age 28.master
ambroise hobman age 26 masters wife
wm ince. age 40 mate lambeth surrey
john w hobman age 2 masters son
ellen hobman age 2 months. masters daughter
all of selby.yorkshire.
name of vessel .kate.
these are my hobmans sure enough.apart from ellen did not have.
how can i check up.why it was in goole. was it a house boat .
did family live in it.
For Michael Smith The Kate was a sailing sloop / barge. The master and his family living in the stern (back) accomodation.The mate Ince would live in the forward accomodation in this case alone She was built in Knottingley 1868 reg tonnage 33 the first registered owner was John Branford of Knottingley
For Richard Re-Cottingham the log books and crew agreements
are held at the Natonal Maritime Museum Greenwich.This will show if he was on the ship when it was torpedoed.
Tel 020 8858 4422
Fax 020 8312 6632
Lost at the time of sinking Benoke Lawrence Seaman
Cook Fredrick 2nd Eng
Grant Neil 2nd Mate
Lewis John Fireman
McPhael Alexander 1st Mate
Pearson George Henry 1st Engineer
Roberts Richard Fireman
many escaped including the Master but if he were indeed on board the National Maritime Museum would know.
All the deaths listed are taken from the Tower Hill WW1 section
No one actually knew as he was always called "Pa" in the family (and Grandma was "Ma" and woe betide anyone who called her anything else!!) However since original posting think may I have found him through 1901 census and it appears he could be John Robert - one of his sons was called that name but died I believe in infancy - There was a John Robert Robert Lawson from Goole registered on 1901 Census in Halling, Kent working on "Bertha" which was I believe a dredger and there was also a P Penn from Goole working with him who was 66 (John R Lawson was 33). The address given on census was Formby Chalk Works Lighter Bertha. Am now going to try 1911 census now that I appear to have a name. Does any of this mean anything to you?? Am getting quite excited to, hopefully, be getting things tied up would be grateful for any info anyone can give me.
thank you for the excellent response to my query.it helps me a great deal.none the wiser when henry became a master. but you may like to know on the 1911 census was a
waterman living on a river barge.lock hill selby.
henry age 55. ambroise 51.john sandrson age 5.grandson.
seems liked being on the water.
cannot thank you and this site enough
Hi everybody great site.
We are researching my wife's family history and her uncle Norman James Turney who was a naval gunner on the SS RIO DORADO sunk in 1941. His life was lost with 38 other crew We have the details of the sinking and by whom.What we would like info on if possible would be the crew and any photographs of the SS RIO DORADO if possible.
Hope to hear from you soon
This is just for information remind people know that the Crew Lists and Log Books for the Second World War are kept at the National Archives in Kew, not at the National Maritime Museum. I was there this morning and I have to say the staff were excellent in helping me find the records I was seeking. Also the retrieval and copying systems are superb. If you go there it's useful to have the official number of the ship. But it's not essential as you can get it from the Lloyds Register which they also have. As I say the staff are very helpful, a key file is from the Board of Trade, ref BT381. Good hunting.
Richard re Cottingham
You could try any archives in Glasgow. it was sold to J. Little & Co , Glasgow in April 1914 or 1915. Captain Mitchell from Glasgow survived, the seven lost were all in the same boat who lost touch with the others around midnight. All the other crew members made it safely to Swansea. Chief engineer and 2nd engineer were from Hull, 1st & 2nd mates were from Gourock all of which were among those lost.
Thanks for the info on S.S.COTTINGHAM,still no better off this is the only ship I can find for Dec 1915 in Bristol Channel,he was washed up at Morethoe Devon in Jan 1916 but were told boxing day 1915
For Richard I seem to be missing something can you clarify in your previous posting you have is death 1919 and washed up in Devon 1916 was he a survivor
Further to my last comment about my late grandfather, John Robert Lawson, I have just noticed that as well as the P Penn, Mate, serving with him on the Bertha there was also a G Fletcher from Goole who was 20 years old in 1901 and was the ship's cook. Does this mean anything to anyone please?
I think a possible source of information about your Grandfathers career would be Trinity House in Hull. They did & still do provide pensions for Merchant Navy Officers. They provided me with a copy of the application letter for a pension from my Gt Grnd Father Richard Rhodes together with a list of the Sloops he was on as Master in the late 1800s
I also remember as a child overhearing my dad (Monty), who always refered to your Uncle Harold as "Cappy Lawson" telling someone, I dont remember who, that" Cappy Lawson had in his Boyhood years been lashed to the Mast by his father during a particulaly bad storm" The inference being that it was a sailing vessel. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the information it is a big help & yes I am Montys eldest son, known to all in my youth and to the amusment of my Grandchildren as "Little Monty" I also remember the trips to Deptford/Newlyn/Poole/Ipswich/Shoreham/Rotterdam etc with great affection.
I have a small painting of the Lancaterbrook 1947 which was given to me by "Cappy Lawson" a man whom my dad held in great regard. I am trying to track down an Aerial (from a costal command plane I think) photograph of the Lancasterbrook, which shows my Grandfather Harold Thompson and Grandmother waving to the plane from the stern. It is possible it might be another ship as I am unsure of all the ships he was on. Can anybody help?
Sorry Pedro slipped up there.he was reported missing Dec 26 1915 and his body was washed up at Mortehoe Devon Jan 6 1916,still cant find which boat he was on
Thank you Harold for the information I will contact Trinity House as soon as possible. Loved the tale about Uncle Harold being lashed to the mast by Grandad - bet health and Safety would have something to say about that these days!! I wish I had done the family tree 30 years ago when he and Dad and Uncle Joe were alive it saddens me to think of all the good stories I have missed, a lesson for all young readers - do it now get all the info you can, you might think it boring now but you won't in years to come and it might be too late then. Thanks again.
For Harold/Pedro - re my ongoing search for Grandad Lawson. I contacted Halling Parish Council in Kent where Grandad and the other Goole Crew were registered during the 1901 Census as I mentioned earlier and found out that the Bertha, which was a sailing barge, was actually built in Halling in 1866. They have been very helpful as well as you two and are researching further for me. Do you think Bertha would have come up to Goole at some stage which was how the crew joined, or was it common practice for seamen to travel so far to get a vessel to work on and how would they have known?
Tricia the Bertha would (could) have sailed out of Goole. Halling on the Medway was no great distance for these sloops some even sailing as far afield as France.To get a better idea of this type of vessel click on top right of page Humber working craft.And see Sloops
I am trying to find out about The Collier side of my family, many of who were involved with ships. West Collier born c 1868 who was a shipping manager. I found the abbreviations Nav Shore manager Shipping Co, which don't mean a lot to me! Also my maternal grandfather, Robert Roy Collier born 1891 who I believe was an engineer and stevedore. I have a great-great grandfather who was a Thomas but he married in 1867 so clearly isn't the Tom Collier that is mentioned in one of the posts. Any feedback would be gratefully received.
For Jane Mosse
There are still descendants of Collier families in Goole.Those mentioned earlier i/e Jack and Tom were I believe cousins I would suggest at letter to the Goole Times may come up with a reply.
Many thanks for your post Pedro. Hopefully I'll be able to trace the connection and thanks for the suggestion of a letter to the press.
i have a merchant seaman's certificate of service and discharge book for john acaster b1909 of 11, elsie st, goole, served on s.s. rother no 12888 of 986 tons, don, justin woane?(no 169618), hodden. he was discharged after war duty 2-6-46. sailed from grimbsy, hull, heysham. there is a lot of info and a picture. nat. union seaman no 84189. certificate issued goole 1926 discharged goole '46.
email any queries
Jane I sailed with Jack Collier on the "Aire" a gentleman and a scholar, he was fleet commodore of the AHL at the time I believe
Just thought I'd wish everybody a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Glad to see that this forum is successful in reuniting old acquaintances and filling in gaps in various peoples' research.
Thank you Gary !And likewise to everyone else on site!! "Lang May Yer Lums Reek"
Canadian Girl. In 1968 I was a photographer on board the old Queen Elizabeth. One of the passengers was a beatiful girl returning to Canada. Her mother was a famous artist who was known for painting Geese at Hudson Bay. I phoned her daughter from Boston in the 1970's. I don't know her name but I threw her a rose during dinner during a Transatlantic crossing to New York.
She has remained an unswered question throughout the last 40 years.
Anyone know a famous Canadian lady painter of Geese and wildlife in Hudson Bay in the 1970's Hey life's a challenge - email@example.com
For Hamish. Many thanks for this. I still haven't worked out where Jack fits in to the family tree. Could you enlighten me as to what AHL stands for? Many thanks.
I stand to be corrected but I am pretty sure that the initials, AHL stood for Associated Humber Lines, a one time subsidiary of the long gone British Transport Commission (BTC).
Confirmation that AHL was Associated Humber Lines, a.k.a. the Railway Boats. (If you are a Goolie, Railway Booats).
Whilst serving on these vessels we, the crew, were considered employees of British Railways and,as such, were entitled to travel warrants for rail travel.
My AHL ships were Byland Abbey; Kirkham Abbey; York; Darlington; Leeds; Wakefield and Whitby Abbey. All between 1959 and 1963. Happy days indeed!
A.K.A."Lanky" boats,Your recollection of them must be better than mine Gary! All I found them good for was time off, no money, they were very good at "Bending" the union agreement, time off in lieu of overtime, Sundays at sea etc, at their discretion only. I used them between colliers if nothing was going thru the Pool, and I had been as shore awhile. Only did three the "Aire" "Blyth" "Don" circa 52 to 57, and only stayed a couple of trips on each,had to sell the Bond bottle to make a living wage
hi there what a great site, can anyone give me any information on a ship called swinefleet please, my wifes great grandad was the captain on her,his name was commander white
Hi Hamish, I hope you had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Thanks for your comments on my 'career' on the Railway Boats, a.k.a. the Lanky Boats, as you call them.
I agree with you on some points. However, I was never on any of the older ships that you mentioned. e.g. Ayre; Blyth; Don, etc., so can't comment on conditions at the time.
My first was the Darlington in 1959 - I had been deep sea prior to that so I was new to H/T articles - didn't like it!
My next AHLer was the Byland Abbey (Frg), where I fell in love with Copenhagen from day one! I did not stay on this ship to get rich, just for the run. I loved the place. Good accom., good shipmates and not too many arseholes on the bridge. (There were some, no names, no pack drill)!
Same applies to other AHLers.
Hamburg/Bremen; Antwerp/Ghent; Rotterdam/Amsterdam. At least one night ashore in each place. All on the company buck!
That's what I meant by 'happy days'! What else?
To do what we did then would cost megabucks thesedays!
Forget about the bad times, everybody has them!
Cheers to the next time!
re Swynfleet. Register number 136734 Launched 2 November 1914 by Osbourne, Graham & Co at Sunderland. for Constantine Doresa, London as the Belge. Bought by Ouse SS. Co., Goole in 1919 and renamed Swynfleet.
1,168 grt. 240.3ft in length, 36.5ft beam 15ft 4ins draught. Triple expansion 3 cylinder engine. Cylinder diameter 17ins; 28ins and 46ins with a stroke of 33ins producing 148 NHP giving a speed of 10 knots.
Signal code letters M F R B. Last voyage was from Goole to Ipswich with a load of coal when she hit a mine off Harwich 25 January 1942 position 51.56.3N 1.19.3E
Gary I agree great runs, and runs ashore, The "Don" for example spent one weekend in Goole then the next weekend in Copenhagen, every weekend in port, well what with Tivoli Gardens and the Brewery tours, the girls that came aboard, hells bells one needed the constitution of a horse, I can recall one time having to borrow the bus fare (till I sold my bond bottle)to get me home to Leeds from Goole. But I do admit they were great times
For Tricia & John Depledge
John you may have seen this. In going through some of my accumulated things I have found a photocopy (poor) of the Goole Times report (11 Oct 1940) of the attack by German Planes on the Sanfry. It mentions L Depledge & a J Lawson (Brother of Cptn) who manned the guns after the gunner was wounded. There is further info in the article.
If you cannot get this from the Library at Goole contact me & I will forward you a copy.
Harold. I think in the future I will use "Little Monty" as my ID.
Harold,thank you so much, I would love a copy of the article on my Uncle Joe on the Sangfry. How do I contact you please?
Thanks for the kind thought regarding the Sanfry incident. I have quite a lot of information already including letters from the government agencies refering to the awards, also Lloyds List reports, and copies of the BBC broadcasts.
I have a photograph of some of the "Lancasterbrook" crew,unfortunately I cannot just put my hands on it. It will turn up. I know my Dad is on it and I am certain there is a dog on the photograph. I remember the dog when I took my trips on the ship. Regards John
For John Depledge
Thanks for checking, please bear me in mind when you come across it.
For the Swynfleet fans I have a Photo Copy which I think was of the Swynfleets crew including my Dad & maternal Grandad which I would guess would have been taken in the mid 30s, if anyone is interested. I think? the Captain was an Arnold.
Ref previous posting and your interest in the papers that Harold Rhodes referred to. I have a photograph of the Sanfry crew taken by the Goole photographer J.G. Powles. I presume it was taken around the time of the incident. Both Joe and Harold Lawson are on the photograph. I think we should continue this discussion by e mail - firstname.lastname@example.org. Perhaps I can send you a copy.
Tricia, maybe as with John the best way to make contact is by e-mail. Mine is
The copy I have is some years old and does not scan well its an old type photostat and the page is distorted but just readable.
Harold (Little Monty)
hello corby bunting. I have recently been introduced to this great website in the hope that I can trace my dad ron"s brother alan wheldrake. you said that you were great friends with them both and hope you can help me. all i have to go on is that I know alan met and maybe married a girl from hull named pat whose family had some wet fish shops in hull . I think then they emigrated to new zealand and lost contact with alan many years ago.I dont know whether he is still there or whether he is back in this country but I would love to be able to find him, as my dad ron has often said he wonders where alan is .could you help me with any info or know anyone who knows. thankyou
hi pedro being reading your messages and you seem to know alot about the shipmates. please could you help me. I am trying to trace my dads brother alan wheldrake. after working on the ships I think he emigrated to new zealand. my dad ron has often wondered what happened to him, so i would love to try and find out for my dad.any info would be very much appreciated.
I worked for the transport docks board in the main offices in the mid 70s and remember issuing the shipping lists to the papers each week. I always remember the dredger Anglezark and wonder what became of her. I remember seeing her keeping the docks and the dock gates clear presumably dropping the dredgings out at sea.
Does anybody know what happened to her, she looked a lot like the Goole Bight pictured on this site ?
Sorry jdr remember Alan well but never heard of him for years.I asked around in the club Ron (nobby) Clark who lived near your family in Escourt St was surprised to hear your dad was still around and sends his regards.I will keep asking around tho.
STEVE there is a photo of the Angelzarke on eastcoastersfotopic website if this is of help.There might be a link telling you were to look next
pedro thanks for replying to my message also thankyou for trying to find whereabouts of my dads brother alan. if you ever do find anything i would very much appreciate if you let me know. i will tell dad nobby clark sends his regards.thanks
Ahoy Pedro!! Happy new year to you and yours! And many more of them.Any updates on my good buddy "The Guy" and have you heard anything on the "Cannon"or have they truly gone to ground, cheers H
Happy new year Hamish Guy must be picking up I heard he went to Spain for a jolly.Nothing on George possibly still going to church with her indoors.Myself awaiting a flight to Mount gay rum country keep well
To Alan Anderson: With regards to the RivTow Viking and her history here in Canada. She was captained for many years by my uncle Bob Mollison and was for a time the largest tug on the west coast of North America (or so I was told). Bob died quite a few years ago sadly. I decided to look him and the ship up on the web and came across your mention of her in a post above. I understood she had been sent to China to be scrapped, are you saying that the ship is still in existence and in Goole (wherever that is)? I would be very happy to hear she still floated and wasn't scrapped.
Warren Grant, Victoria, BC, Canada
Hey Warren!! You don't know where Goole is? You have never lived (just Kidding) regards from a fellow BC'r
Warren the tug was built here locally may I suggest you read Pedros input above re-her history.He probably knows her eventual fate
Re: Warren Grant's posting on 26/1/'10.
Hey Warren, go easy on the veiled insults about Goole, (wherever that is)... indeed.
If you go to the home page on Goole-on-the-web, which you must have done to post your enquiry, you will see in the top left corner, under Introduction, second from top, 'Where is it?
Give it a whirl and satisfy your curiosity. Meanwhile, your appology is accepted!
Hope you find what your looking for.
Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.
Actually no insult was meant. I came directly to this page from google having done a search for "Rivtow Viking". I have not heard of Goole, although admittedly I didn't read the menu on the left side to find out more :)
Thanks for clearing things up folks, its not that she ended up in Goole but rather that she started there. I will read through the posts above when I get some time.
for Warren the Tenacity was built by Cochrane shipyard at Selby
Yorkshire in 1940 as the Diligent
Renamed Adherent 1947
Renamed Hermes 1962
Renamed Rivton Viking 1970
Renamed Canadian Viking 1985
scrapped around 86 or 1987
She was 700 tons some tug.
The Tenacitys sister ship was the Prudent exact same dimensions.She became the Rivertow Lion deliberately sunk recently off Vancouver Island to make an artificial reef.
There you have it Warren, there is a little bit of Goole(Selby)in BC
Can anyone help me. My great Uncle was a seaman who lived in Goole and who was captured by the Germans during World War 1 while at sea, as was his son Leslie, a minor. He was interned in Ruhleben prisoner of war camp in Germany in 1914 or 1915 and was there throughout the duration of the war. Does anyone have any information on this or his family. Thank you
Names would help. Are we talking Johnsons? Also do you have a ships name as Goole library archives must have this story. Especially about someone so young.
Ref-Ruhleben pow camp
James Askew born Ipswich but residing at 26Wesley Square Goole was a seaman on the SS Edwin Hunter interned 1914 was eventually repatriated thro neutral Holland on March22 1918. Only Goole man I found at the moment.
I knew Fred Porter ( wiggy ) was interned In Germany 1914 but don't know what camp
A total of 40 Goole men are listed as prisoners.The ships involved are the Equity-Winterton-Edwin Hunter-and the Dearne.
I found only one Johnson GW AB of 69 Marlborugh Ave on the Dearne.No info as yet to a son Leslie Although only 4 boys age 14yrs interred at various camps and only 1 at Ruhleben A Holmes
of Deeplish Rochdale was an aprentice.all repatriated due to their age.One unlucky chap was due to be freed unfortunately his 16 birthday fell on his day of freedom he was sent back and held for the duration.
Wiggy Porter of 10 Richard Cooper St listed as AB on the Dearne
altho when I sailed with him he was Chief Steward.
I sailed on SS Dorset a federal ship of N.Z.S.C..in 1950/51/52 under a a very hard Bosun called "Geordie Morton" anybody got any info on this guy Please ??
Anyone remember an old ship tied up on the bollards for years.We used to call it the Old Message? 1930`s.
Incidentally the youngest casualty of WW2 in the Merchant Navy was 14year old Reginald Earnshaw killed under enemy fire on board the SS Devon.He had lied about his age claiming he was 15 so he could join the war effort.He was born in Dewsbury 1927 moved to Edinburgh 1939 and buried in Comely Bank Cemetery
Hello to Warren Grant,Ref.posting 29.1.2010.The Rivtow Viking as Tenacity had quite a time during WW11 working out of St.Johns with a crew of Goole men and Canadians and was instrumental in some 'Famous rescues'.I will ask the Webmaster to give you my E-mail Add. if you wish to see some of the details I have to date.Cheers,Alan .
Researching my family tree has revealed that my roots are deeply entrenched in Knottingley with generations of mariners. My great grandfather Sam Johnson was a master mariner and is shown on the 1881 census aboard the John Pickard, and on the 1891 census aboard the Aquila of Goole. The latter ship I understand was wrecked in Sept 1902 off Spurn Point. Is it possible to find out any further info on these ships? Also any one who might know anything about the family of Johnson, my g.grandmother's name was Zignoria, maybe that will help.
Maureen I dont know if you are aware of the Knottingley Family History Data base website.I found this site invaluable in my search for info on Knottingley Mariners.
The John Pickard was built at Burton Stather 1870 for John Pickard of Wakefield. There was two Aquilas Schooners
No1 Aquila built 1861 at Knottingley by Cliffes for William Morrill and Nathaniel Dickinson.
Aquila 2 built 1864 by Cliffes at Knottingley for William Taylor and
John Arnold she was broken up in 1920.
Not come accross Sam Johnson as yet.But in 1834 John Johnson
of Knottingley was master of the sloop Active he was age 21
In 1839 the Sloop BEE was captained by Thomas Johnson age 35
his brother Richard was the mate age28.
and in 1844 William Johnson was mate on the Sloop Horrocks.
My great grandfather John Townsley and my great uncle Charlie Melrose were both interned in Ruhleben during WW1 and in researching their time there I managed to buy a CD on the internet which I am sure you would find interesting. It is a compilation of a magazine published by the prisoners of war.If you get in touch with me via my e-mail address I will try to make it available to you.
Clearly my message was really directed at Pete Johnson. I tried to e-mail Peter but the message was thrown back at me??
My grandfather was serving on the Edwin Hunter. It was I believe her chief engineer who started the camp magazine.
I think that I misssed the 1 from my e-mail adddress.
I have found a George W Johnson an Ab on the Dearne and a Johnstone on the Winterton.He was a donkeyman.
The originals of the Ruhleben magazines are deposited in the British Library having been donated by the family of Mr Hunter.
John Townsley was the chief officer i/e 1st mate
Charlie Melrose second officer 2nd mate
Just to complete my mention of my uncle who was captain of the Rivtow Viking for so many years, I will add a few details at least.
His name was Robert Mollison, although everyone called him Bob. He was born on Pender Island in the Gulf Islands, where my grandparents had a family farm (140 acres when I was born) but larger in my mother's time when Bob was growing up. He was in the Merchant Marine in WWII because he had polio as a child and couldn't get into the Canadian Navy. I believe he was on (one of, if not the) last boat out of Singapore before it fell to the Japanese. I know he mentioned being in Cape Town or Durban when there was a huge riot with Australian sailors.
My great grandfather John Townsley seems not to have been the luckiest of men. His father William was lost at sea off Treport France in 1872 when John was 13, John himself was the captain the the SS Colne which sank in 1907, he then spent WW1 in a prisoner of war camp and then in 1923 lost his life when the Merville sank off Holland.
Warren the ship could have been the SS.Duke of Bedford left Singapore 31st Jan for England (Canadian Pacific). I dont think the riots were sailors in Durban but troops some 400 revolted about the conditions on board the SS City of Canterbury she was infested with bugs and they refused to board her, (this is well documented) The only other unrest in Durban at that time
was locals were upset when Aussie troops marched thro singing waltzing matilda But lets not forget South Africa at this time had many pro germans
Hello, I am trying to find any information about the brig Areta. in 1857. My greatgrandmother was born on it on a voyage to India. Has anyone any idea where it sailed from in England and whether there would be any details of passenger lists. I know it sank in 1878 but no other details. Thank you
On February 10th I responded to a comment made by Peter Johnson re the Ruhleben prisoner of war camp. I also sent Peter an e-mail with the Ruhleben magazine attached. No reply has been received from Peter and I wonder if through your pages he might let me know if in fact he received by messages. I did have difficulty with his e-mail address and had a message sent back to me.
hello again pedro, hope you dont mind but I was wondering if you have managed to find out anymore info on my dads brother alan wheldrake,as you said in your message to me on the 19th jan you will keep asking around.I was told maybe guy who has gone on a jolly to spain might be able to help, and also hamish who you have contact with is a friend of guy, could hamish know anything about alan. I await your reply thanks
Greetings JDR, sorry but I have never heard of your family name at anytime during my sea going career, but Billy the Guy might as he was lifelong "Goolie" I on the other hand hailed from Leeds and only got to know the few"Goolies" I shipped with
i am trying to fill in some missing years in the life of my grandfather - Albert George (Jack ) Fitch.
He did time on S S Alt, M V Darlington and M V Fountains Abbey.
I would be interested if any one could fill in the years between Alt and Darlington. A big ask perhaps?
Hi.I am Ken Thompson born in Goole,my father sailed alot of years on the ships known as the Railway boats,also my brother.I am after a picture of the Alt which my father sailed on for I believe (memory not too good these days) for a lot of years.also others in the company,the Selby and the Irwell.My first time on this site.Be grateful news where I can obtain the picture of the Alt and the Selby.
Try top corner this page, click on Riversea, scroll down till you find "Selby"1922 version cheers H
looking for d.n.a of john akinson of hull 1800 bucter and is son
henny francis atkinson mate of the goole tug the crime star
farther of james francs atkinson...... how marid merry watson
of hull link to captain,s in linc,s and hull and scotland tea cutter,s china to britan....ete and like to a chnaese family
Hello Ken, I sailed on the Irwell July 52 -Aug 53 as galley boy and our Asst stewards name was Thompson,in fact when he left I got his job. would that be the same person?I can't remember his christian name. Ed.
To transportman, Ref yr mail of 1.11.2009. I don't appear to have said thanks for the crewlist of the SS.Don! Still no luck with the later career of Walter Maude Dixon. Maybe Kew could help.
Try Southampton Archives, Southampton City Council, Civic Centre, Southampton SO14 7LY. Email email@example.com They do a postal search which used to be £10 for up to 3 seamen with the same surname. They had a clear out of records in I think 1921 and all seamens records who were no longer sailing were destroyed.
I recently found an item about the letter I have relating to the `Fountains Abbey` but I am unable to find out who queried it.
If you can Email me I shall respond. Cheers
Hi Peter the letter is addressed to a Mrs. ClarK and dated 6th March 1962 but there is no address for her.
However there is a "Crossing The Line" certificate with it for a David Clark of the Royal Air Force.
I am trying to track down any photos of Derek (Curly) Cunningham who died about 1973. I know he was on the Melrose Abbey for a while. I am trying to compile a history for his ex wife who is now married to me. Mant thanks.
Greetings. Wonder if Pedro, Hamish, Corby or anyone else is able to help. I am keen to find images of the old " Lanky"/ AHL ship, the SS Don which sailed out of Goole/ Hull in the Thirties and through to the Fifties. I am also keen to find out more about her service during WW2. She had some narrow escapes, I know, and sailed in convoys to Iceland and later in the war, in the Med to north Africa, Italy and Sicily.Grateful for any pointers as to where I might locate images/ and or info on her war service.
Peter! Top right this page, Goole shipyard info ,railway boats, scroll down to LMS, three good pictures of SS Don, I was on her in the early 50s, four or five trips to Copenhagen, happy ship but poor pay, sorry I dont know any of her wartime history altho a couple of the Railway Boats did see sevice in the war as convoy rescue ships, and a fine record they achieved,cheers H
Many thanks for pointing me to the LMS ships archive and much appreciate your speedy response.Regards.
Looking for any information on the Dearne, which was captured by the Germans at Hamburg in 1914...and my great uncle George W Johnson and his son leslie, who were on the ship. They were later taken to Ruhleben p.o.w camp in Germamyand interned during the war. Any info would be appreciated.
Hamish is right -the Melrose Abbey , Bury and Stockport gave gallant service as rescue ships - the Stockport was lost with 300 plus on board and the Bury was famous for her rescue of the survivors of the American ship SS St Angelo
Can anyone provide information on any of the Earnshaw men that where ship owners in Goole and Knottingley. All men were born Knottingley.
John Earnshaw aged 70 on 1881 cen Knottingley on board "Welcome Home" with his wife Amy.
Septimus Earnshaw aged 36 on 1881 cen Guernsey on board as Master of "Vigo". Son of John Earnshaw above.
George Thomas Earnshaw c 1868 found as Master of "The Three Brothers" a Sloop built by West of Knottingley on the Humber Packets Boats website. Son of Septimus Earnshaw above.
Septimus's wife and children lived at 33 Vermuyden Terrace, Goole on 1881 cen.
Any information regarding the men and any of their boats/ships would be most gratefully appreciated. If anyone would like to reply to me personally here is my email firstname.lastname@example.org
Very many thanks for your helpful reference to the hugely informative warsailor site. I have had a quick look and made a note of the website address. It is quite amazing to find just how much information is now available on the web and those of us looking for info owe a real debt of gratitude to the people who have assembled it.I look forward to starting my own " voyage " imminently.
Hi I am looking for information on William Denby D.O.B 1855 born in Wisbech Cambs, married to Mary Moody D.O.B 1856 born in Goole. William Denby in the 1881 census was second mate aboard the S S China, Goole. 1891 census William was mate aboard S S Navarra, Rotherhithe, London. 1901 census William Denby and wife Mary Moody were living at 30, SOTHERTON St, Goole with their marreid daughterFrancis Bell age 21, son William Denby age 19, dock labourer, daughter Millie Denby. Sunday March 11, 1906, SS Africa (Captain Denby) Bennett Steamship Co Ltd, arrived at Goole docks, Boulogne. SS Africa was charted by the Admiralty at the beginning of the WW1 and sank after striking a mine on 15 September 1915. This information came form Goole A Port in Green Fields by Joyce Mankowska 1973. Mary Moody was the daughter of George Moody D.O.B 1829 and Eliza Drewery D.O.B 1830 both born in Goole. If anyone has any information on either families and any history of William in his sailing days and the ships he sailed I would be very grateful.
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I would jusy like to say what a wonderful site you in Goole
I have received this information from the Sobriety Waterways Museum re EARNSHAW.
I thought it would be most useful to post the information on here.
I’ve had a look through our Goole records, and what we have of any Knottingley records and have found the following:
George Earnshaw had the following vessels:
· LISSIE built in 1859 at Stanley Ferry and operating from Knottingley. Partners were George Jackson and William Sayner
· KALODYNE built in 1859 at Goole and operating from Knottingley. Partner was Benji Tupman
· VIGO built in 1859 at Goole and operating out of Knottingley. Partners were Jeremiah Bentley of Goole, Thomas Ramsey of Goole, and Joseph Arnold of Knottingley.
I’ve no trace of John Earnshaw, but in the Knottingley lists there is a Thomas Earnshaw who had a sloop called THREE BROTHERS built in 1803.
In Goole, slightly later, there is a Richard Earnshaw:
· OSPREY, a schooner owned by Richard in 1880
· MANNE DU CIEL, a ketch owned by Richard in 1885
I was wondering if this might be the same family that later had Earnshaws Chandlers shop on Bridge Street, Goole, as I believe they had their own boats as well?
There is a FAMILY HISTORY day to be held at the
Sobriety Waterways Museum, Goole.
A Family History day is to be held on Sunday 9th of May at the Museum – all the local history groups are coming.
This will be the ideal opportunity for anyone with Shipping Families as well as Family History in general.
I have heard on the radio this am that there is a new book on sale at Amazon and all local bookshops.
Local Heroes: An Epic WW2 Shipwreck and Survival Story - Paperback (26 Mar 2010) by Neil Carlsen
Buy new: £9.99 @ Amazon
This book contains information re a ship that was torpedoed and the ship had 18 men on board from Hull.
Sorry I cannot give name of ship as I did not hear the full report from the beginning.
Wendy the book's about 15 year old James Nicholson Meek's first voyage. He joined the SS Peterton bound for Buenos Aires. The Peterton was sunk by U109. The crews struggle for survival drifting in two lifeboats off the coast of West Africa.
A Great Read.
Re:- Local Heroes: An Epic WW2 Shipwreck and Survival Story (Paperback)
by Neil Carlsen (Author)
Here are the ISBN No's for ordering and publishers details:-
Paperback: 236 pages
Publisher: Futures Publications (26 Mar 2010)
Product Dimensions: 21 x 14.8 x 1.1 cm
On Amazon website. This review is from: Local Heroes: An Epic WW2 Shipwreck and Survival Story (Paperback)
Working on the editing of this book provided real insight into surviving forty-nine days in an open lifeboat in the mid-Atlantic. Carlsen has done some excellent research and produced a well-written account of a boy who leaves home, goes to sea and comes back a man.
As I understood from the Radio interview with the author, this is a newly released book of March 2010. Maybe it has been re-printed again with more information added. It was certainly mentioning the ship and crew from Hull.
Also the author Carlsen is from South Shields and is donating all his profits from this book to a football charity up there. He himself lives in Norway.
It would be worthwhile Pedro for you to take a look at this "new" book and then let folk know if it is a different book or just a re-print with added information.
Wendy sorry I havent read it as yet I meant to say it will be a good read . I have it ordered £9.99 at Amazon same price elswhere.
Manne du Ciel translates to English as HAMPER OF THE SKY.
What is a Hamper on a schooner????
I can now give a bit more info re the census for the
Manne du Ciel, 1881 Yarmouth.
Armand Le Gain unmarried 25 yrs Master Vannes, France
Charles Dessier unmarried 25 yrs Mate Honfleur, France
Alfred Cagaine married 50 yrs AB Seaman Honfleur France
Ernest Guellien 10 yrs Boy, Brittany, France
I can now give more info on 1871 Plymouth census for Kalodyne:-
1871 Census : Vessels (Kalodyne) Devon
RG 10/2124 f137
William Crook, married, 37, mate, Brixham Devon
Thomas Browne, unmarried, 33, AB seaman, Montreal Canadian
Peter Anderson, unmarried, 15, O Seaman, Saltcoate Scotland
Albert Elsden, unmarried, 16 [10?], boy, Deptford Kent
Ahoy Pedro!! Can you guys use "kindle" over there? One can get one from Amazon and download any book you wish for less than three pound,pays for its self very quickly(if you are an avid reader)
More Census info on the Earnshaw clan.
1861 Vessel "HOPE":
James Earnshaw, unm, 22, Master, b. Knottingley
Septimus Earnshaw, unm, 19, Mate, b. do.(3 years over c 1845)
Joseph Ward, 18, Boy, b. Stockworth Lincs
Situation Portland ??? Dorset
Can anyone help with info for HOPE, was she a Humber Packet?
Or was she a vessel owned by Benji Tupman of Knottingley??
Or did Septimus own/part share her??
1871 cannot find the family anywhere ?????
1881 Vessel "VIGO"
St Sampson, Guernsey, Channel Islands
RG11 5628 / 44
Septimus EARNSHAW M Male 36 Knottingley,York Eng Master
W.G. DANNEALSON M Male 46 Sweden Mate
George BOOTHBY U Male 19 Lincoln, Eng O Seaman
Edward ROBB U Male 17 Newark, Nottingham, Eng Cook
1881 Wife and Children of Septimus above
33 Vermuyden Terr. Goole, York, England
RG11 4701 / 69
Mary EARNSHAW Wife (Head) M Female 34 West Stockwith, Lincoln, England Marina's Wife
George T. EARNSHAW Son Male 13 Knottingley, Lincoln, England
Polly F. EARNSHAW Daur Female 8 Knottingley, Lincoln, England Scholar
1891 vessel "VIGO"
RG12/921 19 19
Septimus Earnshaw, master, mar, 46, b. Knottingley
on board with a mate, an able seaman and an ordinary seaman, at Southampton Docks.
Confusion re this Septimus Earnshaw c 1845 Knottingley his father is said to be John Earnshaw.
There is another Septimus Earnshaw born Knottingley c 1845 and his father is also Septimus Earnshaw.
Can anyone shed any light on these two families and if there are connected please.
Hi Hamish yes we can get kindle but as yet I havent used it.Will give it another coat of looking at tho.
Wendy I doubt that anything on the schooner was named a hamper. Sailing ship crews and (owners) where a supersticious and religous lot. And ships names reflected this I did read that the correct wording was La Manne Duciel and meant The Hand of Heaven
Wendy my family were the Cawthorns of Knottingley.I note the Question mark against the captain Joseph? of the Manne Du Ciel
This was Joseph Cawthorn he was also the master of Felicity-William & Sarah Ann also the Nancy. The book sailing ships and Mariners of Knottingley by Ron Gosney and Rosemary Bowyer M.A has lots of info including a nice picture of the Manne Du Ciel
and her Master Joseph Cawthorn in Aldam Dock 1893.
I see where you come from with the spelling for Manne Du Ciel, most likely this was the English way of writing it, yours is most likely the correct French way.
Will have to look up this book you mention, got some more info for this Earnshaw clan, will post in next couple of days.
I do believe I have found the connection with Robert Earnshaw, vessel owner/Chandler of Goole and John Earnshaw, looks like they were son and father.
Wendy if you visit www.goole-action-group.org.uk click on social history and Richard Cooper Street 1940. Maltus Gill was living here at No66 with his wife Rose Hilda (nee Cook) This seems like the same Gills
Maybe one of this family can help fill in some details.
Thanks very much for that info will take a look.
Do you know if the Earnshaw's Chandlers is still in business and where if it is???
Wendy Earnshaws on Bridge Street closed down in the 70s. I remember buying two brass ships oil lamps for mounting on a fireplace in my residence at the time. I believe the site was cleared for extending the docks. My brother informs me that one of the Earnshaws who actually ran this business is still alive in Goole aged about 85 but I myself don't know the family.
Wendy note your interest in the vessels Hope. In 1856 schooner
Hope was wrecked on her maiden voyage from Goole to Plymouth. Built for John Arnold
1841 sloop Hope built for John Frear at Knottingley
1837 sloop Hope built for Moorhouse Knottingley
1843 schooner Hope built for John Brayshaw Knottingley
1850 schooner Hope built for Thomas Cliffe Knottingley
In 1846 a schooner Hope built for John Hudson at Burton Stather
John Hudson was from Knottingley this is the only Hope built elsewhere but Knottingley owned.
Thanks for the info.
I have also looked at the picture in Gosney's book, wonderful.
Old Bill has also made contact with me re Maltus Gill, will let folks know what we find out, on here and Richard Cooper St.
I am awaiting a posting to appear on Richard Cooper St, see what comes from that.
In 1861 my gr.gr.grandfather William Lamplough was living with his family in Ivy House, Old Goole. He was master of S.S.Deva, this belonged to HW&Co of Goole, Hull and Grimsby. There might be an L or I between the H and W. Any information about the ship or company would be appreciated.
doe anyone have any information on captain martin muller who travelled from Holland to Boston lincs. About 1966 he worked on grain ships and cargo ,I am trying to find him he is believed to be my dad.please email
For Sylvia Low The Coaster Deva built 1857 was first registered
at Liverpool to W.C Fosberry &Others
1859 Re-registered at Goole to H.T Watson of Hull
1866 aquired by Goole S.S Co
1870 sold to Peter Barr of Glasgow
1876 Broken up.
Re: Wendy Owen's posting about the "Ball Bearing Boats" and Pedro's response.
There is a book, which I am sure could be accessed through the local library, called 'Secret War Heroes', by Marcus Binney.
It tells of several members of the Special Operations Executive
One of whom was George Binney (author's stepfather) who was charged with organising convoys of boats to bring cargoes of desperately needed ball bearings from Sweden to Britain in 1940, without compromising Sweden's neutrality.
Lots of other good stuff in it too.
Hope it helps.
If I may put my two bits in the pot, I don't think the "Gay Viking"class of boat is the one you are after, if my memory serves me right the Mosquito fleet were three all plywood construction flat bottomed boats powered by twin Rolls Royce "merlin" engines aka Spitfire engines, and their sole purpose was to get into the fiords in Sweden, pick up a few hundred pounds of "Ore"(used for the hardening process of steel)and get the hell out, they were flat bottomed so they could "jump" the anti submarine nets across the inlets, and were manned by a crew of three, they were so fast(and Loud) that the German E boats could not catch them, if you think about it the "Gay Viking " class of vessel was not big enough to bring enough bearings back to the UK to keep the wartime armament drive going, it was the " hardening" element we were after and it only took a handfull to harden a batch of steel.Again if my memory serves me right there was one of these "boats" in Hull well after the war around 1949 to be exact but what became of her I don't know cheers H
Does anyone have any information on my paternal family, name of Goodworth. They were all mariners from Goole.
Grandad Joe (Engineer) on the butter boats. Uncle John (Jack) from North Street, laterley driving the big crane in the shipyard. Grandad Joe's brother John, Master Mariner sailing to Boulogne. Great grandfather Richard also a Master Mariner. All sadly now in Goole cemetery.
I'm trying to put together a family tree if anyone has any memories.
I remember a british mtb laid up in hull for ages she was eventually stripped out and towed up river to Goole she became the headquarters of Goole Sea Cadets and moored opposite what is now the waterways museum.I believe she was eventually sold to a private buyer as a houseboat when Goole sea cadets aquired new premises down Dunhill Rd
Hi Hamish re- ball bearing ships Gay Viking was one of eight gunships built for the Turkish navy took over by the RN.Numbered from 502 to 509.After modification capable of carrying 40 tons she made 3 sucsessful trips with ball bearings.
To conform with swedens neutrality they flew the red ensign and crewed by merchant seamen and trawlermen from Hull Renamed MV Non Such- Hopewell- Master Standfast -Gay Viking-and Gay Corsair Commander Sir George Binney RNR was Commadore Officers mainly from Ellermans of Hull.The master of
The Mv Master Standfast was killed in this action he was George W Holdsworth of Hull and is buried at Fredrikshavn the rest of the crew were interned
Greetings Pedro! Yes I am aware of the "Gay Viking"and also the MTB docked in Hull, however the vessels to which I refer were nothing like an mtb, just a sheet of plywood with humoungus engines would be the best way to describe them.We were on our way back to the ship when we saw this "thing"lying in the dock , and my buddy who was Irish and never spoiled a good story by sticking too close to the truth waxed on about the purpose and history of the "Thing", which I promptly forgot, but an incident happened some months later (which exonerated my Irish friend). We were heading inbound from Newlyn to Depford Creek with a load of road stone, doing about four knots against an eight knot ebb,when all of a sudden the wheelhouse windows started to rattle like crazy(I was on the wheel, the mate and the master were in the wheel house)and this large flat craft shot past us also inbound, like the proverbial streak of sh-- the noise was akin to standing besides a jet engine when an airliner is taking off, but it only lasted for a few seconds(thats how fast this thing was moving)and he was long gone, well the old man Capt Pearce , said"that looks like the one of those "ore" boats out of Hull and he went on to tell the story of their purpose, but it is so long ago now I have forgotten most of the tale, I can only remember it being a very clandestine operation, nobody knew when they were going to Sweden, only sailing on moonless nights, etc, nor do I remember how long the operation lasted, I do remember him saying they had to strap drums of fuel to the deck in order to get there and back, and that they had to Jump the submarine nets.but that being said I remember very well the sight of this "speedboat" moored in Hull. Thats my tale and I'm sticking to it cheers H
From my Goole Ships site ...
1857, 247grt, 133ft. x 21.5ft.
Built by Rhoodee S. B. Co., Chester
1857 registered at Liverpool to W. C. Fosberry and others
Registered at Goole to H. T. Watson of Hull from 1859
Owned by John Moody, London from 1864
Acquired by GSS in 1866
Sold by GSS in 1870, to Glasgow registry 9/1/1877, registered to Peter Barr
(also reported broken up in 1876)
Robb has said thank you for the information re Ball Bearing Runs, he still needs information, especially if anyone knew of anyone who crewed these crafts to Sweden etc..
Tis fascinating reading too.
Re DEVA, Thank you Pedro and George Robinson
Does anyone have information on a ketch, Grovehill owned by John Craven.
There is some info and an oil painting in Goole library but more info is required about her and the Craven family of Goole and Hull, also living at times in Newport and Eastrington.
If anyone has info can you please email me as well as posting on GOTW ships site please.
I took just a passing interest in the Ball Bearing saga in your pages. I was surprised to come across the incident this week. My holiday reading was 'Black Diamonds' by Catherine Bailey, Penguin Books ISBN 978-0-141-01923-9. It is a history of the Fitzwilliam family of Wentworth. One of the family Peter a reserve officer in the Grenadier Guards was recruited by the SOE and took part in 'Operation Bridford'. There is an account of the operation regarding the MTBs and some crew members involved in the Swedish ball bearing missions on pages 325/330.
Message for Glynne Hughes re yours of Feb 2009 and your grandfather John William Hughes. I am trying to trace a Will Hughes and Ted Hughes who may have connections with Tuke/Holliday/Beighton families living in Goole in the early 1900s. Tom Tukes mother lived in Carlisle Street, but was called Beighton and Tom talks about a Will Hughes. Could this have been your grandfather, I am cluching at straws are you able to help at all. Kind Regards Angela Taylor
Thanks for posting that John! Interesting read, but still not the operation of which I speak, I am beginning to doubt my own memory now, as there is no info(non that I can dig up anyway)on the clandestine operation of which I mentioned, all I can put it down to, is that it was for the "other commodities"discussed,and that it went so far into left field, that now they are trying to forget it, and it is still in the info not yet declassified, and never will be, cheers H
Message for Sylvia Low. Was interested that William Lamplough was the Master on the S.S.DEVA in 1861.
I have William Lamplough in my family tree and would love to share information.
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Reply to Angela Taylor.
I don't think there's a connection Angela. As far as we can ascertain my grandfather's antecedants were from Liverpool. It seems he "jumped ship" in 1901 (aged 16) in Hull and then moved to Goole and had no relatives in there.
He was always known as John or Jack.
I never worked at the local shipyard myself but I always remember a funny story told to me by a young welder who had just finished his apprenticeship there. He dreaded the idea of being there for the rest of his working life, you know, like lads in other parts of Yorkshire, following their dads down the pit.
At tea break all the men were sitting, having their snap. A couple of old-timers who had done forty years apiece decided to test someone they considered a newcomer.
Now then, how long have you been here? Asked one of them. Well, Peacock-proud, he answered," Fifteen years now ". To which the second man fired the killer salvo, "Do you think you'll like it?"
I remember Pedro saying his elder brother worked in the shipyard
from the age of 14 years old.Apprentice driller until retirement at 65.Sheez a working life drilling holes he must see them in his dreams.
Re: Shipyard tales.
I never worked 'in't yard' either but as a regular sailer into Goole (Town and Port) I knew many who did.
One of my favourite stories from someone who was there, tells of what it took to cut a port hole, and there were many, in a new ship.
First would come a shipwright, with his mate, who would use his superior skills to mark out and chalk where the hole should be.
Next came a fitter, also with his mate, who would use his hammer and punch to verify where the hole would be.
Along would come the burner, plus mate, who would then cut the actual hole, leaving a little just inside the line.
After a cooling period, a caulker and his mate would clean off the slag, clearing the way for the grinder and his mate to finalize the finished hole; but not before the plater and his mate checked the dimensions for accuracy!
And this was before they even got to Pedro's brother, the driller and his mate!
Small wonder that the British ship building industry fell into decline!
Hi Gary. Although we have not seen eye to eye on subjects in the past.On your remarks about t' shipyard. I expierienced demarcation first hand being a shipwright and I agree with your remarks.I also think it was responsible for the demise of a noble profession
Gary. You may be interested in the statement I made earlier. It happened in 1961. In the yard that built Gay Viking.In fact I know a guy who worked on the build.If you Google, Classic Offshore / History you will see a true account of my expierience
Ahoy Pedro!! Any sightings of Guy or the Gun?Or have you been away "ligging" in the sun again take care H
Hi Hamish I had my usual 2 months in Barbados. No sign of Guy but I understand hes doing ok.I Had a great time met some guys from Vancouver Island Parksville they enjoyed the rum and I have an invite to visit.keep well P
I am trying to locate a photograph of the SS Don. She was one of the two " butter boats" that operated on the Goole- Copenhagen run. I reckon that she would have been sold for scrap in the mid to late Fifties when AHL introduced the new fleet of motor ships. The Don would have been replaced by the Kirkham Abbey and the Byland Abbey.I have tried to locate a pic of the Don on various sites without success but someone out there might just be able to point me in the right direction.
Eureka ! Many thanks and much appreciated.
These vessels were Reg Hull, but I am struggling to find any details of them. Also any details for both the William Manger's.....can anyone help please ??
Progress 2 Whaling from 1818 - 1830 port ??
Three Brothers Whaling from 1817-1818 Built - Prize 1809, Reg Hull (painting in Maritime Museum, Hull)
Truelove Rig - Bark ??? Built - Philadelphia 1764, Reg Hull 1810 ( is a famous Hull Whaler)
Laurel 1 1810 - 1830, Built Peterhead 1801 Reg Hull 1830
Laurel 2 1812 - 1814? Petehead ? a Steam schooner, both of them
They were all Whaling Ships sailing from Hull to Davis Straits.
These are the known dates William Manger snr worked/mastered
Three Brothers Hull 1817
Progress Hull 1822 & 1823
Trulove Hull 1831 - 1833
Lady Forbes Liverpool 1822
Can anyone help with info for any of the vessels please, like type, size, builder, Merchant, etc..???
I now know that there were two William Manger's - father and son, elder born 1790 Tynemouth, N. Shields, moved to Hull
1815 where he worked out of the port of Hull, working for Ward & Co, Shipping - can anyone help with info for this company please?? He died 1852.
WM the younger was born Hull 1821 and was also a Master and of the Merchant Navy. He died 1871. He was Ice Quartermaster for HMS Steamer Intrepid.
There is a Log Book for Laurel held at the Maritime Museum, Hull, written by William Manger believed to be Snr.
Kind regards Wendy
Ahoy Pedro, if memory serves me right you have spent some time on Vancouver Island before? And wrinkle village aint too bad a place to be from! Most of the Vancouverites move over there to retire (Hence Wrinkle Village), but not the place for me, like being in jail, if you want off the Island there is always a yobo in a box with his hand out"pay me"before you can leave, then the same to get back, and the ferry fare especially if you have a car is right out a site, I digress, the ferry is free to us Oldies midd week, but you still have to pay for your car, and if you are going fishing and towing a boat, you are charged for the overall length of the combination which aint cheap, so there is a little info for your useless information book, keep having fun H
Over a year ago I asked for help in finding ships photographs I could not find ,( about three I think), to add to those I had already found. All which I had sailed on. Thanks to those who found them for me ,( a little late I know ) You can find them all on www.kbromley.karoo.net If you do not want to hear the sea shanties etc, (although there is a good poem in with them) click on the pedigree chart for k bromley and this will take you to my early life and the ships. Click on ships photos and this will enlarge them. Again thanks to those who helped find the last remaining few of twenty seven.
Merchant Navy Day has come round again,a time to reflect on those no longer with us ,of the many thousands of men and women who gave their lives in the two world wars and subsequent battle zones.Those of us old enough to remember do not need memorials but for today's generation and future generations it must not be forgotten the sacrifices made by the MN that enabled us to retain our freedom,this is why today has tobe celebrated as a reminder of what might have been had it not been for the gallantry shown by our seamen.
God Bless each and every one.
I am looking for details of a vessel J.A. Jackson which was Reg at Goole.
George Tom Craven was working on this vessel just prior to 1877.
Can anyone help please.
With reference to the Craven of Goole and Hull (details on this site) there is going to be an exhibition at Goole Library starting 15th Sep featuring the paintings of vessels by Reuben Chappel which includes the Grovehill owned by the Craven. There will also be a booklet detailing info of the exhibition and paintings and some info on those that worked these vessels too.
Merchant Navy Day - David well said. I was in London on that day and noticed that the Dept of Transport building in the Horseferry Rd was flying the Red Ensign I went inside and there was a short video presentation about the MN. A welcome, if modest and belated, recognition by Central Govt. of the contribution made by the men of the MN.
re :- ss Rio Dorado
I have done some research on the sinking of the Rio Dorado. Anyone wanting to see it can contact me at email@example.com
I seem to have missed information about the Rio Dorada. She was one of the ships on which my dad Captain Alec Townsley served during his apprenticeship. Somewhere in my collection I have a photgraph which Allen might like.
Anyone have any information on the Maud Larson, My wifes grandfather was the captain . I believe he was awarded an MBE whilst in charge of this ship.
Last year I went upto Lowestoft to view the SS ROBIN,at that timeshe was undergoing major restoration and was looking rather sad,that was last year.Today I'm happy to say I have been to Tilbury where she is berthed and whilst work is still on going she looks resplendent in her new coat of paint and looks impressive settled on the pontoon purposely built for her in Poland.
My interest in her stems from the fact that my Great Grandfather Joseph Lea was her first Captain and my Grandfather,also Joesh Lea was a 14year old deckhand on the ship,that was in 1890.
hi Pedro, i was looking for info on fate of one of my old ships and saw your correspondence about her on this site written a couple of years ago - 9/9/08 and 18/9/08. vessel is ss Darwin.
i wondered what had happened to her - understood she was scuttled off Bermuda in 1983 but didnt know her name,etc at that time. i heard that she was found with drugs onboard and arrested & eventually scuttled by authorities.
i sailed on her as deck boy & OS between 1969 - 1971 in south atlantic between Falkland Isalnds & Monte + occassionally Chile as well as coasting around the islands.
She was a hard ship but prepared us well for a long sea going career. I still have mates who i sailed with on her back then.
one of the problems with darwin was that the owners built her as a steam ship with recip machinery & scotch boilers in 1957, so she was so expensive to run. only diesel engines on the ships were the emerg fire pump and port lifeboat engine. the brown's steam steering gear used to make a hell of racket above our cabins in bad weather i remember ! she used to roll like hell in the south atlantic weather and as you know we used to carry 40 passengers to & from Monte, so they used to be glad to see port at the end of a voyage !
she was actually known as RMS Darwin as we did carry Royal Mail.
well prattled on enough here - very interesting site.
Hi Dave I recgnised her in Montevideo in about 1959 after seeing her launched at Goole.I went on board believe at that time the skipper was a scot.I was on the Highland Brigade we took mail from her also four passengers coming from Stanley to the UK to serve apprenticeships as carpenters. Yes a sad ending indeed shes now lying off Bermuda as an artificial reef.
Can anyone give me information about the SS Emmanuel Noble. She was salvaged around 1919 by HMS Kilgarvan and other naval ships. I managed to find a photograph on the internet but I wondered what happened to her.
I'm looking for information on a ship named 'Whitby Abbey'. I believe she was used as a troop ship or a hospital ship during the First World War, probably at Gallipoli.
I can find no information on the ship or her service in WW1. I have contacted the national archives at Kew and the naval archives in Canada, I am waiting on responses.
If anyone here has any info I'd be delighted to hear from them.
Christine after her salvage the Emanuel Noble was re-engined and in 1935 sold and re-named Vassos.Again in 1939 sold and re-named Pauline Friedrich. Finally in 1941 she was the Ormondale and broken up in the u.s.a. 1948
Sandra C. Whitby Abbey built 1907 scrapped 1936 no history on her yet re-Galipolli.will keep looking.
Thanks Pedro. Anything at all will more than I know now!
Pedro you're a hero! Thank you so much for your help, I really do appreciate it.
Thanks for the information on SS Emanuel Nobel Pedro. I can now add it to my family file. My grandfather was in command of HMS Gilgavan and I now know a little more about his life.
Gosh, is it old age or late nights.. I of course meant HMS Kilgarvan. My grandfather named his house in Dunhill Road after his last naval command.
I see you sailed on the Highland Brigade in 1959. I also was on her from November1952 untill July 1953. I was allso on the Highland Chieftain from June 1956 untill july 1956 as Q.M. I have photoes of both ships (although they were both identical) I could email them to you if you want them.Were you the person who on one of A. H. Ls fell down the hatch whilst we were covering up one Saturday dinner time in West Dock and landed on the Silver Sand in the hold bottom? Regards Ken Bomley
Thanks Ken I have photos of her in my collection.Not me falling down the hatch I thought it was Brian Addy he was on the Highland Monarch tho I think around 1954 or 5 .
Does anyone have any info on my GGGgrandfather's ship. Capt.Christopher Ingleby Master/Owner of the Garibaldi (2 masted Barque) circa 1865 sailing from Goole (coasting and possibly Baltic). I actually have the handmade model of the Garibaldi made by Capt. Christopher when he retired. It is in dire need of restoration and I need some indication of the rigging. Somewhere there is a painting of the vessel. The Ingleby's owned Bleak House (very Dickensian) that was demolished to build Ocean Lock. I look forward to any replies.
Hello to Simon Ingleby,reference Garibaldy. My mate and I have two pictures,one a three masted Barque circa 1860 and one of a two masted both named Garibaldi.You are welcome to see them.I will ask The Webmaster Stuart to give you my E-mail add. Alan Anderson.
During WW2, a number of Goole ships ( the Railway Ships) that eventually were to become the AHL fleet, sailed from various ports in the UK to Iceland on what became known as the " Fish Run."Does anyone have information or can point me to any publications which covered this aspect of the war effort?
Pete post your query on the "Ships Nostalgia " site, lots of knowledgeable mariners on there,cheers H
Many thanks for the tip and will follow up on the nostalgia site.
Hi All just bought a book today called Humber Sail and History by Chris Horan £13,very good for local history,mainly sloops,keels, barges ring 01724 844247
May I wish all my old "Goolie" friends a very happy new year,and "Lang May Yer Lums Reek"( on somebody elses coal of course)
And you Hamish and all in Canada HAPPY NEWYEAR
looking for any information as to what happened to my 1xg grandfather's brother joe addy, on the 1901 census he's a steward on the ss pearl in newcastle (any info on the ship if possible) his wife blanche(sister to reuben chappell marine painter) and 3 children are at 14 jackson street,1911 census shows blanche and children ivy(13)ida(11)roy(3)eric(2)signa may(3mths) living at 23 fifth ave goole, joe is possible at sea as his name has been crossed off the census.
are there any relatives of the family still living in or around goole or did the family move out of the area as the only death for a blanche addy which i've found so far was in newcastle
Re the Dearne, was built for the Lancashire & Yorkshire Raillway Co. She was seized by the Germans at Hamburg in August 1914. She was lost in the North Sea on 22nd December 1915 when being sailed by a German crew. As far as I am aware there are no specific details of how she met her end, possibly scuttled by the crew. Crew were incarcerated at Ruhleben, but, not maltreated.
With reference to the in 2009 between Marie and Sherrie on convoys OG71/HG73, the loss of life was tragic - there being no convoy rescue ship did not help. Originally convoy OG71 was to take a more westerly course, but, convoy WS10X (troop convoy) was given priority and convoy OG71 was pushed 200 miles nearer Biscay, and therefore closer to German reconnaissance planes. Regretably OG71 (22 merchantmen and 8 escorts) ended up drawing the fire away from WS10X, such is war.
The homeward convoy HG73 (25 merchantmen and 13 escorts)also suffered badly, as its passage was also close to another to convoy WS11X (troop convoy) and took the brunt of the . Fortunately, several U-boats that could have been about were in the Mediterranean.
It is from the above two convoys and convoy HG76 that Nicholas Monsarrat (2nd Lieut HMS Campanula), that he based his book "The Cruel Sea".
My father at the time was being transferred to the convoy rescue ships, however, he lost several fellow Master and Officer friends in the above convoys.
There is a splendid book written by Bernard Edwards on the above convoys called "The Cruel Sea Retold", which is worth buying.
Regards, Laurance H. Ward
cant help with your relative but know Addy family still reside locally. However I can help with the ship.The S.S Pearl was built
in1898 by Wood Skinner for J.H Weatherall of Goole she was a cargo ship of 677 tons. In 1904 she was renamed the UNION and torpedoed and sunk on the 26th Jan 1918
I cant for the life of me remember who wanted the crew list for the S.S Calder lost with all hands in 1931
T.W Sutherby Master
S,Chapman Chief Officer
C G Harman 2nd Officer(Hull only man on board not from Goole)
S.Coult deck boy
J Guest able seaman
E.Knight able seaman
H.Snasdell able seaman
L.Armitage able seaman
S.Stevens able seaman
S Doubtfire Chief Eng
F Sherwood 2nd Eng
H Braithwaite fireman
L G Ellis fireman
J Lydon fireman
G Smith fireman
J Cockburn fireman
This was Captain Sutherbys first voyage on this ship.The usual Master Capt Robert Sherwood had decided to take his annual 3 weeks leave the previous day.The 2nd Engineer F Sherwood was cousin to Capt Sherwood.
Ahoy Pedro! Try British merchant navy , looking for old friends, you had a question on that site
thanks pedro on the information on the ss pearl (are there any photo's of the ship anywhere) as to my query on joe,blanche and children have found a marriage registered in holderness 1949 for signa m addy to friedrich didjurgeit.
on a posting you did on 10/11/10 you mentioned a brian addy was his father named horace if so horace's father thomas henry addy was brother to my grandfather john addy born 1895 in goole his parents john addy and annie elizabeth gray.
sorted Hamish thanks. heard tday your old mate big gun was recently in hospital.Hes ok just old mans trouble I told T Acaster (old shipmate) To pass on your regards as he sees him regularly.I myself off on my usual jaunt wont be back untill april
meanwhile keep a fair wind astern.
Pauline I dont have a pic of of the ship Pearl but will search. I do believe Horace was Brians dad Noted today in the Goole Times obituary that an Addy had passed away I dont know him
but a possible conection is probable.Its not really a common name
Ahoy Pedrooff to lig in the rays again and drink rum??Thanks for the info re the "Gun" and I shall try to eat enough beans to do as you say , have a great safe trip, aye yours H
forgot to ask but where was the UNION (ss pearl)torpedoed and sunk in 1918 and is there a list of the crew who were on her at the time
pauline the Union was sunk off the shetlands.I dont have crew list
but as she was no longer a goole ship could be that no Goole men were aboard.If your relative survived the war he was not on her as she was lost with all hands.
I am trying to get information relating to those ships plying between Goole and Norway during the later years of world war 1. 1917 and 1918. They were carrying cargoes of iron ore which were picked up in Tromso or Narvik. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?
anyone know of the coaster selina c
Hey, Hamish or Pedro. Do either of you guys know of the whereabouts of one, Mick Robson?
I sailed with this guy on a couple of occasions; Stevie-Clarks and AHL vessels. We were both ABs.
He built his own boat, with the intention of retiring somewhere in the Caribbean.
I believe he came from Snaith, and recall him launching his passion, prior to him heading to the wild blue yonder.
I have often wondered what became of him.
Time line? Circa 1962-63-ish!
Ahoy Gary!! God to hear from you again! You did not say which of Stevies or AHL he served with, but the name (like quasimoto)does ring a bell, but the boat building part?The last I heard from Pedro he was off to the warmer climes ,to drink Rhum and bronze his belly ,and I am sure he is doing a good job of both. A couple of "Goolie"names(I assume they are Goolies)have come to light on the British Merchant Navy "looking for old friends"site and they have sailed on a few of the "Old Timers" like Bodmin Moor for example, plus a few of the newer(for me)ones like Leeds, the names are Tom Abernethy and Pete Risebury,any chance you know them, I don't ,but then I was a Leeds lad, and my seatime was from49/57 before the newer AHL came on line, another old timer was the William Cash remember that old plodder?Aye Yours H
Re: "Sellina C"
This vessel did many trips Rotterdam to Goole in the 1980's
carrying Chinese transhipment cargo.
This was the vesssel that drifted away from Victoria Pier and sailed through Hook railway bridge with no one at the wheel
Och-aye the noo! Hamish. Thanks for your input regarding my posting about one Mick Robson.
I guess I started my Goolie experience just as you was going on to better things.
My first AHL ship was the Byland Abbey, which I joined on 17 Nov. 1959. That was my initiation into the world of short haul vessels, having been 'Deep sea' before that.
Of the two guys you mentioned, only Pete Risebury rings a bell.
Last I heard, Pete was the steward of the RAOB (Buffs) club in Goole.
As far as my original posting goes, I sailed with Mick Robson on the 'Steyning' (Stevie-Clarks) and the MV York (AHL) circa
All the best Hamish.
'Bye for the noo!
Greetings Gary !! I had the great experience of sailing in several of stevies Petworth(old coal burner) Seaford, and the Beeding, The other regular runners to Goole in my time were, Henfield ,and the Broadhirst, but for the life of me I can not remember ever seeing the Steyning in Goole, I have it in my head she was too big(thats what old age does for one)and my AHL experiences were Don, Blyth, and Aire, however they were all desperation "run jobs" taken to fill in between something worth more money so to speak, the AHl and old "jock" the union guy had an understanding and "bent" the agreement where the "railway" boats were concerned ie time off in port for overtime worked, ok if you were a local "Goolie"but for us lads from "away"no good at all, just more time in Charlies, even the old Grangetoft (remember that old tub) was better moneywise, she did get to where she was going in the fullness of time, even fed better than BTC. I have not heard Pedros dulcid tones for quite a while, hope he has not run into a bottle of rhum he couldn't handle, or worse still, tried to "ligg" in a patch of quicksand, but na a goolie wouldn't be that daft would he?so take care gary and stay away from that 'cheap beer"
Hi again Hamish:
Nice to hear from you regarding all the old Stevie-Clark ships. I do remember the ones you mentioned, Seaford, Beeding etc, but they were gradually being phased out, replaced by the Lancing and Steyning and such. The Steyning and Ardingly (my last ship) were the only two I actually sailed on, although I did sign on the Pulborough in 1959 but paid off sick before she sailed.
You must remember some of the lads I sailed with at the time;
Harry Skinner, Fred Bird, Don Parvin (Stevies) and George Woof, George Wright, Les Fallas etc.(AHL). All now sadly crossed the bar (I think).
Incidentally, I, same as you am not a true blue Goolie. I came from "Yon side o' Donny". I only became a Goolie by marriage.
I just got back from a week in Cuba so I have an idea how Pedro is suffering LOL!
We came back from 85+ to -10 within three hours. Up to the
armpits in snow. C'est la vie!
Anyway, that's all for now Hamish; I'm off out for some of that cheap ale and watch footy.
More lamp swinging later.
It is 71 years to the day since my dad was lost when his ship was sunk by EA off the coast of Norway.For sometime I have been trying to research his family but it was only recently,with the help of a lady based in Saltmarshe that I was able to trace the Jackson family back to the 18th century.
The one thing I cannot source is the record of my grandfathers war service during WW1 so if any one can help I'd be obliged. My grandfathers name was David Jackson (Capt)1879-1948. Worked for Aire & Calder. One time Jetty master Blacktoft and assis Dock Master at Goole in the 30's.
Thank you, David LJ.
I managed to get the Guildhall Library in London who hold the LLoyds lists to search for my grandfather and great grandfather's records. They did two free searches and then I remember paying for extra records. I understand that this library has now merged with the London Metropolitan Archives and am unsure how they work. You can of course find the details on the internet and ring them.
to david lea-jackson
I don't know if you have looked on the national archives web site documents on line section because on it you will find a ww1 merchant seamens medal index card for your grandfather(b1879 goole) he was awarded the mercantile marine medal and british war medal, you might already have this information if not hope it helps with your research
Another thought re your grandfather's WW1 records. I spent ages looking for those of my grandfather and then discovered that his ship was interned in Germany on the first day of the war.. it was in Hamburg at the time. With quite a number of Goole seamen he spent the war interned in Ruhleben camp. This might be another line to try. Some seamen of course were sent to other camps. I'm unsure where the records can be found... maybe National Archives.
Christine/Pauline,Thankyou for your guidence.I have been intouch with the LMA and now await their responce and will let you know the outcome.
Does any one know Suzanne Fletcher who has a posting on "Movers and Shakers" reference Sparta.I would like to hear from her.
Did anyone know or who have relatives who knew Mary A.Townsley (nee Harrison) wife of Captain John William Townsley. My grandfather lived at 78 Dunhill road Goole until his death in 1965.His wife died in 1955.
Hi, I was looking for info on butterboats and yours was the only site that came up with a link :)
Any suggestions where I can find more info please?
Ahoy RS What would you like to know about the "butter boats"? Pose your questions and I am sure there are those on site who are able to answer and if not can at least point you in the right direction cheers H
Christine/Pauline,I have rec'd word from the LMA that they have not been able to find any trace of my paternal grandfather or for that matter,my dad.This I find odd because I gave them all the relevant information as requested.I will now sit back and consider other avenues.
DUTCH Diver PATRICK SLOOT
I understand Patrick posts here. If anyone has his email address I would be very grateful. Regarding his dive on the SS Ralph Creyke. My Grandfather Matthew Gofton was on board.
Re Shuffleton Streets 2/9/2007
My Grandfather Matthew Gofton ( Jack ) served on board the SS Ralph Creyke. Very grateful for any info regarding the ship & crew. mikegunnill@mac(DOT)com Thank you.
Re George Robinson & SS Ralph Creyke.
Could you email me please, searching for pictures. My grandfather served on board the RC.
Grateful of your help Thank you. mikegunnill@mac(DOT)com
for david-lea-jackson. re your grandfathers ww1 service records, just read an article in a family history magazine about the courage of british merchant seamen in both world wars. quoting from the article for ww1 merchant navel research, crew lists are your best hope for finding out in detail how your ancester passed the war years. they tell you the names of every crew member,age, place of birth, previous ship served on etc.so with luck you can use the 'previous ship served on' to keep tracing back someone's seafaring career and build up a list of their ships. most of these records are in the maritime archives in newfoundland,national maritime museum greenwich
holds the majority of the 1915 records and the TNA has kept a small randon selection. there are no specially created wartime service records for merchant seamen in ww1, but some seamen did enlist with the royal navy. it might be worthwhile consulting the register of seamens services (ADM188)which is available on documents on line. hope the above info might help you further with your research.
My great granduncle, Thomas Kitwood, b.1837 Blakeney Norfolk and d. 1905 Goole, was a Master Mariner, as were many others of the family.
Can anyone offer any advice as what ships he might have commanded or sailed from the Port of Goole.
Any help would be appreciated.
John F Woolley
Pauline,many thanks for the thaught you have given to my quest.I continue to plod on and I can assure you it is a plod.
FAO Roughseas - the "butter boats" where the Goole -Copenhagen ships of Associated Humber Lines (AHL) - the last 2 being the MV Byland Abbey and the MV Kirkham Abbey - they replaced the earlier ships SS Don and SS Dearne in the late 50's -in 1966(?) they were purchased by Ellerman Wilson Line of Hull - and will still on this run into the early 70's -as the nickname suggests their cargo was butter and danish bacon.
update on the posting i did earlier on in the year re JOE ADDY found out that he served as a Lt in the R.N.R in ww1 received a citation for lifesaving skills along with other mentioned officers when the american troopship TUSCANIA was torpeded and sunk in feb 1918. he's also indexed on the captains register of lloyds of london.
having found out he'd lived in hull wrote a letter to the hull daily mail to see if any one knew of his family, hit the jackpot so to speak had a phone call from his grandson who was able to tell me a bit more of the family history have now got photo's of joe plus a copy of his certificate of competency as a master of a foreign going ship. a trip earlier in the year to the national archives at kew yielded a copy of his ww1 service record, did a course of instruction on minefield sweep in vernon,Iolaire for cmd of an armed trawler, Idaho (auxiliary patrol base at milford haven) for patrol gunboat kildory demobed oct 1919,
Jack Bowman AB sailed on Grimsby ships and others and his journeys included Goole as well as West hartelpool, Liverpool, Middlesborough Cardiff Foreign ports in WW2, ships for WWi and between 1911 and 1936 approx are missing from our lists. Has anyone come across this name on their research travels please?
Re: The Butter Boats
They were boats which plied between Goole and Rotterdam. They brought in butter and cheese and hence their name. When my grandfather, Richard Jolley was mayor Goole was the twin town of Rotterdam and he and my grandmother made a mayoral visit there on one of the butter boats. Only Danish and Dutch butter and cheese were sold in his shop.
I have been reading back through the archives, and was very interested to read Geoff Depledge's piece on April 30 2006.
He gave a long quote from Ron Godneys Book " The Sailing ships and Mariners of Knottingley"
There are several mentions of my 3 x Great Grandfather Robert STEAD Shipbuilder at Wakefield, and his son George STEAD.
I have been trying for many years to obtain drawings or photographs of any of their ships/boats, but drawn a blank so far.
Would really appreciate it if anybody knows anything about these boats, Wakefield Museum and Art Gallery seem to have no pictorial record of any of their boats.
Quoating again from Ron's wonderful little book, he has information on the following boats which the STEAD's either built or were involved with.
Sloop "FRIENDSHIP" Nbr 110744
Keel "HERBERT" Nbr 60174
Schooner "JEHOVAH JIREH" Nbr 27413 or 27143?
Ketch "JEHOVAH JIREH" Nbr 27143
This boat was wrecked Danesdyke, nr Bridlington 21 December .
1903. There is a long report in Bridlington Free Press of 11th December 1903, The Lifeboat was involved in heavy seas with the rescue of the crew, but the boat floundered.
Sloop "R. H. PEARSON" Nbr 43800
Sloop "ANN AND MARIA" Nbr 24731
Sloop "FRIENDSHIP" Nbr 4725
Sloop "George" Nbr 11861
Sloop "JOHN AND MARY" Nbr 18606
Sloop "Emancipator" Nbr 105062
Sloop "JOHN AND REBECCA" nbr 23260
Keel "NORTH SEA" Nbr 105077
I would love to see a painting, drawing or picture of any of the above.
Pat Cook, Grimsby Lincs
Ahoy L.E. Wheldrake. Of what era do you speak? I sailed out of Goole starting in 1949, and the only "butter boats" (or known as 'butter boats") at that time were the "Don" and the "Dearne"both plying between Copenhagen and Goole on a week about basis, I sailed on the "Don" for a short time ,and as I recall the main cargo (besides general) was Danish tinned (canned) bacon, I also served on the "Blyth" and the "Aire" running to Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Ghent, and Antwerp but never ever heard of them being refered to as "Butter" boats?
Who better to ask about the butter boats than the folks who actually sailed on them? I am proud to have been an AB on the
latter day ones. The Byland Abbey and the Kirkham Abbey; and occasionally the MV York, which used to fill in when either of the other two were in dry dock.
I never sailed on the older ones, as I only started sailing out of Goole in 1959-ish! Although they were still around at the time.
I never heard of the Rotterdam ships being refered to as butter boats, although I did do a couple of trips on them as well.
The butter boats were, as Hamish has pointed out, the Copenhagen ships, who's main cargo was butter (duh!) cheeses of various kinds, and Danish bacon, as the newer vessels had refridgerated holds.
And let's not forget the Carlsberg (beer), which was not ready for consumption at this stage, and so was not on the pilfer list.
(But we tried)
I still remember the cans of ham though, but we only took what we could eat on the two day trip back to Goole.
Hope this fills in a couple of the blanks.
Re 'butter' boats. If you go to the Yorkshire Film Archives 'www.yfaonline.com' and search for 'The Port of Goole' you will find a feature film all about the docks and shipping in the 60's with reference to the 'butter' boats.
Thanks Bill, for your info about 'yfaonline.com'. I followed your advice and clicked onto 'The Port of Goole', and thouroughly enjoyed it. Not least of all because that was when I was sailing out of Goole.
The very first ship on the movie was the 'Steyning', one of my old ships. Then the 'Byland Abbey', which I spent about 11 months on. I could scarsely hold back the tears of nostalgia.
I had to chuckle a bit, however, when I saw the dockers running (?) around like blue arsed flies. Someone must have told them to put on a bit of a show for the camera, as you would very rarely see them act that way normally. I kid you not. I did not recognize any of them either. The ones I knew must have been in the Lowther or the George or Sydney et al.
Perhaps they were actors, or maybe it was shot on a Wednesday (full board day).
Anyway, it was a great era; not, unfortunately, like it is these days, when it is a rare day when you meet a British seaman. Thanks to the powers that be.
Heaven help us if we ever have to rely on the Merchant Navy in crises such as WWI or WWII!
I enjoyed the film too. The shipping shots are great. The section from about 24 minutes in that shows the town centre and the schools is wonderful too. This is the Goole that many of us on this web site remember. One tip though. If your broadband link is as slow as mine, leave it loading and come back to start watching it after about quarter of an hour.
Great film Robert thanks for the Heads up, and like you Gary To me it was pure nostalgia, however having said that, one can see from the film the need for drastic change. The unloading of the Byland Abbey for instance,pork being dropped over the side in bunches and wheeled away on hand trollies one at a time, and on the other clip 'cold' meat being stacked on a flat bed truck(lorry)in the bright sunshine, after some poor engineer has been sweating blood trying to keep the hold tempretures down, I take it the Byland Abbey only had Cooler holds, not reefer holds(below freezing) as the dockers in the hold were not all bundled up, as one would be if the cargo was frozen. I was quite taken with the Dockers "Uniforms" much better dressed than in my day, the manditory flat hat,tweed jacket, and of all things shiney brown boots(which he could not keep from under the heavy lift). but all in all a great film, and as I said pure nostalgia, I wish there was one from about ten years earlier circa 1954
I am looking for information regarding ships sailing from Grimsby to Russia during WWII. My Grandfather was in the Merchant Navy during this time & I have his wedding pic but I can't find the badge on his hat anywhere. The badge looks like it has two leaves going upwards in a semi circle with two crossed swords in the middle, his uniform is navy double breasted with 8 buttons,white shirt & navy tie. My Gt Aunt wrote that my Grandfather had difficult times on the ships travelling to Russia & I would like to try & find his name on the crew lists. I have no knowledge of how to find this information & would appreciate any assistance or suggestions. Thanks
Thanks to everyone who has mentioned the Yorkshire Film Archive.... have now seen the Steyning that my dad, David Clarkson worked on in the 1960s...researching the family history, this footage brings the stories I have heard come alive, such as him sailing past my Aunt & Uncles house at Reedness and shining a torch into their home from the ship to let them know that he was on his way to Goole and would be ready to be picked up!! The days before mobile phones, torch light...!!
Ahoy Paula.In order to get info on grandpa, you will need a Name, a Date of birth, and if possible a discharge book number.I have asked around re the hat badge but as far as Merchant Navy house flags go I have drawn a blank,altho there are a couple of regiments whose FLAGS use crossed swords, are you sure it shows crossed swords, not crossed anchors?
There are a couple of references to Goole and it links to shipping in a novel by Ann Cleeves called 'Telling Tales (incidentally a good detective story). One of the characters is a pilot on the Humber, guiding ships to and from Goole. There is a brief paragraph at the end of Chapter 9 describing the character of Goole. And a para in Chaper 10 about the difficulty of bringing a ship out of Goole.
I am tyring to find information about my barge Flip
FLIP is a Humber Keel: a barge of riveted steel plate construction, she was built in 1913 at the Goole Shipbuilding & Repairing Co Ltd. She appears to have been built originally as a Humber Sloop or Keel, powered by sail. In 1968 she was converted to diesel power using a six-cylinder Lister JK6 engine of 72 HP, which remains in use at this time. In between being built and having the Lister engine fitted Flip was powered by steam however no details of this survive.
At some time Flip appears to have been lengthened at some time in her life and this was quite common.
Flip was built for Hudson Ward of Goole and used for transporting grain for most of her working life by them, eventually she was bought by the barge operators Waddington’s of Swinton, probably when Hudson Ward were bought by Timms of Goole.
I would be grateful for any information
Ahoy Bill just downloaded it to my Kindle (7$)seems like a fair read, altho her research is a little lax, she has the one pilot doing the whole river ,Spurn to Goole which was not the case(at least not in my day early fifties)the pilots were changed in Hull, the Goole pilot was dropped at Hull and the "deep sea" pilot came aboard to take us to the Spurn,and the same inbound,drop the pilot in Hull and pick up the Goole pilot, but apart from that seems like a good read,cheers H
just read the full page from top to bottom what a great read . all that history . keep it coming . merry christmas and a happy new year to all .
Ahoy Pedro!! Have one hell of a good Christmas ,and a better new year,and extend my wishes to "The Guy", and "The Gun", if you run across them in your travels. In fact may I wish a very Merry Christmas to all that use this nostalgic site, and" Lang May yer Lums Reek" cheers H
Seasons greetings to all.I note Hamish that you make mention of Pedro.Not having seen any of his threads recently I am wondering if all is well with that young man,I trust that my concerns are unfounded.
Ahoy DLJ I did notice that Pedro was conspicuous by his absence, but as he is prone to go"walk about" to warmer climes I had not put any great concern to it,so here is hoping he is in good fettle, and I am sure there are some resident "Goolies" on site that can give us a "heads up" as to the lads heath and location, looking forward to favorable word!Take care H
Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year to all.My absence due to 6months in the carribean this year I hope you are all keeping well Hamish I will pass on your regards to Guy and the gun if I do happen to see them I leave again for warmer climes in February and return end of May take care P:)
Ref: Hamish 3/12/11 20:12 hrs - quite right about the pilots changing in Hull roads Hamish, my first job as a 15 year old upon leaving Boulevard Nautical school in Hull was as an apprentice river pilot with the (then) Humber Conservancy Board. That was in 1968 and part of my duties was two weeks on station onboard the "FRANK ATKINSON" pilot cutter at Spurn, our feet never touched land as we just steamed around Spurn and out to the Humber light float putting on and taking off pilots, if my memory serves me correctly I believe the cutters had berths for upto 80 pilots. Their were two watches of 4 apprentices each working 4 to 5 hour on/off for the two weeks. The "WILLIAM FENTON" cutter would then relieve us for their 2 week stint, after that it was two to three weeks at Trinity House college followed by a week or so on the "WILLIAM PRICKETT" pilot launch stationed at Minerva Pier in Hull engaged in changing sea and river pilots in Hull Roads, (I sometimes hitched a ride on a vessel back home to Goole), after which it was back onboard the "FRANK ATKINSON" and the cycle would start again.
My abiding memory of those times is of being on the dog watch at anchored in thick fog at the mouth of the Humber, As the most junior apprentice it was my privilege to be forward, rapid ringing the bell for 5 seconds every minute ('Rules of the Road'), my timing being taken from 3 blasts of the Spurn light float fog horn (which sounded every 20 seconds). I could here the thumping of heavily working engines increasingly getting louder as trawlers came full steam heading for the Grimsby fish markets, as the noise reached a cacophony I found I was rapidly ringing the bell probably for 59 seconds of the minute and then watch as a shadowy green/grey outline would appear and pass across the bow, then disappear back into the mire as the engine noise abated. Seemed to me as close to seeing the Flying Dutchman as you could possibly get.....
Pilots specialised in areas of the Humber until into the 90's, the pilots living in and around Goole would primarily work taking vessels from Goole to Hull Roads, with the Hull based 'Goole' pilots working the other way, at busy times they would cover each other as necessary, the Trent wharves also had their 'specialist' pilots. As a ship's agent this was a bonus as when a vessel was tight for completing in time for the tide then we could get a local pilot onboard within 20-30 minutes, we now have to order a pilot 5 hrs in advance of Goole high water for sailing.
Pilots generally now board at Spurn and bring vessels directly upto Goole, Howdendyke and the Trent wharves and vice versa, (taking them from the up-river berth back down to Spurn). Individual pilots can now be operating to most places on the Humber, Ouse or Trent on any given day, and the feeling amongst most local agents, which was voiced at the time of the pilotage changes, is that this lack of specific 'specialisation' has cost us around 20 cms in allowable draft which can be crucial on certain tides and of course increases the limits put on the ports commercial operations.
Ahoy Pedro thanks for the come back, was just about to get a crew together and drag the canal for you!! And yes Mally B the more things change the more they stay the same! The A.H.L skippers all piloted their ships from Spurn to Goole way back in the early fifties, and you fellows had a "lumpy"ride out there at Spurn at times, the other danger spot(to my way of thinking) was dropping the Goole pilot at Hull on the ebb tide, if the Hull pilot was a little late arriving then the ship was "out of control' (no steerage')untill the engine was started again when the pilot boarded, we were in a bad collision in the Beeding because of a tardy pilot swap, got into a tangle with the ships at anchor off Hull waiting for the next tide up, spent about six weeks in drydock in Grimsby loaded
hi can anybody help am trying to find out what ships my greatgrand father sailed on from 1886 to 1905 his name was John brown and was born in Germany, his family was all born in Goole he was working as a tender in 1920s on Goole docks hope some one can point me in the right direction
Just a feed back on my query made on 15.11.2009
on your goole ships site.which you kindly answered for me.
yesterday belive it or not had a e-mail out of the blue.saying would i like this. It was a photo of the KATE.
IMAGINE WAS PLEASED
glad you got your pic mike.hamish and all Im off to warmer climes hear from you all later i will be back in Goole 8th may but will be taking my lap top to keep in touch
Lucky B====R Pedro!!! we have around two feet of snow and the temp is-12c so wish I was going with you, have fun and catch up on your Rum time!
Does anybody have any information about this vessel? My grandfather was the captain in the '40's/early '50's. I have a painting of the vessel by Reuben Chappell which indicates it was registered in Hull. Did it sail to Goole,was it a coaster or did ply to the continent etc?
The only information I can find to a Matje is an undated photograph on the website photo ship and a reference for 1915 on the naval history site "278grt u-boat attack (presumed U38) 43 milesN byE of South Bishops, rescued". Thanks for any help.
Someone was asking back in 2006 about ships owned by Richard Hickman. At the time of his death in 1906 he owned the following ships (value in brackets): schooner John Martin (£360) ketches Lizzie (£115), Henrietta (£448), John & Mary(£165), Panther (£241), Jane Knox & Nancy (£380), half share in Joshua (£55) and half share in Eliza & Alice (£60). His estate also received an insurance payout of £189/3/9 in respect of the loss of the ketch Try.
It was fifty years ago to the day,12 February 1962, that the crew of the AHL-operated Fountains Abbey abandoned ship 76 miles to the east of Spurn Head. Homeward bound from Bremen and Hamburg, a fire broke out and took hold quickly.Within minutes of his call about the fire to Humber Radio, the ship's master, Fred Wooller gave the order to launch the lifeboats.It was no easy task in the heavy seas but 18 members of the crew, including Wooller, boarded the port lifeboat. As they attempted to clear the side of the ship, the stern rose on a large wave and crashed down on the lifeboat.The ship's bosun,James Cleary and a motorman, William Gilmartin both of Goole were fatally injured.The Lowestoft trawler, John O' Heugh, managed to transfer the survivors from the lifeboat but the boat drifted away before the bodies of the fatally injured crewmen could be recovered. It was three days later that they were recovered by the Norwegian ship, Rondo. Among the survivors were Gordon King, chief engineer;Sidney Stowe,AB; James Dawson, steward; Michael Spencer, assistant steward; and Robert Denman all of Goole.The 22 year old mate of the trawler, Boston Spitfire, received awards from the Lloyd's insurance market and the Royal Humane Society for his role in rescuing two other crew members from the blazing ship.Subsequent investigation concluded that the probable cause of the blaze was spillage from drums of inflammable sodium chlorite which had shifted during the heavy weather.There had been spontaneous combustion when the spillage came into contact with bales of wool which also formed part of the cargo.A sad anniversary.
Ahoy Peter can I refer you back to Gary's post of 14/02/2009 for a somewhat different slant on this fiasco
Memories. Fifty years ago. Where did the time go?
Hi, Peter Hill. If you scroll back several years on this web site, (14 Feb 2009 and 7 Oct 2009), you will see that I posted my opinion on the loss of the Fountains Abbey. I was an AB on the Byland Abbey at the time, homeward bound from Copenhagen.
We were ordered to offer what assistance we could but unfortunately, we were too far away to be of any use.
What does stick in my mind however, is the fact that fearless Fred Wooler (Capt) may have jumped the gun, as the fire burned itself out and the ship was boarded and towed by a Dutch salvage company.
Wooler, having lost his ship and two crew members, was awarded a medal. C'est la vie!
Re: S.S. Calder
I noted a posting by a Mr Chesters in relation to the above but his posting seems to have disappeared from this website. I would have responded earlier but had to check some information first.
Mr Chesters stated that his grandfather, Joseph Knight, was drown on the mysterious sinking of the above vessel. The person who drown was infact Mr Ernest Albert Knight leaving 8 (eight) daughters and a wife back in Goole. Ernest Albert Knight was also my wife's grandfather.
I have a copy of the original newspaper article in The Goole Times from 24th April 1931, which confirms this fact.
This was not the only tragic event to affect the family. As far as I am aware, there was only 1 enemy bombing incident to hit Goole during WWII, which occurred in Jackson Street on Monday afternoon 3rd August 1942. The house the Knight family were living in down Jackson Street was hit by the bombs and the family buried in the rubble. Fortunately, none of the family were killed but Joseph Knight was detained in hospital. Sadly, 3 people from other houses were killed.
Again, I have a copy of the original newspaper article in The Howdenshire Gazette printed 7th August 1942, which gives more details of the raid and the losses caused.
If Mr Chesters would like a copy of these please post a note on this website together with your email address.
Read with interest you information about the bombing in Jackson Street. I was born at No, 17 in 1944.I recall there was a small area of waste ground at the end of the terrace and the terrace to the rear in Weatherill Street extended further toward Boothferry Road. The plot was rectangular fronting Jackson Street with an alley way to the rear and a doctor's surgery or dentist beteen it and Boothferry Road.The site was first developed as a painters and decorators warehouse by the Settles who lived in a large detached house in Jackson Street which backed on to hospltal. The main bomb site considerably larger and was bounded by Boothferry Road and Weatherill Sireet and had a 2/3 feet crater.Played on the site for many a year and it hosted many bonfires. I believe the site was eventually rebuilt as a garage/showrooms?
Just had a look om google earth street scenes and the end house in Jackson street is no.11 so 5 houses may have suffered in the bombing.
Hi again paul:
From reports I have seen there were 14 houses destroyed or severely damaged. But some damage was incurred in Boothferry Road and Parliament Street as well. Although, Jackson Street appears to have caught the worst of the impact. Apparently, some property at the opposite side of Jackson Street, at the rear of the furniture shop/ cinema, was also damaged. As was an unoccupied patients Ward in St John's Hospital next door.
Paul, there was a small steam coaster MATJE dating from 1890 which was with Hull owners 1920-1923 only, that could well coincide with being painted by Chappell BUT she then went to Liverpool owners and was broken up in 1935, so it doesn't quite fit your dates of 1940-50's. I can give further details if you think it might be this one after all.
Thanks for the information. I should really know more about the incident but perhaps I wasn't attentive enough nor curious .
Thinking back you reminded me that the other side of Jackson Street was affected and the hospital beyond. It is less clear in my mind as I think it was fenced unlike the opposite side which was open and chidren in the area congregated there. The end property of the original terrace is number 16, so if the numbering hasn't changed 7 houses could have been affected.
Then we have the even side which I suggested 5 houses could have been affected. On the larger site I think all the properties affected fronted Boothferry Road. The one or two buildings, which existed, when I was young. fronted Boothferry Road and their rear boundary was the access road running parrallel to BR from Jackson Street to Weatherill Street. The end terrace in Weatherill Street is No.2 so I don't think it extended to the main road.
Sorry but just pressed the wrong key before i'd finished.
Across the road I recall there was a fence down Parlialment Street and fronting Boothferry Road with a block of flats on the corner with Dunhill Road opposite the former school. The two end properties in Parliament Street,judging by their numbering and as both blocks are equidistant from Boothferry Road, are the original ones.
It's likely that the two Boothferry Road sites would have contained some houses.
From an aerial photograph of the affected sites you can see a fairly straight bombing run line running fom NE To SW or vice-versa. All four sites seem fairly rectangular suggesting demolition took place to provide more useful shapes for re-development.
Well that's my theory but thanks for jogging my memory.
Thanks George for your reply.
As my grandfather was sailing in the late '40's and early '50's and I had the painting of the SS Matje with his name on it I put 2 and 2 together.From your information it clearly doesn't make 4. After the ship went to Liverpool he must have got another one but no painting this time!!! Don't think I'll be able to find out which one after so many years.
Anyway I am most grateful for your post but it has left me with a mystery.
That's fine Paul, the photo you found is the right vessel as it also appears in the book 'Cambrian Coasters' by Roy Fenton/WSS.
Of course this is another rediscovered Chappell in private ownership, I wonder how many more there are out there! The Waterways Museum has a small collection of them now, have a look in if you are nearby.
Your best plan might be to try the DFDS office/archive in Copenhagen as they were her last owners.
re-Hudson Ward I cant remember the colour of the barges but recall that the lorries were dark green with I believe gold lettering with Hudson Ward & Co Ltd Millers Goole.And along the side Maufacturers of Animal Feed.How ever more recent they owned two fresh water tankers supplying the ships but cant remember the colour
Mick did you not contact Les Reid from Newark, I am sure he will know.
GRACE.. does anyone have any info for any of the GRACE men that were vessel owners, master mariners, watermen etc.. Thomas Grace & wife Hannah are aboard "Louisa". Thomas Thompson Grace was a Waterman/Barge. Walter a Waterman's Mate/Barge. Ernest Waterman/Barge. Lawrence was Shipyard/Royal Navy for both wars before "Renovia" a minesweeper was blown up whilst searching for mines. William Merchant Service. John a Mariner. Edward Master Mariner/ Barge born Selby but lived mostly at Goole. Any information would be greatly appreciated. firstname.lastname@example.org
a bit late in life but i have just found this site and ended up reading about lots of old shipmates. hi hamish.they say you live and learn well im learning hope to hear from someone from the past
Arther Mason!! I was on the Seaford with you (I think)if not it must have been the Polden?? You are/ were from Leeds,and I think the Seaford must be the one, Alfie Whale was mate, and Stark was Master, Jimmy Cooper also from Leeds, along with Peter Olley Leeds were AB'b with us, you had your wife visit a couple of times when we were in Goole have I got the right Guy???
you got it right hamish although i never sailed on the seaford i was on the polden a few times the only steve clarks i was on were the henfield .. and beeding like you i tried to miss the lanky boats not enough money on them. looking through my book i find i got a big red VNC off the steyning but i cant for the life of me remember why i was only on there a couple of weeks ln1962 . must have been a bad boy or something. unless it was fulboard day in goole
iseem to remember most of my time ashore there but wednesdays are always a bit vague. i cant think why. the polden i was on quite a few times over the years but im going to go through my discharge books to sort out some dates
Greetings Arthur OK ,so it was the Polden, don't have my discharge book handy so can't remember dates ,Teddy Eoll was master he left about the same time as me to take a job as a Seaham Harbour pilot, and the mate can't remember his name, spent the whole war in a Nazi prison camp, after being torpedoed in the Bay of Biscay homeward bound after a two year trip(a long time to be away from home)Yes I remember some of your/our antics on full board day them were the days tho!!!Where are you living now? I see you were still at sea in 62 I 'quit in 57 and came to Canada before they caught me for national service,, and have been here ever since, the best move I ever made, lived in Ontario to start but after a couple of years moved west to British Columbia where I have been ever since For the life of me I cannot remember any of the AB's on the polden except yourself of course, the steward Reg Lewis (Gay) and the little cook (hell of a good cook) came from Goole,Reg lived in Poole, the firemen were all Laskars as I recall a great little ship never the less, there are a couple of chaps who have posted on this site who sailed on the Steyning, but I cannot recall ever seeing her in Goole,I Iook in on the "ships nostalgia" website quite a bit but have only hit on one guy I sailed with wayback in 1950 altho I have found a couple of guys who had sailed with guys I had sailed with, if that makes sense, but at this age they are all getting "thin on the ground" did you ever know Billy Guy? or George Cannon both goole lads?
Ahoy Arthur dig out your discharge book and lets compare dates as I just noticed you were on the Beeding altho I don't remember you at that time Benny Johnson, Joe Saunders, and Paddy Oconner,and myself were AB's with Big bill Johnston bosun, Surtees was skipper
SS Colne - 11/12 March 1906: ~HELP~! Does anyone know where I can get further information about the sinking of this ship? I have seen a memorial postcard of it on the net and I would like to know why this postcard was produced - to raise funds for widows and dependents? Was their a memorial service held in Goole and was it reported in the paper? Many thanks in advance!
If anyone is interested, I am selling an 8mm home movie showing the launch of the M V Melrose Abbey from Hull on 16th October 1958. Item number 280902972939 if you want to take a look.
I have some data wrt SS Colne given to me by Christine Rickards (nee Townsley). If you will post your email address I will send it to you.
My 1st cousin (2XR) Ralph Snowden was one of those drowned in the disaster.
has enybody eny imfo on a goole seaman.called robert owen
called red bob . he was a welsh man sailing out of goole. inthe early 1900 hundreds 20/ s and 30/s
my dad is called robert owen but he wasent born untill 1936 he was a seaman he has lived in goole the biggest part of his life
ps his father was also called robert owen who also went to sea
was robert owen. his father a welsh man
yes he was
Thank you Glynne
My e.mail is patricia.honour(at)gmail.com
To paul and anyone interested in the bombing of jackson street. the bomber was fireing his guns in a line from beyond the baths hall area with bullets passing over pasture rd , hitting the roofs someware about the ironmongers and hitting the windows of the butchers in red lion street. You may still see the slight sagging in the ridge of the roof of pasture rd.
I have found an old postcard that I brought with me to benidorm that has a letter that refers to (an) ss calder in 1914. The card was posted on monday 18 may 1914, it was fogbound in goole and posted to winteringham by someone that could be called arthur ?????. Any coments.
Thanks for your information as it now confirms the direction of the raid.I have recently bought Goole, a pictorial history vol.4 by Susan Butler which has photographs of the damage in Jackson Street and Boothferry Road.
HI EDDIE, I REMEMBER THE BOMBING OF GOOLE ON
AUGUST 3RD; 1942 OUR FAMILY WERE STOOD AT THE FRONT DOOR IN WEATHERILL STREET [ NO 10 ] THIS PLANE CAME STRAIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM CENTENARY RD END, IF WE HAD A CLOTHES POLE WE COULD HAVE TOUCHED IT. WE WERE SUPRISED NOT TO HAVE HEARD OF IT CRASHING. HARRY
I never cease to be amazed at what comes up on the net when "surfing".I refer to Rueben Chappel.On checking his work I came across two paintings that have family connections.
My grandfather got his full ticket in 1900 and his second ship was the SS ARGUS.His brother Stephen was apprenticed on the barque "GOLDEN WEDDING" with Captain David Reece.
Your posting has now confused me regarding the bombing in Jackson Street. From Eddie's posting and what I've surmised the attack was on a NE to SW or E to W bomb run. Properties/buildings in Centenary Road, the hospital, even numbers in Jackson Street and 1-9 Jackson Street and properties fronting onto Boothferry Road bounded by Weatherill Street and Jackson Street, and Parliament Street and Dunhill Road were affected. This doesn't suggest a north /south run down Weatherill Street from Centenary Road where no properties were affected. Did the plane you describe take that course after the bombings or before? I'm not aware the bomber crashed. Were there two aeroplanes?
What is your theory or the theory that is yours? (Monty Python)
Best wishes Paul.
HI PAUL, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT MY POSTING IS CORRECT. I ONLY SAW ONE PLANE COME FROM THE FULL LENGTH OF WEATHERILL ST; AT A VERY LOW HIEGHT, HAVE HEARD THAT ONE OF GOOLKE,S HISTORIANS HAS MET THE PILOT OF THE PLANE IN QUESTION. HOPE THIS SOLVES YOUR QUERY HARRY.
Hi Harry thanks for your reply.I'm sure you have a very clear memory of the event.
Having re-read Goole a pictorial history Vo.4 by Susan Butler she writes "The bombs(4) fell close together,damaging the workhouse(later St John's Hospital and now the site of Tesco) and the Carlton cinema as well as destroying houses in Boothferry Road and Jackson Street".This is how I concluded the bomb run appeared to be on a NE-SE or E-W line.
I have just ordered a publication by Mike Marsh in which there is supposed to be detailed account of the bombing.Hopefully this will throw further light on what happened.
My only thoughts on your theory of flying down Weatherill Street at a very low height is why the spread of the bombs was so wide to take in the workhouse,some way to the east, and why 2-10 weatherill street weren't affected but the properties to the rear(1-9 Jackson Street) and the even nos. in Jackson Street were,taking into account one of the bomb craters was close to No.2 Weatherill street.
An article in 2006 in the Goole Times says the pilot Rudolph Hollensleben was recommended for a Knight's Cross despite the fact he was trying to bomb Armthorpe airfield.
The only other information I can find, again from Susan Butler's book, regarding a plane flying from Centenary Road, just clearing St Paul's church and crashing in Dunhill Road and damaging Boothferry Road School occurred in November 1940.This was a Hampden bomber returning to RAF Lindholme.
Anyway I shall plough on with the mystery and await my ordered books to see if there is a definitive explanation.
Best wishes Paul
I assumed that the line of the plane was the same as the bullet path as I did nt see it. I know that the plane was aiming at the tall chimny of the hospital, this was near to the cosy carlton picture house side. I assumed that the gunner was in the front turret. It could be that the plane turned to the east after the bomb release to go home . regards eddie
HI EDDIE, HOPE YOU ENJOYED YOUR 4 DAY BREAK, I DON'T
WANT TO KEEP ON ABOUT THE BOMBING, I KNOW WHAT I SAW, [ I WAS THERE ]. SPEAKING TO A WORKMATE OF YOURS ON WED; 11TH; OCTOBER WHO LIVED IN BYRON STREET AT THE TIME, SAID THEY MACHINED GUN THEM ON PASSING, CHEERS FOR NOW HARRY
Hello Paul.at last someone has come forward to find the truth regarding the bombing of Goole. Everybody I speak to has their own version of that moment in time.'
My memory is still vivid. I was seven and a half and playing on the land that was to become the Fairground in Stanley Street. We were all used to hearing the sound of Wellington bombers which flew from Pollington.But I remember the sound was different. On looking up I saw the 'plane and the four objects dropping from it.My brother who was in the RN on leave ran out from our home and picked me up.Then running indoors .Throwing me under the stairs I remember well the height the plane was flying and have said .That if I had placed my hand at arms length .My palm would have covered it.My Brother Jim later found out that the plane was travelling West To East and was told that it was assumed it had left Leeds The Water Tower was the target. also ,it needed height to clear the Barrage Baloons at Hull
The most amusing account came from an apprentice that I once worked with .He said the pilot could be seen grinning for he saw his teeth. This person is five years my junior. Which would make him two and half at that time! That is my five pennoth
Hi Corby.Thanks for your contribution.My interest in the bombing was raised by seeing a photograph of the damage on Susan Butler's website and I subsequently bought her book which has an account of the event.I was born at no.17 Jackson Street two years later and wondered how close my parents came to tragedy. My cousin tells me that they were away on honeymoon so would have returned to devastation.
Whilst as you say many have their own versions of the event and I'm not going to argue with Harry's account as he was there.
Contemporary accounts from Mike Marsh's book say that properties in Fourth Avenue/Pasture Road/Widup Street etc were strafed before the bombing.Although I don't know what type of German bomber was involved but as Eddie suggested if it had a front turret a wide area could have been affected on a N-S run down Weatherill Street compared to fixed guns on the wings. Two of the bombs dropped on or near 1/3 Jackson Street and between 2 Weatherill Street and Boothferry Road.Again in a N/S alignment I would assume the other two bombs dropped between the end properties in Jackson Street and Weatherill Street and Boothferry Road.
However.Mike Marsh in "Goole at War" Vol.2 states "one bomb fell on an overflow ward of the St John's Hospital, then occupying the Boothferry Road supermarket site of today." This bomb seems quite a distance from the other 3 especially as the bomber was flying very low.Perhaps someone with knowledge of bombing would be able to confirm that it would not be unusual for such a spread.
It's interesting as you suggest,Corby,that the water tower was another target. As I posted recently an article in the Goole Times in 2006 stated-
"Kapitan Hellensleben, who had been sent to attack Armthorpe airfield but could not find it in heavy mist, was recommended for the Knight's Cross, the German equivalent of the Victoria Cross".
Regarding your memory of the events and that you saw the plane dropping the bombs was the plane flying towards you.This is a W-E direction as confirmed by your brother.The difficulty with this version is that strafing in the Pasture Road area occurred before the bombing.Possible explanation is the strafing occurred on an E-W run then the bomber returned on its bombing run from W-E.
I originally thought my theory was right the bombing being on a NE-SW alignments.In NE Diary 1939-1945 by Roy Ripley and Brian Pears it states "Monday, 3rd August 1942 D1066
Several day attacks on Middlesbrough, in one raid, the railway station was badly damaged and eight people were killed. Of these raids, the first came soon after mid-day when nine enemy aircraft flew over the Humber area dropping bombs at scattered points, including Goole where 200 houses were damaged, minor incidents were also reported at Withernsea"
One of the bombers if it was to attack Armthorpe airfield would have followed the Rivers Humber and Ouse and then taken a bearing for the airfield which is SW of Goole. Because of cloud/mist something went wrong and 4 bombs were dropped on Goole.The NE -SW bombing run could be supported by the line of bombs in a fairly straight line from the hospital(workhouse)site, 1-3 Jackson Street and two bombs on the site bounded by Boothferry Road,Jackson Street and Boothferry Road.This suggestion is then supported by accounts that properties further to the E were strafed before bombing was heard.
Anyway I think I've exhausted the topic.
Something completely different.In late '40's early '50's I recall an old eccentric gentleman riding a ladies bike with basket on the front riding around town and particularly down Weatherill Street.What was his name and what was his dogs name? Sorry, no prizes.
harry,paul ,corbybunting Hi all you are possibly right in east to west as poets corner to pasture road would have been in line of the front machinegun swiveled from left to right .
I would consider that it could have been involved in the bombing of hull , missing any targets and going inland along the east bank and then turning east to head home. all guess work but who knows.
Harry, Eddy and Paul. Me again. The odd thing for me is after seeing the bombs drop I spent some time under the stairs.Which could explain that I never heard gunfire.My brother identified the aircraft as a Dornierand later gave me a book of aircraft siluettes which I always carried with me throughout the war. a friend of mine who lives in Airmyn also saw the bombs leave the plane at height. He was also rushed indoors.
One final note. My wife who's home was in Gordon St Was staying with her grandparents Ted and Agnes Hall at 119 Jackson St. Her mother was confined in the maternity hospital at the time My wife aged four remembers a comotion and on coming down stairs in her jammas She saw the front room windows strewn all over the floor. She must have been a heavy sleeper!
I hope that this may be allowed to feature in these pages.A question may arise as to what my brother was doing at home during hostilities. So,because the heading is ships and relates to Goole seamen. It is about my brother. James Percy bunting 1920.When leaving school he worked first at the Slaughterhouse Then the building of the Ocean Lock In 1936 he joined the RN Hisfirst ship being the Royal Oak.Followed by the Revenge.The Revenge went into Durban for a refit So he was sent home to join the RMS Scythia (Middle east troopcarrier) in Southamptonin 1942. His first trip this ship was torpedoed by air but made it into Algiers..He was in Alexandria awaiting the Orion which later took part in the bombardment of Anzio One evening in Aex. he ,by chance bumped into his brother Herbert (who was in the 8th. Army) in a bar. My mother heard of this liason. She was so grief stricken that she had a massive heart attack and passed away March 1943.After serving on the Orion Jim finished his time on the Depot ship Montclare
I said in my last post that I thought I had exhausted my comments on the issue but after further thoughts it would be churlish not to reconsider the W-E bombing direction.A scenario is that the bomber passed N or S of Goole on the way to Airmthorpe Airfield.Because of clouds/ mist it didn't locate the target and so was returning over Goole from the SW/W. Before dropping its bombs a wide area was strafed including the Pasture Road area and then continued E over Stanley Street, where you were, back to Germany.I thought the bomber might have been a Heinkel eg HE 111 or HE 177 but if it was a Dornier a De17? All three have front turrets I believe/could be wrong!
I've now discovered a contributor to a BBC Website World War 11 Peoples War who said "a bomb landed on my house at 150 Boothferry Road". The current no. 150 is on the south side of Boothferry Road between Carter Street and Parliament Street. A photograph In Susan Butler's book shows the United Free Methodist chapel on the corner of Parliament Street was damaged (demolished in 1962).The row of houses on Boothferry Road between Parliament Street and Dunhill Road were badly damaged and subsequently demolished.Perhaps No. 150 was in this row.I recall this site as cleared with advert hoardngs to the flats on the corner of Dunhill Road and adjacent to Boothferry Road School.These houses were also directly opposite the end of Weatherill Street.
I now believe the line of the 4 bombs were on/near 150 Boothferry Road, between the end of 2 Weatherill Street and Boothferry Road( I saw the crater), near 1/3 Jackson Street and finally in the grounds of the former workhouse/St John's Hospital.That pattern could fit your W/E flightpath or my initial NE/SW but as Harry experienced first hand a N/S alignment I'll have to take his account. I would like to know whether it would be technically possible for a bomb on the N/S flightpath to have wandered so far into the workhouse/St John's site.
I did e-mail Susan Butler to see whether she had knowledge of the direction of the flight but whilst having many accounts of the bombing she was unable to assist having mentioned it to various contacts.I've tried to get in touch with Mike Marsh who wrote 3 volumes on Goole at War but the tel. no. I was given appears to be disconnected but he's somewhere in Cumbria with a possible view on the topic!!.
General Enquiry : M. V. Fountains Abbey lost at Sea February 1962.
Hi. I have seen some posts on this site about the MV Fountains Abbey. The Bosun who lost his life in this tradegy in February 1962 was my Uncle. I have been trying to get as much information as possible about this event. There appear to be conflicting reports of the tradegy. The main thing I would love to find out about was his body recovered as there are conflicting reports in newspaper accounts and if so, where is his final resting place. If anyone could help this would be great.
M.V. Fountains Abbey Lost Feb. 1962.
Sorry in previous post forgot to mention the Bosun's name, James Cleary.
Hi Paul. I can confirm that the aircraft was a Dornier DE17
I have phoned Mike Marsh on occasions to clarify articles that he has placed in the three volumes.I think any input from him on this matter would not be first hand has he is far too young to have seen it
Hello Jane. I had an uncle and a friend (both Engineers)who both sailed on the Fountains Abbey. But not at he time of the disaster.
The most graphic account that I have heard from a man who was in the lifeboat by the name of Mike Spence I have his address but no longer his phone number
Hi Jane. If you go back on this section of the site to 12/02/2012 and read the notes from Peter Hill, I think some of your questions will be answered.
A final contribution on the Goole bombing.
I was wondering why the Dornier would want to bomb Armthope airfield and I came across an English Heritage website called "pastcape." The website indicates that the airfield was a decoy.It was developed as a decoy for night bombing at RAF Finningley from 1940-1942. Additionally by adding buildings, sidings etc it was also a decoy for Workham Main Colliery from 1941-43 and Doncaster generally.
The Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross was the highest award of Germany to recognize extreme battlefield bravery or successful military leadership during World War II. Whilst the pilot may have been recommended for this honour if only it was known that the original "airfield" target was of no consequence but damage was to a predominanlty residential area I doubt his actions could come within the terms of the Cross.
Hi Paul I hope this will be my final summing up of the incident. I was once a member of the local history group.In one story I placed in the Norseman was my memory of that day.That was 10 years ago. I stated then that the plane was a Dornier.There are many historians within the group. Yet no one commented.Now it appears a member has even met the pilot! An article in the Goole Times has named him. Did the pilot know what plane he was flying? We have heard about heavy strafing. How many people were injured by gunshot ? Would the pilot fly so low whilst attempting to Waste a load of bombs on a hospital Chimney? That bombload would have been better used for the Water Tower or The Locks. Think of the devistation in both cases. The spread of the bombs meant that they were loosed at altitude witnessed by my friend in Airmyn and myself. I think that there has been too much conjecture and little hard fact
bombing us goolies how dare they.As kids returning from fighting the japs on westfield banks (wessex)Along with harry cross-alec smithson-maurice harrison-yours truly and others we thought the luftwaffe was after us.the plane deffinately travelling north to south.I can only summise it change direction later.I went home to tell mum a german plane was trying to shoot us :0)
Hi Pedro. You have become a sranger to these pages.Those Japs at Wezzaks were a niusance. I remember them well.along with the Lions and Tigers.It is strange that you mentioned it approaching from the North. for Middlesborough was also bombed and strafed the same day by a lone Dornier217.
To Paul. I can't seem to let this go.I have been Googling and found that Rudolf H finally did recieve the Knights Cross 11.5.1943. He was killed by aircraft gunfire whilst driving his car to the aerodrome.19.4.1945.The now Heavy bomber Dornier 217 became in use from Dec 1941 Flying mainly from
hi Corby Iam presently languishing in the sun on my favourite caribbean island until next april.Using my trusty lap top to keep in touch,Harry Tutty got it right re-the direction of the flight.Tip Jackson (later to become my father in law)recalled a funeral hearse in Weatherall St under which he took refuge lol.Harry Cross stating (doubtfully) he could actually see the pilot waving at him.The plane was indeed flying at a very low altitude and unless it gain height very quickley it would have crashed into the old salt and pepper pot water towers.The docks would have been a far better target. regards to all P
One last input on this topic.
From an article on www.artifacts.com it states Rudolph H. was in the 2nd Squadron 76th Bomber Group of the Lufftwaffe. Support for his recommendation for the Knight's Cross was based on many bombing raids including Coventry in 1940, Birmingham etc.There were 2 pages of his raids attached to the recommendation. With regard to Goole the papers state -
' In the citation it states for example : '.a night sortie against England best illustrates his personality and his aggressive adventurousness. His instructions were to carry out a night attack on the Armthorpe airfield, south of Hull, which was full of British aircraft. Since there was very heavy mist at a height of under 2000m and visibility was barely 1km the target could not be precisely located, despite an hour long search at heights varying from 2000m to 50m. In attempting to pinpoint the target, Capt. Hallensleben had used the bed in the river at Goole as a starting point in his various approach runs and in so doing had located a large chemical works just south of Goole. After an hour of vain search he decided to destroy this factory in a low level attack . The attack was highly successful, all bombs landing exactly on target. Owing to the concentration searchlights and very heavy AA fire, a climb to higher altitudes was no long feasible, and accordingly he had to fly back at low level over the Humber estuary.'
As we know Armthorpe was a decoy and not full of aircraft and a chemical factory wasn't hit. Night attack? I wonder how much of the supporting information for the Cross was also suspect. And somebody paid £180 for the papers at the auction in 2006 at Ludlow Racecourse!!!
Nice to see some of the old names re-emerge on the site. Don't get me wrong; all are welcome. There is something for everybody who're interested enough to post as far as I'm concerned.
However, being from t'yon side o' Donny prior to becoming a Goolie, I was puzzled about reference to 'Armthorpe airfield'.
The only two airfields in the area that I can recall, were RAF Finningley (now Robin Hood Airport) and RAF Lindholme, which also had a USAF station attached.
I was only born in 1940, so can't remember much, but do recall a decade or so later as an air cadet (ATC 103 Doncaster squadron) flying on Vicars Varsity bomber training aircraft.
Strange too that Armthorpe should be used as a decoy for enemy bombers, as there was a colliery there.
Were miners considered fair game for enemy bombs?
Also in the immediate vicinity were the steel works of Sheffield and Rotherham, both of which had a fair share of 'Krupp stahl'.
Happy memories eh?
Harry Tutty said that the plane came straight down Weatherill street (N/S) .If that is the case the plane would not have to gain altitude to miss the water tower which is to the SE of the flightpath. If the plane had taken a path from Centenary Road, down Weatherill Street,across the rear service road between Weatherill Street and Jackson Street and then Jackson Street itself (NW/SE) having to avoid the water tower could be right.
However an observer from Thorntree Lane, which google shows to the south of the M62 and west of the M18, was looking to the east toward Goole when the bomber came over ( SW/NE flightpath).This would tie in with the pilot's mission to bomb Armthorpe airfield.
Another observer in Marshield Road to the east of Goole town centre reports the plane flew over the road before dropping the bombs (E/W).
And finally a further witness from Weatherill Street saw the plane circling above so this does not help in determining the flightpath of the plane.This is the first time I've read that the plane circled.
( Above observations curtesy of Mike Marsh Goole at War Vol. 2).
Whilst there is direct visual evidence that the plane came in from the north I can't understand why this should be if its target was to the SW of Goole.
You say it is strange that the attack on Goole on Middlesborough and Goole were by single planes.I don't know if you're implying it could be the same plane.I think this is doubtful.
1 the two attacks both took place at midday.
2 the intent of Rudolph H. was to bomb Armthorpe airfield which was supposed to be full of planes.Why would he jeopardise that mission to bomb Middlesborough train station.Not knowing the bomb load of the Dornier would it have 4 bombs left after dropping 4*500kg bombs.
3 nine planes flew down the River Humber on 3rd August and I think it was one of these planes that bombed Goole.
Think Poirot or Morse are needed to solve the various theories.
The following details are from the English Heritage site "pastcape".
"A Second World War bombing decoy located at Armthorpe. This decoy was originally built to deflect enemy night bombing from Royal Air Force Finningley airfield and was later used for Royal Air Force Doncaster airfield. This was a 'Q-type' night decoy, which displayed a series of lights to simlulate an active airfield. It is referenced as being in use from 1940 to 1942. In 1941 the Armthorpe site expanded and became part of the 'C-series' of civil decoys, operating as a 'QL' decoy to protect Workham main colliery. The 'QL' decoy displayed simulated railway marshalling yard lights, locomotive glows and factory lighting to reconstruct the colliery. It operated between late 1941 and May 1943. The Armthorpe site also functioned as a 'Permanent Starfish' decoy for the town of Doncaster. 'Permanent Starfish' were large scale fire decoys where controlled fires were lit to replicate an urban area targeted by bombs. The 'Starfish' decoy at Armthorpe was operational between Spring 1941 and April 1943. By the late 1970s the site had been given over to agricultural use and no features of the decoys survive. A further 'C-series' bombing decoy for Doncaster was located at Tickhill, and a further 'Q-type' decoy for Royal Air Force Finningley was located at Owston Ferry."
It would seem the decoy was to safeguard aircraft stationed at RAF Finningley and coal production at Workham Colliery for the war effort (and domestic use?).
I recently came upon a request from a young man by the name of Stephen concerning his great grandfather James Johnson,he was a donkeyman on the LOWLAND and was lost when she went down in 1939.If you see this thread and want to know more Stephen let me know.
Hi Paul. just to say that I was not implying The Middlesborough plane was not the same plane that bombed us.What I was trying to say was that a lone dornier was involed in both events. I know that it happened at the same time.
We have I believe run the gauntlet on this event which happened so long ago
On the onset you asked me from which direction did the plane approach me.At my age I knew where West Park, South Park and East Park were. It was my brother who said that it had been to Leeds and was heading home.According to your research that is wrong.
I also stated that the plane was directly overhead when I saw the bombs released. The plane had twin tail fins. Which made it a Dornier.
But a thought has occured. I heard the Bombs hit.'So on a line from Stanley St to the bombsite Which was just North of West. If you could solve which bombcrater was the first . It would indicate in which direction the plane was heading The Marshfield Rd observer did agree with this train of thought.The general train of thought as we know is that it first appeared flying low from the North.so many have said that Weatherel St area was strafed.After which no one agrees where it continued.No one has seen it shed its load during the strafing.Then some one saw it climbing. Do you now think it possible that to gain height was to enable the bomb aimer to find a suitable target. Or has I have read on other raids. The bombing and strafing was simply to create Mayhem and disorder. I accepted Harry's story for like you said He was there. I further accepted Pedro's story. although he was only six at the time .He would have known at a later age where was North.I would never doubt his word for over the years his input to this site as been impeccable.
but the worst enemy to any historic account is hearsay.I have witnessed this quite often over the years
looking for any details on sloop Gleaner built Barton lincs 1828 owner Philander Garrod or company
Hello David. It as been some time since "The Golden Wedding" item. I did a little research on your old friend Eric Heworth when it was announced that he saw action at Dunkirk. This turned out to be entirely unfounded as his sister Enid and his daughter filled me in with imprtant stages in is RAF career I have all the numbers of the boats he served on Some were stationed at Brownsea Island where he was based pror to the DDay landings. His nepew John Appleyard. Saw him quite often after the war at Keadby. If you Email me. I can fill you in
Thanks Paul for your answer to my posting regarding Armthorpe colliery etc.
You have obviously done your homework and are to be commended for it.
My recollections, however, are from memory, such as it is, as I am the wrong side of 70 now, but some things kinda stick.
I did happen to mention my stint as an air cadet with 103 Doncaster squadron back in the '50s. When I thought about it later, I remembered that our HQs were on what used to be Doncaster air station. Right next to the old Doncaster Rovers ground, and just across the road from Doncaster Race Course.
I believe that this was a pilot training facility during the war and remember that sometimes on Sundays, we (ATC cadets) were allowed to use the 'Link Trainer' flight simulater. Funny how memories come flooding back at times like this.
Sorry for the digression guys, as this topic started off as a German plane strafing Goole, but it just goes to show how close we all were at the time.
Does anyone know where the crew of the SS Winterton were interned in 1914. The crews of several Goole ships were sent to Ruhleben near Berlin but though I have a record of the Winterton is is very difficult to make out the prison camp.
This being my final word on the subject
I have looked at all the evidence,Even Mike's book which to be honest I have refrained from doing My findings are .That June Bateman. Marjorie Watson and I all witnessed the bombs leaving the plane at the same time.A line drawn between these three points indicate that the plane was travelling West.towards the bombed area.Not one of us mentioned hearing gunfire.I do not know when this took place
Hi Gary. If you visited RAF Immingham Docks in your ATC days of the 50's We may have met
I was stationed there from Feb '56 until March '57 my job was Boatwright,repair and maintainance of 4 rescue craft. although I was lucky enough to go out on rescue missions and Target Towing exercises. The job we all dreaded was we took out Cadets who were finding their sealegs. but, ultimately left the decks covered with the contents of their stomachs. Leaving us to clean up.
Thanks for the happy memories Corby. I never managed to get to RAF Immingham Docks during my ATC days. However, I do recall a trip out into the Wash on an Air Sea Rescue launch from Boston, Lincolnshire. This was a day trip from our summer camp at RAF Wittering, Northants, circa 1952. (Home of the Hawker Hunter then), Later to become the home of the Hawker Harrier jump jet. Priceless from a historical perspective.
I don't recall anyone puking up on deck during that little venture either.
Strange when you think about it, as a few short years later, when I started my sea going career, I used to puke up all the time. Mind you, I think my discovery of the demon alcohol had a little to do with that. LOL!
Once again, apologies for my digression from the original topic.
Hi Gary. you certainly had a much longer journey from Donny to Boston Over 70 miles. where Immingham is about 40.Which is why I thought my place. all the Marine units were similar Blyth,Brid,Boston Immingham was unique as because it was dock bound. Meaning going out through the locks Ships entering were supposed to give priority to us going out. but on one occasion this did not happen when a Sea Venom ditched The lockmaster made us wait. We arrived on the scene and the pilot was living . but died on the way back.It always seems to kick up rough in the Humber Estuary .Which I think is why the Cadets suffered on that occasion.Neptune Bombers were used to bomb our targets. They would cross abeam of our course and dropped a bomb equadistant of the target.But, then turn about and strafe the target.I use to think this was mean for it was my job to repair them. but I was told it was also gunnery practice.after the exercise we would pick up the Cod that floated up stunned by the bombing. It was a sad day for me when I was posted to Calshot Southampton.Which was a maintainance unit. Little excitement there
Hello Corby,As you say,it's been a long time however despite things dropping off or failing to respond to instructions we're still here therefore I would value any further info on Eric.
Trust you are well,
Hello David. I knew that you may be interested in Eric As you once said ,He was like a father to you I had no way of contacting you. But here goes.My intrest in Eric came about when I read about his involvement at Dunkirk. Because I was in contact with JOYCE his sister.You may already know Joyse was married to Mr. Flemming the furnture shop owner. Sheis also my friend John Appleyard's aunt. joyce and I wrote to each other about things Goole related I asked Joyce about Eric's service life.as I was also in the Air/Sea/Rescueand once a member of the club knew contacts .Joyce told me that she would ask Eric's daughter Anita for info' I have a letter from Anita in which are all the numbers of craft.Names of his associates and a letter of comendation
from Air OfficerCommanding Bomber Command
"The cooperationof the above mentioned vessels under your command was instrumental in saving 21 aircrews. It is requested that the thanks of the directorate of air Sea Rescue services may be passed to all concerned
23/9/1941" There is a plaque with Eric's name on it at RNLICromer he was picked up after a conciderable time in the water. My contacts came up with Most of the boats were at Shetlands. but during the D Day Landings Eric was stationed at Brownsea Island Poole. so he was there on DDay .So,he certainly made his mark
I am trying to find the origins of a newspaper article with the only surviving picture of my grandfather. It is dated Friday,Dec 1939. The article is titled " LOSS OF THE GOOLE STEAMER COREA Eight local victims of mine". I am at a loss to find more information on this, which I find remarkable as, luckily my grandad was one of the survivours, but tragically nine men were lost!! Can anyone please help??
Can't help you with the newspaper article but the website "wrecksite" states :-
"On 8/12/1939 the cargo steamer Corea was on passage from Boulogne to Goole with a general cargo including wool, copper,and motors when she foundered and was lost after striking a mine 2 miles north of Cromer Light"
The vessel was built in 1895 by Earles Shipbuilding and Engineering Company in Hull.The last owner was General Steam Navigation Co.Ltd London and the previous owner was Bennett Steamship Co.Goole.
The website warsailor.com has the following :-
"Tower Hill Memorial Panel 31.
HARRISON, Donkeyman, ARTHUR, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 32. Son of John William and Alice Harrison; husband of Nora Doreen Harrison, of Goole, Yorkshire.
HOSKING, Able Seaman, JAMES, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 58. Son of Mr. and Mrs. William Henry Hosking; husband of A. M. Hosking, of Goole, Yorkshire.
MILLER, Chief Engineer Officer, HUGH, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 58. Husband of E. A. Miller, of Goole, Yorkshire.
NEEDHAM, Master, HARRY, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 33. Son of Harry and Ada Needham; husband of Winifred Triss Needham, of Goole, Yorkshire.
THORNTON, Fireman, ROBERT, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 29. Son of Mr. and Mrs. Robert Thornton; husband of Florence Harriet Thornton, of Scarborough, Yorkshire.
TOMLINSON, Fireman, JOHN WILLIAM, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 62. Son of John and Mary Tomlinson, of Leeds, Yorkshire; husband of Amy Cecilia Tomlinson. of Goole. York-shire.
WATMOUGH, First Mate, HENRY, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 26. Son of Charles Henry and Alice Watmough.
WILSON, Second Engineer Officer, CHARLES, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 56. Son of Thomas and Mary Emma Wilson; husband of Nina Annie Wilson, of Goole, Yorkshire".
Many thanks Corby for the update.It's all part of lifes tapestry.
Seeing as how there does not seem to be anything happening on the site at the present moment, I would like to wish one and all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. It's only three weeks away folks.
All the best to you all.
Touch base with you all later.
Ahoy Gary! All the very best to you and yours also,and to all the other"Goolies" that post on this site, and to Pedro, George Cannon, and Billy Guy,you all have a great Christmas. with many more to come
Its never too early Gary!Seasons greetings to you and every one who looks in on this site,where ever you might be.
Now I need some help.I have found on the net a photo,part of the Stan Threadgould collection.It shows the REMUS tied up and a figure of a man in a dingy,I have every reason to think that this man is my grandfather captain Joseph Lea,he was skipper of the REMUS when she was sunk in 1918.If possible I would like a copy of said photo.
Many thanks David L-J
David, no doubt you have Googeled SS Remus, if not ,there are a couple of good photos of her, one taken by Gooles own Charlie Hill (but that is not what you are after) there are however a couple of Email addresses on those sites which may help in your search. It is interesting to note that one site has her hitting a mine, while the other says she was torpedoed, but both agree that there were five men lost
Good evening Hamish,Thanks for responding to my query ref my g/f's ship.I have infact a copy of the report concerning the sinking in which my g/f made mention of seeing a flock of seagulls circling an area someway from the REMUS and from what he says this was a sure sign of a sub being in the area.
Words cannot descri be my feelings Hamish when I came upon this particular photo and recognised the man in the dingy as being my grandfather.When my dad was lost at sea in 1940 Joseph took me under his wing and taught me true values. Take care my friend.David.
Seasons Greeting to all from Sunny Barbados wont be back in Goole till next april shipmates have good one regards from the island were coca cola is more expensive than the rum
I just noticed in my post that the photo was credided to Gools Charlie Hill, If the ship was sunk in 1918,and it is now 2012, is Charlie still around?
Hi Hamish, Yes Charlie is still around, he's my mother in law's 2nd cousin. He's good but not that good that photo was taken 10 years before he was born.
regards to all goolies and x goolies from benidorm and remembers me living above richardsons shop at the junction of red lion street and pasture road. 20 c high /12 c low today, not as high as barbados but a little warmer than uk. rain not in sight much last year. best wishes for 2013 to you all.
Hi, would anyone be able to help me locate my late Uncle's grave. I am trying to find where he was buried presumbly in the Goole area. He lived in St. Georges Terrace, Goole. His wifes name Sheila Rockett and he had a son who both survived him. He died at sea 12th February 1962 adrift in lifeboat belonging to the MV Fountains Abbey but was found and buried. I am aware he was remembered by the Goole and Mariners' Association at a Memorial Service held in 2011 at the Seamans Memorial, Memorial Gardens, Hook Road, Goole. A dedication read by a Mr. T. F. Dobson, J.P. I do not live in the UK so any leads or help here would be very much appreciated.
With regard to my earlier posting today (4th Jan) searching for information on burial place of my late Uncle and in my eagerness forgot the most important part, my Uncle's name, James Cleary, Bosun on the MV Fountains Abbey in 1962.
Thanks for that Transportman, Glad to hear Charlie is still on the right side of the grass !He has taken some fantastic nostalgic photos over the years, and thanks to him(and others) I have most photos of the colliers I sailed on out of Goole. But I did think it was streching it a bit to credid that picture to him
hi jane try looking on - find a grave - start with goole cemetary then your uncles name i found some of my family graves this way hope this helps regards trev
jane sheila rockets sister maureen linington still lives in goole im sure you will find all the info from her only a phone call away try directory online think she lives in ilkeston avenue goole.
Hamish charlies photos should read credited to his collection lol
you and I sailed on lanky boats built before the bleeding titanic
Irwell and Alt in my case.we sailed after WW2 especially to Hamburg and Bremen in the early 50s thro unswept minefields
keep a good lookout
Greetings Pedro! You are correct,we did run a bit of a risk on the old Lanky boats, The Don, Aire, and Blyth, in my case.Hamburg, Ghent, and Antwerp were the scary bits,circa 1949-50 and a little later, but it was the loose ones that bothered me, one could meet them anywhere,and did
Jane. Maureen Linnington 8 Charles Drive Goole DN146RJ
For Jane if the phonebook doesnt help try emailing The Goole Times with your query.This helped someone finding me after 35 years
Hamish I forgot the old Macclesfield Mr Shay of the shipping federation in East Parade sent me to join her in Hull at the riverside quay.Got my rail pass signed on in Postern Gate then sailed to bleeding Goole.3 days later was in Rotterdam old Shay had a bit of a sadistic streak.
Yes Pedro old Shay was a bit of a wag,he sent me to North Shields to join the Ivybank, told me it was a, load in the continent and sail for New York, be away about two months and home for Christmas, never saw the sky over Blighty for nineteen months, I was a litle green in those days and had never heard of Bank Boats,but I did get even in later years, my wife got very ill, and I quit the sea for a trainee job down the pits, well he sent the cops after me to do my national service, but they could not touch me as mining was also exempt, I lasted about a year down Water Haig colliery then took a jump job on the Aire, and never went near the poole office again
Jane, regarding your query about James Cleary. He is buried in Goole if you email me at email@example.com I'll send you more detail. His son was it Ian? I last saw him about 4 years ago when I was delivering to Hazlewood's.
Yo, Hamish and Pedro, that nice Mr shay was in charge of the poole (East Parade, Goole) when I finished my TS Vindicatrix training in 1957. My first ship was the British Bulldog, (BP tanker out of the Isle of Grain) from the Tilbury pool.
30 days at sea around the Cape of Good Hope and up the East coast of Africa, to Mena al Ahmade (Kuwait); 12 hours of loading crude and another 30 days back again.
The Suez Canal was still closed to shipping due to that nice man Mr Nasser at the time.
That nice Mr Shay Gave me s**t when I reported back to the pool. He said we can't be paying off ships just because we didn't like them, or the run.
No need for me to elaborate.
I just hope that Mr Shay is spending his eternal retirement with the men he sent to their deaths during the WWII era.
PS Smithy was OK!
Ahoy Gary I did that trip a couple of years ahead of you, just in time to get thru the canal before they closed it, on the British Splendour, I also joined in the isle of Grain, signed on in Tilbury and taxi(with four other bods)to Grain.While waiting in the Tilbury shipping office for the other crew to arrive skint as usual, I met a fellow from the Isle of Mann who was also unfortunate enought to be joining the Splendour. I could murder a pint says I, well I got a pound says he ,lets go and get one, so off we went to the nearest pub(its name escapes me)and order two pints, which the barman pours and puts on the bar, well Manxie (thats what we called him at sea)pulls out his pound note, which turned out to be a manx pound, the bar man picked up his two pints and says" We dont take foriegn money here"so we never got our pint, and we got s--t from the shipping master for "escaping" and keeping the taxi waiting, the other crew had arrived while we were in the pub.We did however get an advance on reaching Grain and spent it all in the"Cat and Cracker"and that is one long walk from the pub back to the ship
Hello Hamish.Athough I did not join the band of men which went to sea,which we read about in these pages. I knew most of them whilst growing up in Goole One of my best friends Alan Bedford "fell overboard "in the Red Sea.There was never an explanation how this came about.I think we are possibly the same vintage Hamish 1934 and you may have known him .
Whilst in Goole attending the funeral of a dear friend in September . I read in the orbituaries the death of the wife of Des Darragh signed Darkie. I am sure you know of Darkie .but did you know Des. He has been gone some time now.i enjoy reading your posts and hope they keep coming in
Ahoy Corby! I am afraid the names you mention are not known to me, but keep in mind altho' I shipped out of Goole, I did not spend all that much time "in" Goole, I was a Leeds lad, and as soon as the ship hit the dock, I was high tailing it for the Leeds bus,and got back aboard just prior to sailing The railway boats were in a class by themselves however and there was some forced time in Goole, but that was mainly spent in" Charlies"or "Melodies"chasing the local "talent"My two buddies who were Goole lads, were George Cannon, and Billie Guy, don't know what happened to George, but Billie got taken on in the docks and quit the sea.The only other name I can recall in Goole was the surname Rocket, one of the girls in Melodies, and I sailed with a fellow named Rocket(they were not related), but then that is a long time ago I predate you by a couple of years by the way so thats my excuse for a fussy memory take care H
Hi Corby and Hamish:
Regarding your buddy who fell overboard in the Red Sea, Corby. The trip I did on the British Bulldog was pretty uneventful. However, the previous trip was marred by the loss of a crew member in the Red Sea. He was the 2nd Steward and he just disappeared one night. No explanation ever came forth.
I don't know if there is any connection between the two. I joined her in March, 1957. However, she had just come out of dry-dock, having had an explosion in one of her tanks, so maybe it would have been early 1956-ish when this incident occurred.
The name of Darragh also rings a bell. I recall brothers Percy and Regie. Percy ran the Burlington pub and when he retired, Reg took it over. I don't know if there is any family connection here to the one mentioned.
Could the 'Darkie' you mentioned be Darkie Pratt, another ex-seaman turned docker? I remember him well, his brother Ginner too. They used to drink in the Peacock Hotel (among others).
Billy Guy was on the docks when I sailed out of Goole Hamish, but George Cannon stayed at sea until he retired, although I never got to sail with him. He moved to the east coast; Hornsea I think it was, and as far as I know is still there.
'Sall for now folks, See ya!
Hi Hamish and Gary.all interesting stuff for me to hear Hamish I believe you were talking of John Rocket who went to sea about the time of Alan Fielder, and alan Wheldrake but I did nor know his ship. I knew him from out of Marshfield and his Dad was ex MN his name was joe and I believe he died in the early 50,s
You mentioned Chasing Talent While you were busy in Goole I spent time mostly in Leeds Mecca Locarno, Donny at Berry's. Bullars and the Coop. also Hull at City Hall Happy days although I did marry a Goole girl and we have recently celebrated our Emerald anniversary
Gary. I think it was my old mate on the British Bulldog for the time ties in.Darkie I knew as Les and his neighbour from Queensway Ray West went to sea about the same time. At a recent funeral in Goole I believe it was Les stood in front of me in the church.But I did not have time to speak to him.I wondered what the connection was. But My friend Pete Walker who's funeral it was had Mn connections as his Dad Ernie was ex Mn and his Grand dad Eli went down on the sinking of the SS Wreathier
I have just found out today that my cousin, Alan Lawson, died on 7th December 2012. The only notification I found was in the Yorkshire Post, he lived in Leeds, I do not think there was anything at all in the Goole Times. I am sharing this as he will probably be known to a lot of you as he was a Humber Pilot for many years. There was 30 years age difference between us so we were not close but he was so like his dad, Harold (Cappy) who was known to many of you and I did occasionally see him when I worked at HOH in the 60's but wish we had been in touch more so that maybe I could have filled in the missing gaps in my family tree research. He has a son and grandson but they are I believe, sadly, the last of the (our) Lawsons. I still read this site regularly and enjoy the comments and facts and figures.
Captain George H Abson - life lost onboard DISPERSER
Captain George Herbert Abson - life lost onboard DISPERSER 1940 off Scotland.
According to what I have found this George H Abson was born Jun 1894 Hunslet, Leeds, but his father George Abson c1864 was born Goole, his mother was Alice Hind.
I NEED TO know if I have the correct man, WAS this George Herbert Abson the same person as a George H Abson that married a Jessie Sykes nee Hirst 1919 @ Goole.
It is possible he had another family in South Shields / Scotland between 1919 and his death 1940.
Jessie Abson formerly Sykes nee Hirst remarried 1941 to Stanley Marshall @ Goole.
Wendy intelligentwend AT hotmail.com (replace AT with @ and remove spaces)
To Joanne Hallam.. Hi Joanne. May I suggest you contact Susan Butler via her Howdenshire Histories website. I found a photo on her site of the crew that died when SS Colne sank in 1906. This included my great grandfather whose name is John Smith!! Boring but true! Very difficult name to research too! All the best! Tricia.
Just a thought Wendy , but have you tried the archives at Kew for his seamans history? It is quite likely you would get a next of Kin from the records regards H
Hi Hamish,I was interested in your reference to seamens' records at Kew. Did you mean merchant seamen? As far as I know they are only traceable at Kew via crew lists and log books, for which you need to have the name of the vessel. But if there are other sources at Kew for merchant navy men I would be grateful for details. But you may of course be referring to Royal Navy records, in which case I am barking up the wrong tree. Regards, Bill
Hi Wendy, Could well be the same man 3 George H Absons born around the same time, London, Hunslet, Rotherham. 3 George Absons married arounfd the same time London, Goole and Rotherham. Jessie Hirst b 1897, Goole, daughter of Joseph Hirst a boatman on the coal barge WATER QUEEN. George Abson finished a 4 year apprenticeship 1913 some of ships sailed on all steamers:- TRAVELLER built 1888 reg Liverpool; MOGILEFF built 1918 reg London; KNOCKFIERNA built 1919 reg Limerick; TEESBURN ( 1st mate ) ;GEO R DONOVAN built 1926 reg Middlesbrough; STARWELL built 1929 reg Newcastle and DISPERSER foudered during a gale 14 April 1940, Kirkwall Harbour. I'll email you details.
Hi, My grandfather was Wilson Turbull who was master of the steamship Derwent when he died of pneumonia and was brought back from Antwerp by my grandmother Kate Turnbull on the Nidd.
I am trying to find out anything relating to his career with LMS and Goole Steam, if anyone can assist, would be greatful.
Thanks and regards
Thanks Hamish, never done that, but I have had an email from someone called Transporter man, is this you, I do recall this name from some time back.
Anyway been sent some info about him, so will digest it.
Hi Wendy cant help much but the disperser foundered in a gale the ship was in Kirkwall harbour Orkney Islles Captain George herbert abson was lost he was from Hunslet South Leeds age 46 no enemy action involved.The ship was salved (saved) and returned to service
slight conflict with crew members of Disperser are we sure this captain George Herbert Abson was indeed born in leeds as he his listed as from Cromarty the entire crew were lost iam hoping to get further info
disperser sorry what threw me off track was the crew list George H Abson listed as residing at Burnside Cottage Cromarty but on the deaths at sea register he his listed as born yorkshire. From a book called accident now out of print.The following.On the night of april 14th 1940 a great storm hite N.E Coast of Scotland the Disperser was lost with all hands.Grief shrouded the small community of Cromarty.Murdo Mackenzie chief engineer of the Disperser body was washed up on the beach at Kirkwall.The others who died were
George H Abson Captain Cromarty
James Anderson Middlesboro Mate
John Macdonald 2nd engineer Cromarty
Alexander Shepherd seaman and his son Douglas Cromarty
Andrew and Charles Watson Cromarty
Ernest southall Cromarty
John Mackenzie Inverness
John Maclean Cromarty
Robert Spence Cromarty
Captain Abson was the managing director also for the South Stockton Shipbreaking Company.
These names are engraved on a plaque honouring Merchant Seaman in the war memorial at Edingburh Castle
Ahoy Bill! Kew is where you get the records of individual seamen.If you require crew lists or voyage history you have to apply to someplace in Newfoundland, and supply the official ships number, when I figure out where I will post. No Wendy I am not Transport man, cheers H
Hi Robert, Wilson Turnbull, born Newcastle 1880 son of William Turnbull AB on EARL PERCY. Wilson lived at 29 Fourth Avenue, Goole. Joined the Goole Steam Shipping Company in 1900 and remained with them through the amalgamation with the railway companies. Promoted to master in 1925 and captained the NIDD, RAWCLIFFE, WENNING, AIRE, RIVER RIBBLE and DERWENT. His only son Arthur died aged 17 at Manil, Phillipines, 1928 whilst in the merchant navy.
Buried in Goole cemetery in an unmarked grave.
Hi Hamish, I think that is not the case. From personal experience the WW2 Log books and Crew Agreements were stored in Cardiff and they charged you a fortune to look at them. But they have been moved to Kew, the main catalogue ref is BT381. To locate the relevant documents for each vessel it is necessary to know and enter the ship's official number. You can now do this for free. There are also card index files on ships' movements, their catalogue ref is BT389. This is unless anything has changed in the last five years or so. If you don't know the system it can be tedious but the staff there are very helpful and knowledgeable. The only trouble is that nowadays it tends to get very busy. I suspect there are more records in Newfoundland and Nova Scotia (especially re North Atlantic convoys), should you locate them please let me know. Regards, Bill.
Ahoy Bill- Not quite so, put research guide C1 into your search box, or www.rmg.co.uk/researchers/library/research guide/merchant navy/ tracing people, and you will find that a good peace of the records are now in Canada, true a select few, and the years ending in 5 are still in kew but over 70% are in Newfoundland, so we are both wrong, right cheers H
Thanks for that Hamish, research guide C1 is certainly useful. My interest had been my dad's Second World War history and fortunately for me those documents have been kept in Kew. I had not realised that documents for other periods had been dispersed. I'm not a sailor myself but I still harbour the desire to follow in my dad's footsteps and sail in a cargo ship across the North Atlantic to Newfoundland. It is still possible but a bit complicated and expensive. But no U boats now! We shall see.
I joined the ship Pullborough with Billy Guy sometime in the 50s
(no specific dates cos my old discharge book is in Oz with my grandson)While in Shoreham we visited the Windmill pub Billy challenged me to a game of darts no problem he couldnt play darts to save his life.Probobly due to a finger injury caused by Hamish pulling him out of the dock.Anyway in walked Des Darragh Des had come ashore and was working in a hotel in Brighton at that time. I only ever saw Des once after that at a funeral in Goole for one of his brothers.Hellier Darragh is the last of the brothers surviving (or at least he was when I left last year.
Ahoy Pedro, I agree that billy was no good at darts, but he thought he could sing, spent many a night in Melodies listen to him taking off Frankie Lane, and not too too bad a job he did.When you were on the Pulburough was the skipper a red headed bloke, if so, he was "sparking" the landlady of the SeaHouses pub in shoreham(now long gone)which was a great dart house. I was in Shoreham in 2004 (also in Goole the same year) and I went looking for the" Windmill"and if I remember, it was a turn right at the top of the stairs(after the boatman had taken you across the canal)head down the hill past the pub on the right(aCourages house) then up the hill and turn left into a short street and the windmill was across the top, well I could not find the street let alone the pub, I did ask a bloke but he had never heard of it, but said there is a Windmill pub about two miles further north,which I legged it out to, but it was not the old windmill I remember, the pub at the top of the stairs is still there.But the whole place has changed from what it was can't get near the docks anymore, and the gasworks and two powerstations are gone, along with the cooling towers, anyhoo such is progress cheers H
Hamish it could have been same skipper on the pulborough but I was only on her the length of a dog watch.I never returned to Shoreham but have it from alocal guy now living in Goole that the old windmill was pulled down and another about 2 miles away was completely refurbished.Leeds men did you know Harry Bray he settled in Goole (married a barmaid in melodys) his buddy also from leeds ginger haired lad Gordon ? also George Wright who favored the guernsey ships (for tax purposes.A few years ago I returned to Blyth another of my old stomping grounds no power stations all the old staiths gone but good fishing from the riverside quay happy days.
Hamish I once visited my brother in Woodland Ave Goole.Observed Billy G staggering home 2 sheets to the wind ha ha he proceeded to get ready for bed outside a ladys house placed his wallet and keys on her gate post folded his coat for a pillow and got his head down.I went for his wife May we got him home after a struggle to his correct berth.He still has his collection of Frankie Laine 78s probobly plays them on a steam driven gramaphone
Sorry Pedro can't pull a Quasimodo and say any of those names ring a bell,my sailing buddies (from Leeds) were Peter Olley, Jimmy Cooper,(a Londoner living in Leeds)and Arther Mason, Pete crossed the bar a long time ago, Jimmy quit the sea to drive a bus in Leeds, and Aurthur has been in touch via this web page but just one reply then silence.Billy was quite a guy(no pun intended) I left a pint for him behind the bar in the vyemuden(?s)when I was over in 2004 the place had just reopened and I think it was a lady landlord, but by the number of customers at lunch time didn't look good for the future,Billy was a case when he got into his cups, I don't think I have met anyone who could get in more trouble, and get out of it unscathed,he must have a St Christopher in his ass pocket, and I never sailed with him, only rescued him a couple of times allbeit injure him a bit anyhoo take care H
I did wonder if this was Captain Collier who lived opposite to me in Woodland Avenue in the 1950's
Thanks for the Heads up on the obit re capt Collier, I sailed with him for a couple of months(?) on the "Aire", in fact he was in command when she was sunk in the river just out of Goole,He was a Great skipper, and also a river pilot (as all AHL skippers were required to be)sad to see him go, but at that age he had had a good kick at the cat, My ex shipmate George Cannon would be sorry to hear of his passing as he (Capt Collier) had a soft spot for George
Sorry to hear about the demise of Capt Collier but must admit I thought he had crossed the bar years ago.A true gent with a chequered history and unlike some master mariners he certainly deserved the title Sir
Just a correction for my last post, the Collier I sailed with was Jack Collier I think, and was quite a small guy , the picture in the obit looks like he is a tall man? I wonder if there were two Colliers sailing with AHL, Jack Collier was the Commadore of AHL, and did fly an RN flag on the "Aire" however
Hamish yes little jack was I believe his cousin.Who also had a varied career with AHL
Yes Barrie this is the same Capt Collier. I lived at no. 1 in the early 60's and the family were living there then.
Just dug up my discharge book, and the signiture on the "Aire" is J Collier, so I guess I was right there must be two of 'em
Can anyone help? I am trying to find the crewlist of the SS Burma at the time of her sinking, fatalities and survivors. I have a photograph of a crew on which two have been recognised
Hi Corby, re the Burma, if it was a WW2 sinking and especially if someone has the ships official number I could see if the Crew List is at the National Archive. I live quite close to Kew. Bill
p.s., also the date of the sinking, apologies if these details are already posted above, I haven't tralwed through to check
Was the "Burma" a tug?If so there is a good photo of her on Ships nostalgia, showing some of the crew on the after deck
Hello Bill and Hamish. Thank you for your interest.I presumed all on these page would have been aware of the sinking of the Bennets ship SS Burma, Insuficient data appears on google only that she hit a mine off Winterton Ness on the 23/6/16.but nothing about Captain or crew!!
I visit Nostalgia site Hamish but have not seen photo although the location of crew on Aft deck is familiar.The two Goole men recognised are Richard Bleasedale and Benjamin Abson(this man being the grandfather of a regular visiter to this site Trevor Hardwick) Mr. Abson was caretaker of the Archibald Russell when she lay in the Butterboat berth during the last war.I knew the Bleasedale family down our street and went to the Alex with Roy.Who sadly died in 1941
SS Burma official No 98382 built by SB Austin Sunderland 1891
owned by Bennetts Steamship Co Goole 701 tons
Sailing in ballast London to Goole sunk by mine layed by UC 6
(Otto Ehrentraut) 15 miles east of Harwich.
Seven crew lost
Herbert Jackson Fireman
Robert J Champion Fireman
Robert Dudding Able Seaman
Thomas Duffill Fireman
John Shay Chief Eng
Albert Levy Able Seaman
James Gillyon Able Seaman
Hi Pedro. nice to hear from you again.After the great debacle of the Dornier raid on Goole
Thank you for the fatality list.also the website which I knew of but still no list of survivors. I wonder,why the secrecy?Some one must know who came home!
I am currently involved in a long standing mystery which invovles anative of your fair Isle One Edward Morgan married my Aunt.He first appears in the 1901 census living in Mrs. Sykes boarding house Government St Goole as a seaman born in Barbados.1911 census married living in Wesley Square but later Edinburgh St When he went to war.also on the census it states that he was born in St. Michaels Barbados But now British subject by marriage! I did not return from the war.I have been unable to find where he died.All war deaths records have revealed nothing.I have a photo of him in uniform which appears to be Army with a small anchor on his epaulette. No experts that I have approached have come up with a solution to my quandry
hi pedro re your recent post ss burma i am benjamin absons grandson that corby mentioned the name john shay made me look at the abson tree (partial) that we have and he was my grandad benjamins cousin i asked mum today if she rememberd him and she did (106 years and still recalls allmost all her life ) corby sent me a photo with ben on ss burma circa 1900 but i would like to find what other ships he sailed on any ideas trev
Corby re-your uncle Edward Morgan born 1911
I presently reside in St Michaels here in Barbdos he wouldn't have to marry to claim british citizenship as Barbados was indipendant of Britain 1966 after been occupied since 1624 he was already a british citizen. My present landlady here worked in the uk for 50 years and has dual nationality with both british and bajan passport.Anyway I digress Barbados is only some 20 miles in length been one of the smaller windward island.My best friend here is named Dale Morgan from St Michaels maybe I found your cousin ha ha.He his visiting me before I leave on the 1st april so I will pick his brain. ps was your Edward Morgan a coloured man I have to ask because there are white descendants here called morgan of welsh stock
Hi Pedro. My search for answers to this problem go back many years. Even when we were in contact by email. I knew then your conection with this Island.although i did not wish to burden others.I have tried all aspects including barbados records office . But his birth date 1879 does not tie up with his name.all the evidence I have is the two censuses and a photo.He has a good tan but sharp featured.I'll try your email and send if still available
hi Pedro.The explanation re.British citizenship I understand .But on the 1911 census in column 15. Next to were born. It is penned"British only by Marriage"
here was I thinking that I may be related to the famous Captain Henry
leaving 1st April back in sunny Goole 2nd after 6 months here in my 2nd home hoping weathers improved at Home.Hoping Santa left me a prezzy update later take care
Trev Ben you could start with last crew agreement for SS Burma official No98382 this is held at Kew in piece BT/993194
but is best viewed at Kew. (maybe worth a day out) if you could find his discharge book we could take it from there.
correction trev sorry I meant his discharge book number its possible SS Burma crew agreement may lead to this
Re Jack Collier RVR
Both Collier's were in the RNVR - Jack Collier was heavily involved in the Operation Torch landings in North Africa. My father sailed wiht him - notably in the late 60's on the 'York' in the Medditeranean on charter for Ellerman Wilson. My father recalled that as the York flew the RNVR blue ensign that the Russian/American and Israeli spy ships in the Med took an inordinate interest in the York.
Hi Corby, I`ll email you a crew list of the Burma when she sank.
hello again to Hamish, sorry I didnt get back to you last year but I had a bit of engine trouble that layed me up for a while,Thats what comes of 2 years down Water Haig(avoiding National Service) and 38 years of duty free smoking .Luckily I have not got the big C but
the old chest is not what it should be but plenty of pills and being on an oxygen machine 16 hours a day keeps me on my feet.I can get around my flat OK but I and apart from getting the trailing hose caught on every dam thing in the place and almost pulling my ears off every time I go to make a cup of tea I can,t grumble.It crops up sometimes when the grand kids are here but if I moan all they say is"Well pop what,s the alternative" that shuts me up right away
Have got to go now but I will be back tomorrow to bring you a bit more up to datewith my life see you then Arthur
Greetings again arthur! I didn't know you were down Water Haig I did exactly the same thing for a year when my then wife became ill, and I had to get a year off from seagoing to be with her, and like you had to dodge national service, I was a "Clam Lad" to start, then moved to timbergate ripping,I worked down at what was called the West Board End, good money and free coal but when one don't see the sun for a couple of months(only on weekends)it becomes a bit of a drag after sea time, as I say I lasted a year then got a pier head jump on a British Tanker, was not out of the country more than a week and the cops were sent to the house looking for me, but the mother in law told them "if you want him, you will have to go to Mena El Alhamdi to get him"that was the last I heard of that problem, But when I came to Canada I paid off the Polden in Blyth on a Monday ,picked up the wife in Leeds ,and sailed for Canada on the Saxonia on the Wenesday, talk about cutting it fine! one day fogbound and all plans would have been off, and I might have been in the army. Sorry to hear about your health tho arthur as I recall in the old days had it been a rum bottle you had to drag around all day I dont think you would have minded, I remember a couple of "full board days" with you, going down river was just a haze, how did we ever do it , and not kill ourselves anyhoo till next time take care H
Hello Transportman. Thankyou for the enlightenment.The captain I know a little of through his family connection
hi hamish a bit late but back again Ive been going through my old dis,a books so i can tell you i was on the polden with you 18/8/56, until14/3/57 then i came ashore and went down water haigh, I stayed down the mines until I was 26 to as you say dodge the army 1959. then i had a go at a couple of different jobs as by this time we had two youngsters. I was 2nd mate on the buses punching tickets,and then a milkman with the coop- but I just could,nt be the way people expected me to be so after long talk with my good lady I was back at sea late 1961. I stayed sailing out of Goole until 1968 then I took wings and joined ESSO .that was the best move I ever made,very good money short trips (3-4 months)I finished up as CPO. Pumpman and stayed with the Co for 16 years until disaster struck, believe this or not over night in Sweden I developed an alergy to OIL . I turned in early ready for a 5am start but when I got called ALL my skin was peeling off me.nothing hurt it was just one hell of a shock and a bit scary. Anyway I was flown home that day to Southampton general and there I stayed until it was sorted out that took 6 months then another 6 months at home by this time we had all decided that Iwould be at risk if Iwas to go on another tanker so ESSO paid me off very generously and I finaly came ashore for good.
It was not a happy ending though vera wasnt used to me being at home all the time and I could not get used too it so we got divorced.we havent fallen out with it all in fact we are the best of friends and ring each other every day.it seems that 38 years of married life .wasnt a waste of time after all I am 80 years old I have two wonderful daughters .two equaly wonderful grandchildren one of each and now the cherry on the cake a beautyful great grandaughter as you can see I have nothing to moan about and whatever is wrong with me is of my own making so really I am a happy if grumpy ex sailor
will get back to you soon hamish arthur
Ahoy Arther Yes the dates are right, I was on the Polden from 18/7/56 till 20/4/57 so I joined before you and left after you. I must have been the instagater(s?) of you going down the mines as I/We had done it by then, and couldn't hack it and were back at sea, You must have seen a lot of changes in seagoing, what happened to the good old AB certT,and what the hell is a CPO rating? I cannot remember any of the lads on the Polden except you, and I met your wife in Goole one time when you had her aboard, she wore Glasses as I recall?And I remember the skipper Teddy Eales, he left to become a Seaham harbour pilot don't know if he made it or not A fellow by the name of Wiliams was manager of Water Haig in my time, I remember him, as he and I had a couple of set too's over job training, which was all for naught, as I only lasted a year, made good money tho once I got on contract. Can you remember the Mates name on the Polden? He was the chap that was homeward bound in1939 after two years out, got torpedoed in the Bay of Biscay, and spent the rest of the war in a prison camp so he was away from home for at least seven years, things are starting to come back to me now, the Chief Steward Reg Lewis who liked to be called MissL, and the little cook from Goole dark chap with a goatee beard, but one hell of a good cook, but I cannot remember who was on deck with us, who was the bosun?Anyhoo till next time Take care H
I am one of the great, great grandsons of Charles Carr the 19th century Goole sailmaker. I believe that he made the sails for a boat called the Golden Wedding and possibly another called the George Kilner. I wonder if any local history experts in Goole have any information about him or can suggest where I might look to try to find out a little more about him? Roger Potts
Hello Roger.Although not an historian.I have ,over the years taken a keen interest in the Hoeden shipbuilders Banks and Caisley. Over thirty vessels built by them.I have found little evidence exsists as to who was employed as sailmaker ect.Until I spoke to Ron Gosney of Knottingley .He supplied me with many answers. As to their stories and their fates
Ron has mentioned Charles and Stephen Carr in his book The Sailing Ships and Mariners of Knottingley.
I think that Ron is a true historian and if you do not know of the book. It is a good read ,I also suggest .Perhaps you should contact him
Hi Corby; thanks for that information I will follow it up. I was aware that CHARLES CARR'S father was called Stephen and he too was a sail maker. I believe that he was from Selby but at some point the family must have moved to Knottingley and that would fit as Charles Carr married a Sarah Raddings who was the daughter of a Captain Raddings from Knottingley. Thanks again. Roger Potts.
Hi Roger. further to our last mail. you mentioned thomas Radding I don't know if you are aware but ,a Thomas Radding of Goole became the owner of the "Superb" built by John Banks jnr. in1871 at Kilpin Pike Master was a John Plaistow
Also the story from the local paper in 1897of the Schooner "Elite" Abandoned by the crew40 days out from Cadiz to St. Johns. She was built by Caisley in 1883
The owner was a John Raddings.This story is too much for these pages
Thanks again Corby. That is some more information for me to look into. As far as I am aware the Sarah Raddings who married Charles Carr came from Knottingley and the marriage will have been somewhere in the 1850s. However perhaps other descendents or relatives of the Captain Raddings also from Knottingley who was Sarah's father moved to Goole later in the 19th century. Raddings is not a common name so they are probably connected and Goole is not far from Knottingley especially by water. Thamks again Roger Potts
Various celebrations are taking place around the country to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Battle of the Atlantic. Something I appreciate as my father and other men from Goole served on the North Atlantic convoys. It is a pity that recognition of their contribution to the war effort has come so late.
To Corby or anyone.
Have just traced an ancestor in the 1861 Census (vessels abroad) and was listed as the Master of " JOHN HOWARD" a Billy Boy Schooner, a coastal and foreign trader.
Can anyone tell me what was a BILLY BOY SCHOONER also while I am at a FLY BOAT 85
Have a problem, came across an ancestor in the 1861 Census ( Vessles abroad) Dunkirk where he was listed as the Master of the "JOHN HOWARD" a BILLY BOY SCHOONER. What was a Billy Boy Schooner. While I am at it what was/is a FLY BOAT 85. Corby can you or anyone else answer these questions.
My thanks, Harry
Ahoy Harry! If you google Billy Boy Schooners you will see it was a name given to round bow round stern coasting schooners, quite common around the coast in the early days, built mainly in Yorkshire
Hello Harry. a discription of the "Billy boy" can be found to the right of the Ships main page.however the addition of Schooner refers to its rig.I have just found in Ron Gosney's excellent book"The Sailing Ships and Mariners of Knottingley. an account of "The John Howard's loss.,
Reg No.41 23rd. Sept 1859 SCHOONER"John Howard"Burthen79.24 tons Official No. 21982
Built at Kottingleyin 1859 by Edward Atkinson
Subscribing owners Joseph Crabtree Master Mariner 32 shares John Howard Ropemaker32 shares
Lost with all official papers between St. Malo and Beachy Head1/6/1877
Hi Harry me back again. I had to halt my progrees. My dinner was on the table.My Gandad Joseph Auckland Cook was on a similar vessel "The Gem"in 1881 in Leigh Essex He was Cabin boy aged 15 There was Master his wife and daughter plus a deck hand
my GGGrandad John singleton Cook on his retirement from the sea. Ran a pub in George Street Old goole named "The Hope" I have tried to find which "Hope" For I would like to think that he named it after the ship. But there were many "Hopes" built. so I will never know
What was your ancesters (the Master)name?
Hi Hamish and Corby
Thanks for you answers. My ancestor was Joseph Crabtree, he was my g.gfather John Crabtree's brother. He was later Master of the schooner "Martha and Ellen" #44036. He Accidently Drowned on the 14th Oct 1907.
As A note of interest in 1871 census his father James Crabtree was Master of the Keel Boat "Hope"
Thanks again you two. my Regards. Harry
Hi Harry In Ron Gosneys book a whole chapter(12 pages) is dedicated to Joseph .Mentioning all of his family;with a print of his portrait A very interestig read.I have another book which I refer to Merchant Sailing ships 1850-1875 by David R. MacGregor.I was sorry to see no mention of Knottingley builders within and only one Goole Ship "The Unity " built by John Banks at Howden.als o the only mention of the Billy boys was one built at Wisbech in1860 " Bluejacket"Topsail Schooner rigged A fine lines drawing also a photo of her laying at Blakeney .Astern of her is a Ketch "Mary Anne".
Thanks very much for your help, Corby. See you around.
Are you related to the Harry Tutty who had a daughter called Ellen that married Dick Garrett? I think Harry was his nickname.
Harry.From your last mail to me.It appears that you may know me.I answered your first message on the assumption that you were Harry Driffill. I believe now this may not be the case. I knew many Harry's when I lived in Goole.most of which are now dead. Can you give me any indication of which Harry I am in contact with .Or, are you reaching me from the grave?
Sorry to disappoint you but non of those name ring a bell we me nor has any appeared in the family tree's that I am researching.
My regards, Harry
Just seen this site and wondering if anyone knows anything about a ship called S Corea, as my Great grandfather Tom Harrison Sprakes was listed aboard this ship in the 1911 census.
If you go to www.sloopphyllis dot com you will find details of Billy Boy sloops.The relevant paragraph is about half way down the article.
If a 85 flyboat is the same as your spelling I think it is a power Yacht/power cruiser.
I switched sites, from the "Bridges" to the Ships".
I cannot remember you when our family lived in "Rip Van Winkle Land" though you seem to recall my brother, Douglas who is about your age. I am a couple of years older than Doug.
Our friends were the Taylors, Brian and Billy, Trevor Bramham, Roy Bleasdale (he died whilst in his childhood), also Eric Caldicott, Georgie Nickols,Alan Fielder, just to name a few that I can recall and there would be a few girls around.
We lived at 64 Edinburgh Street for many years till moving down to Swindon in 38/39. Both Doug & I went to Alex' school. We came back to Goole for summer holidays and sometimes for Christmas, staying either at my Grandparents house in Westbourne Grove or my Grandmothers at 70 Edinburgh Street.
Have just recently met up with one of the teenage friends. Had a good lunch together talking about the "Old Days" whilst our wives got to know each other. Regards, Harry
Thanks for your reply. Found the article on the site you gave, everything is still clear as mud to this dull old brain Thanks again. Regards, Harry
Hi Harry.You cannot go far wrong on the
Ships page as the life blood of the town revolves around the shipping.
You certainly struck a chord when you mentioed Roy Bleasedale He was your age born March '32. But sadly died 24/11/41 My memory does not go father back than when I was aged 7. But I do remember Roy with his beaming smile.The family lived in our street then.But moved after Roy's death.A few years ago I wrote an article about the people of Stanley Street.From which I recieved lots of interest by Email.some of which have kept in touch.One lady in particular was called Lilo Bleasedale who had married Jim.She also asked if I remembered Roy.She lived in Germany so it came as a surprise. She sent me a Tree which started with the Hirst family. covering 3 generations.Through many other Goole families which included The Bleasedales also many photographs of this family.We have not been to Goole this year.The first time in 56 years
Before I left Boothferry Road Junior School in 1955 to live in Hull there was a John Bleasedale in my form. He would have been 9/10 years old. Do you know if he was related to Roy?
Hi Paul sorry there is no John mentioned on this tree in the years you mention. The last child born was in 1981
Whassup guys, everyone retired or something?
Nice postings from various folks, but where are all the regular troops?
More to follow.
Ahoy Gary !Good to see you are still on the right side of the grass,It has been rather quiet here on the Goolie site, I was expecting our good buddy Pedro to be on, with a run down on Goole news, but then maybe he is out in the sunny climes ,swamping rum, and roasting his belly in the hot sun, speaking of which I see the weather has not been too kind to you guys down east, we on the other hand are in the midst of a heat wave, till tomorrow that is, I am off next week for a europe river cruise, Amsterdam to Budapest,havn't been in Amsterdam since my time on the "Lanky boats" the Aire I think, or was it the Blythe, age does funny things, that was way back in the fifties, so I expect I won't regognise a thing,The cruise supplies all the booze free(well you pay for it in your ticket of course)so will see if I remember any of it when I get home! Take care H
Nice to hear from you too Hamish, and your forthcoming trip to the back of beyond; Amsterjam and Bloodypest. Only kidding of course. Hope you have a great time, but like you say, it won't be anything like you remember it.
Regarding the weather here in Ontario, we had a great summer and it aint over yet (we are still a few degrees better off than Newfyland and New Scotland etc).
I have not closed my pool yet. In fact I was in for a dip earlier on today. Water is still in the 70's, but this is normally about the time to seal her off for what's to come. C'est la vie!
All the best Hamish. Send us a card.
I've had a request from a Carline Dixon regarding anything to do about he GGrandfather Thomas Harrison Sprakes who served on the SS Corea.
she sent me the 1911 census of the vessel which I think may interest some of the readers
John Cole Master
Stephen Lea 1st. Mate
John Farmery 2nd. Mate
Burick? Scott Cawthorn Cook & Steward
Frederick Arthur Hewitt AB seaman
Rowland James Clark " "
Thomas Harrison Sprakes " "
George William Marchant " "
Henry Mathias Triggs " "
William Henry Pratt " "
Alfred Jackson Chief Engineer
Francis Thomas Midgley 2nd. "
Henry Denby Fireman
George Thompson "
John William Curtis "
Albert Groland "
Tom Bucknell "
Alfred Jackson .To who I am related was of particular interest to myself Can anyone else be of help to this lady?
Today I heard of the death of Pedro.for some time one of the main visitor to this page. My informant a lady who went to the same school in Old Goole told me that she saw him on his bike and then only a few days later read of his death.What a fountain of knowledge and a well liked man.He will be sadly missed
Hello Corby, thanks for giving us the news about Pedro. I knew him only through his postings on this website but he struck me as a very decent man of great wisdom, experience and humour. I am sad that he is no longer with us. Bill
Hi Bill. We borrowed your Dad's story if you remember.Pedro really enjoyed that for it ran in paralel lines to his. But not in wartime. Even after their time at sea. doing the same job He told me at the time that he was also writing a story. If so maybe one of his daughters may see it printed? Who knows?
Corby, to say I am shocked by your posting about Pedro is an understatement.
Assuming, of course, that we are talking about the same Pedro we all know from this web site.
I am refering to Pete Harrison, who I never knew as a seaman, but came to know quite well when we had both swallowed the anchor, as it were.
I will check out the local Goole papers for confirmation of his demise, but there can't be too many Pedros around the Goole area.
He will certainly be sadly missed on this site and in the Goole area.
The last time I met Pete was in the 'Town and Country' pub (Wetherspoons) a few years ago when I was last there on vacation.
He did spend quite a bit of time in his little corner of the world, Barbados (Little England) where I am sure he will be missed too.
More to follow in due course.
No more shocked than I Gary.He was one of those guys that was always there and therefore now badly missed. He chose like many of my old mates to go to sea and it stood him in good stead.One of his closest neighbors who also went MN after serving his apprentice ship at the Shipyard John Appleyard who went Deepsea but later on the Abbey Boats.He is now very poorly
Another person I know you knew Dennis Philpot who as a child down our street surprised all later when he became Mr. West yorkshire. I saw him last year at his nephews funeral and he still looks quite fit .He told me that he is still Pumping Iron
My late husbands ancesters came from Oulton to Selby in 1780/1 They were watermen ,and were the first Adamson's in Selby.Thomas Adamson 1764-1849 .He skippered many"Ships" including the scooner "Samuel" built at Selby 1839 by Samuel Gutteridge .The owner was James Audus .It's in the Goole shipping register.I believe they(Adamsons) did the runs to London from Selby.His cousin Thomas Adamson 1807 Selby spent some time in London ,and married in Selby ,His Master's Certificate was issued at Goole 16 Jan.1851.He died 1878.
Thanks again Corby for your info regarding Pedro's passing.
I would have liked to have been there for his 'last trip' as it were, but time and space just did not permit.
I have no doubt that there is a place for him on the Lock Hill Memorial site. I will certainly look for it on my next visit.
The name of John Appleyard does kinda ring a bell, having been on the Abbey boats myself at various times in the early sixties, but I do not have a clear recollection of him. I guess it is the age thing again.
I do remember Dennis Philpot from my time with the Goole Judo Club down in the Victoria Pleasure Grounds. Nice to know that he is still 'lifting and snatching' or whatever it is they do.
Bill Sutton and Phil Knight were his main partners at the time, in fact Phil, if memory serves, was the British Champion in power lifting.
Say Hi to these guys on my behalf whenever you can Corby.
My, how time flies.
Ahoy Fellas!! Not very nice to be "off site" for three weeks and come home to news like that, the demise of Pedro, he was a true spirit on site, and altho' I never met him(I do think I had a pint with him in "Charlies" in the early fifties, but its that age thing again)I felt as thought he were a close friend, he was my link to try and keep track of a couple of "Goolies"I was at sea with, namlely Billie Guy and George Cannon,so there is another hole in history with his passing.My thoughts are with his family and close friends at this sad time, and as Gary has mentioned there must be room on that memorial!!
Well Hamish, it came as a shock to us all about Pedro's passing but he would have been the last person on earth to see the site decline because of it.
On a more positive note, i trust you had an enjoyable trip to some of your old stomping grounds. Namely Amsterdam, as I don't think any of the Lanky boats ever went to Budapest.
I would hope that you didn't linger too long on those streets where young ladies sit in the windows displaying their wares, but that's another story.
Greetings Gary! Yes the first few days in Amsterdam were realy good, (we took a couple of extra days before the cruise just to explore Amsterdam)and low and behold the first "tour" we did on joining the cruise was a walking trip around Canal street, with a guide who filled us in on a little history of the place,I found it "subdued" as to what I remember, but to be honest we did not tour the whole area, the "window" girls were still there tho'.We also did the "Hop on Hop off" canal tour which took us about two days, and something I would say everyone going to Amsterdam should do, its cheap and very interesting!Another thing that took my mind back to Goole was the number of bikes! Everyone seems to ride one, and one is more in danger of being hit by a bike than a car, they have there own bike paths which we tourists would mistake for the side walk, and end up in a pile of bikesThey say they have a population of a million people , and two million bikes!!,Amsterdam is no longer the port I remember tho, yes there are countless barge traffic(they do more by barge than they do by road, its cheaper)but apart from one P and O cruise ship, I did not see one sea going vessel.The river cruise was good, the food, the booze,the accomodation, were superb, however some of the day trips turned into glorified bus tours, and a lot of the river cruising was done at night, and to mar things for me ,was, I caught a "bug"from someone , and spent the last four days hacking and coughing in my cabin(and all that free beer going begging)but all in all, apart from a few "gliches"I would say it was money well spent
I have only just found this site and over the past hour have been greatly impressed and moved by the accounts and stories of Goole seafarers and would just like to add a few of my own from when I lived in Dunhill Road Goole from 1944 -1960.
My father, William Sutcliff, first went to sea in 1923 from Goole in the Orlando for 4 years, Torrington for 3 years, Thersa for 3 years and Easingwold for 4 years until the start of the 2nd World War, when he joined the newly built (at Goole shipyard) MV Coxwold and served on her, with Captain Pratt as Master, through many theatres of war including D Day. After the war my mother joined my father and took me along for what sounded like a world cruise, but being only perhaps 3 or 4 at the time I do not have any memory of it, but she always used to tell the story of how she nearly lost me in a bazaar in Casablanca.Why he left the Coxwold always puzzles me because it was a lucky ship and my mother always spoke highly of Captin Pratt, but from 1946 he quickly moved from Saltfleet, Welsh Trader and then the Lanky boats, Hodder, Dearn, Alt, a 7 day voyage on Felixstowe which does not sound like a Lanky, then back to the Dearne, Hodder, Don and Rother, again 2 months on the Broadhurst in 1952 and back to the Lankys Aire and Alt until 1954. Then it was Poole River, Holderknoll and 3 months on the Marlwood of France Fenwick in 1955, which is the first ship mentioned on this web site. He then moved with Captain Tom Collier of Reedness, who he got on very well with, to the Gwynwood for 2 years and finally after 8 months he died aged 59 on the Braywood whilst she was berthed at Jarrow in 1959, when I was 15 years of age. He was a cook and steward and Chief Steward on the Coxwold, cook on the Lanky boats and steward on the France Fenwick boats,
Although I cannot remember seeing her I remember the dintinctive siren of the Parkenella amongst all the others, when they used to blow them on New Years eve. I wanted to go to sea but my mother strictly forbid in on account of the fact that my father was always away rather than at home, which of course is the life of a seafarer and my memories of him are few and fleeting- later I became a barrister instead! Although I live in Country Durham on my way to Whitby I've sometimes called at the village of Coxwold, near Sutton Bank and wondered what significance the name had to the owners, Atkinson Prickett who must have named her -perhaps one of their family had lived there.
I have wonderful memories of going round the docks as a child and a young man and, in contrast to today's fences and railings, one could virtually go anywhere and I remember Everard's MV Grit in dry dock and their other 'ity' boats. My father was born in 1900 at North Street and his father Jacob was the one of the sons of Abraham Sutcliff, mentioned earlier on this site and in Mike Marsh's book as being the licensee of The Crown Inn in Ouse Street in the 1880's. Abraham Sutcliff's headstone is still handsome and erect in Goole cemetery a century or so later.
It is 50 years since I left Goole, but it is still in the blood. Ray Gosling's death this week prompted me to start this search, because his obituary says his favorite of the many documentaries he made was about Goole docks, being on a barge and talking to girls who knew seafarers!
Malcolm, very interesting for me as I posted the original message about the Marlwood. My dad was ship's cook but left the MN in 1953. Had you realised that you posted your message on the 'archive' Ships page and there is another Ships page with many more messages from recent years.
I am taking the liberty of copying (below) a message just posted by Malcolm Sutcliffe on the Archive Ships page, I notice that there are other recent messages posted there that should be on this page and may have been missed by our readership. Webmaster can you do something about this? Thanks.
"I have only just found this site and over the past hour have been greatly impressed and moved by the accounts and stories of Goole seafarers and would just like to add a few of my own from when I lived in Dunhill Road Goole from 1944 -1960.
My father, William Sutcliff, first went to sea in 1923 from Goole in the Orlando for 4 years, Torrington for 3 years, Thersa for 3 years and Easingwold for 4 years until the start of the 2nd World War, when he joined the newly built (at Goole shipyard) MV Coxwold and served on her, with Captain Pratt as Master, through many theatres of war including D Day. After the war my mother joined my father and took me along for what sounded like a world cruise, but being only perhaps 3 or 4 at the time I do not have any memory of it, but she always used to tell the story of how she nearly lost me in a bazaar in Casablanca.Why he left the Coxwold always puzzles me because it was a lucky ship and my mother always spoke highly of Captin Pratt, but from 1946 he quickly moved from Saltfleet, Welsh Trader and then the Lanky boats, Hodder, Dearn, Alt, a 7 day voyage on Felixstowe which does not sound like a Lanky, then back to the Dearne, Hodder, Don and Rother, again 2 months on the Broadhurst in 1952 and back to the Lankys Aire and Alt until 1954. Then it was Poole River, Holderknoll and 3 months on the Marlwood of France Fenwick in 1955, which is the first ship mentioned on this web site. He then moved with Captain Tom Collier of Reedness, who he got on very well with, to the Gwynwood for 2 years and finally after 8 months he died aged 59 on the Braywood whilst she was berthed at Jarrow in 1959, when I was 15 years of age. He was a cook and steward and Chief Steward on the Coxwold, cook on the Lanky boats and steward on the France Fenwick boats,
Although I cannot remember seeing her I remember the dintinctive siren of the Parkenella amongst all the others, when they used to blow them on New Years eve. I wanted to go to sea but my mother strictly forbid in on account of the fact that my father was always away rather than at home, which of course is the life of a seafarer and my memories of him are few and fleeting- later I became a barrister instead! Although I live in Country Durham on my way to Whitby I've sometimes called at the village of Coxwold, near Sutton Bank and wondered what significance the name had to the owners, Atkinson Prickett who must have named her -perhaps one of their family had lived there.
I have wonderful memories of going round the docks as a child and a young man and, in contrast to today's fences and railings, one could virtually go anywhere and I remember Everard's MV Grit in dry dock and their other 'ity' boats. My father was born in 1900 at North Street and his father Jacob was the one of the sons of Abraham Sutcliff, mentioned earlier on this site and in Mike Marsh's book as being the licensee of The Crown Inn in Ouse Street in the 1880's. Abraham Sutcliff's headstone is still handsome and erect in Goole cemetery a century or so later.
It is 50 years since I left Goole, but it is still in the blood. Ray Gosling's death this week prompted me to start this search, because his obituary says his favorite of the many documentaries he made was about Goole docks, being on a barge and talking to girls who knew seafarers!
Hi Bill - Thanks for pointing it out. I'll attempt to move the messages across from the archive page at the weekend
Hello Malcolm and Bill
The three of us are lucky to know where our fathers were through out their working lives also the war years.Although my father was in the other war
i have just realised that they all came close together.When all worked on the Marlwood My father a Docker. His main job was Coal Trimmer But towards the end of his working life he worked for Bennets as a Cargo Checker. He retired in 1955 aged 60.
Hi Malcolm. Perhaps you are wondering what my latest post had to do with Bennets shipping. Because The Marlwood always moored up at Bennets Wharf along with the Ortalon I perhals assumed wrongly that she was a Bennets ship
In 1955 I had just completed my apprenticeship and it was touch and go wether I joined the Ortalon or did my stint in the National service.I chose the later as I was able to go in in my trade
your article seemed to hold many coincidences for me.I made a friend in the RAF who was the mamger of the Whitby Shipyard.After our demob I had a job lined up there.but when that time came we had a family and friends down here in Southampton.so we stayed
Each year we came "Home" for the cemetery run ,friends and also visiting Barnard Castle where my brother in law owned a guest house A listed building for like so many others Cromwell had visited
Finally your reference to Sutton Bank.In 1952 I joined Goole Wheelers Many members chose to ride Fixed wheel with only a front brake.To go down SuttonBank and it's neighbour Wass Bank. Gave the thrill of a lifetime we had to be sure our feet were firmly clipped in.
Great days, well remembered
Ahoy Malcolm! I might have sailed with your Dad, as I was on the Aire, Don and Dearne, around the same era, 52/55 but I would have to locate my discharge book to come up with exact dates, and many more of his ships bring back a little nostalgia, the Broadhurst for instance, I was never on her, but she was a regular runner to Shoreham in the early fifties,and I was on the Beeding the Seaford, Petworth, and Grangetoft, who all were also regulars in Shoreham, so we crossed her path many times, cheers H
To: Corby Bunting - Corby in your most recent communication you mention the ''Marlwood" and ''Ortolan'' being moored at Bennetts berth. The vessel was actually the ''Marwood'' (Capt. McLeod a true gentleman)
Corby Bunting - name of vessel should read "Marsworth" - first comment in movers and shakers by John Storey confirms this.
The vessel I have been referring to was definitely the Marlwood (official no.148064). The second ship of that name.
The Plot Thickens.How to arrive at a conclusion I don't know. I know that I once made and delivered a Hold ladder to the ship from our workshop next door to Camplings.I do not know who the Master was.but I did know a member of the crew.Jack Taylor of Armthorpe who married a very good friend of ours, Mary Taun. Mary is no longer with us or her sister Eileen, but I believe Jack still lives in Goole. Perhaps one of our readers will know of him?
Marlwood, launched 1924 as Felside,1930 became Swandale, owners,Atkinson and Pricket,1938 became Marlwood, owners France Fenwick, broken up 1957
After a few weeks of computer problems I'm back on track.
Nice to hear from you again Hamish (last time I heard from you, you'd just returned from Amsterdam)
Anyways, a note to Bill Stewart; as I've probably mentioned in previous postings, I never sailed with your dad (Joe) but I knew him well. After I came ashore in 1964, I worked with him at Ferrybridge 'C' power station and spent some happy hours with him and your mom in the Peacock lounge on East Parade; whilst you were still in 'Uni', to use today's vernacular.
It's not the same place nowadays apparently, but what the heck - memories never change.
Any way folks, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and hope to resume normal service in due course.
I echo that Gary!! Altho I am not a "Native" Goolie coming from Leeds(by way of the Scottish Highlands)I have many memories of the old place,The Railway Tavern and "Charlie".Melodies, the first pub I ever set foot in in Goole as a young green deck boy, and the great times we had there voyage after voyage in the "lankie boats",the colliers,and the deep sea trips in between,the girls we fell in love with(for a trip)and the fellow seamen we rubbed shoulders with, great great memories!!All I can say is "Thank you Goole for your Tolerance,and be sure to have a very merry Christmas and a Great new year!! Lang May Yer Lums Reek
Hi Gary, mention of 'Ferrybridge C' brings back memories. My dad got me a temporary job there in my summer college vacation (I think I was working for Babcocks?). Anyway as a fitters mate I accidentally dropped a hammer down the gap between the gantry and boiler(?) we were working on. We were at the top level and I had to walk, with some trepidation, down five flights of stairs to retrieve it - I knew there were men working below! Thank god I didn't kill anyone but the blokes down there certainly used some colourful language to say what they thought of me.
hi gary dont know whether you remember me was on byland for short time with you westerlygales the skipper ken hammond bosun his brother doug was union bloke fond memories of bryddens bodega across the road in copes tuborg 75 ore a bottle carlsberg was a womans drink then back to scub gratings for bacon. spent a lot of time in peacock when sid and rose had it. i also finished in 1964 and went to ferrybridge painting for tighes i think you trained as a welder when you went to babbies
Re Marlwood, see archived Ships March 2006 from Pedro and myself
Hi Tony, nice to hear from an old shipmate. You are right on all counts. I remember your name but I can't put a face to it yet, although I will continue to work on it.
Yes I did train as a gas welder after coming ashore in 1964 and it was for Babcock & Wilcox on boiler construction.
Came to Canada in 1981, also to work for the great B&W (Canada) but didn't stay too long.
Other opportunities cropped up (too numerous to mention here)
Anyways, nice to hear from you and perhaps we can 'swing the lamp' again and fill in a few gaps later.
Hope to hear from you guys later, Hamish; Bill et-al.
I once had a ride on the Marlwood. The captain was my great uncle
I remember visiting his house in Reedness many times.
Would love to hear from Mark Mackenzie . His mother was my mothers cousin.
His auntie Lily still alive and living in New Zealand?
May I wish all contributors a very Happy New Year. Hope to hear from you later.
Hi everybody! First thanks for the reply Gary correction on the price of beer 1 krone across the road 75 ore in dockers canteen on quay. I will introduce myself, Barry Krebbs put me onto this site, I read all the comments from Geoff Le Voguer in 2008 to present with interest. I went to sea school in Gravesend in late 50s and came out as a fully qualified deck boy. After several deep sea trips and getting my E.D.H Cert. I started sailing out of Goole I was several A.H.L ships York, Leeds,Wakefield, Whitby Abbey and Byland Abbey. Other ships were Lancing, Ardingly, Broadhurst, London, Eildon, Hesslegate.
Continuing---To Geoff Le Voguer your dad was on the Lancing with me I remember the well washed boiler suit and beret not forgetting his tashe he was also on probably one of the AHL boats with me as I remember bring him home from Hull in my car with a couple of other lads, we must have stopped in Hull that trip for me to have been using my car Charlie swore he would never travel with me again, Hull to Goole in 24 mins in 1962/3 in my Laurel green 1957 Vauxhall Victor
my great grandfather james drackford born london 1839 .was the
mate . on the ralph crayke. sank of lundy island feb/2/1879 .
there bodies was never recovered . he left 5 children .his daughter
elsie drackford. married my GRANDDAD FRANCES WESTON
ENY IMFO ON THIS SUBJECT WOULD BE MUCH WELCOME
Hi once again guys:
Regarding Tony's reference to the butter boats, namely the Byland Abbey and sister ship Kirkham Abbey on the Copenhagen run, I used what little techy knowledge I have and used Google Earth to zoom in on where we used to tie up at 'Islands Brygge'.(circa 1960/62)
What we knew as 'Container Brugge' (just across from the Bodega and Haroldsburg) is now waterside parkland. Landscaped lawns with park benches and such. I'd love to visit it now and reminisce. I also understand that the imposing structure of the Hotel Europa. which was just across the water, is no longer there.
I have a couple of photos (the old 35mm type) with the Europa in the background which I treasure. One of which features myself, Tony Ogden (fellow AB) and Lutie Walton (M/M) sunning ourselves on the afterdeck.
Tony, you may have been on the Byland Abbey around this time.
I,ll try and send them to the site if I can figure out how. Where's the grandkids when you need 'em?
'S'all for now folks, hope to hear from you in due course.
Hi Gary I only met Lutie Walton once.At his sister in law (Mary Tauns) wedding.
I have photo of Jim Stanley,Lutie.Bob Harrison ( Pedro's Bro) Ely Taun ( Mary's Dad) and Tommy Gill Photo taken outside the Peacock.Email me for a copy if you wish
Cor stone the crows Gary! You sure have a good memory, all I can remember of Copenhagen while on the "Don" was the mermaid sitting on the rock in the harbour, well maybe I can recall a few brewery "tours" where they would give you a case of beer for taking the tour, but that only lasted untill they came to regognise you, no matter what kind of disguise one tried, I got away with it three times, and I have a vague memory of the gardens, and a couple of football pitches, thats about it, can not remember where we tied up tho, nor all the big buildings you speak of, you must have been paying attention
Hi all. While I remember most and sailed with a lot of the names mentioned in past comments I will give a few more that may be known, Gary beat me to two, who could forget the Bopper and Lute, sadly I believe Tony died a long time ago, I recall taking him home to Moorends with a carryout on the back seat there were three of us I think Spats Sutcliffe was the other one. The crew of the Lancing was Capt. Bilton, Charlie the Pole mate, Arthur Mount sec. mate, Maltese Joe Cini from Leeds bosun Me, Stan Foord (I think that is correct spelling) RoyLinnington Charlie Le Voguer, Alan (Spud) Tate, Arthur (Dinger) Cowling ass. steward, Bernard ? m/m. Ted Acaster was cook, went home with Stan once to Seaford, went out with his bros and slept on his mums floor. Others I have sailed with Pete Mudd and Graham (Togger) ? from Leeds, Alec Grant, Mick Bird from Stainforth, Albert Smith bosun (apparently only had two ships Beeding and Broadhurst) Harry Bellaby bosun on Leeds and London, Tommy Waterland, Dave and Reg Hoggard, Arthur Pettican. Two others come to mind Cisco and Lofty who I think were Roy Linningtons bros. sadly Lofty was drowned in the docks working as a boatman and lastly how could I forget my mate Ray (Hank the Yank) Mayo and his 52 Harley Davidson who I think was actually Canadian. To go onto AHL all the captains did their own pilotage to Goole, as Gary will probably remember Capt. Walters on the Leeds had his own wheelman between Hull and Goole I took this job when whoever was doing it left, good job kept dry and sheltered. Whitby Abbey had Paddy Boyland capt. he only slowed down coming round Middle Witton, Ken Bolland was mate and Abadan Harry was sec. mate Freddy Clynes was steward (no relation). Finally the York which I did most of my Copenhagen, on either on the beer run or relieving Byland or Kirkham as her lower holds were fridge, Capt. Bill Laverack one of the best who I knew before I went to sea as I delivered his newspaper when I was at school, somebody mentioned an article about him in the local paper I kept that it is from The Goole Times dated Thurs. May 8th 2008. That seems to be all about ships for now. I will just correct, verify or add to a couple of past comments on these pages, Melodies was the Railway Hotel its name came from the time when it was owned or run by the parents of actor/comedian Tony Melody, Hughie Waters had it at the time most of us remember, here is the correction sorry to who it is meant for but Hughies wife was Betty not Mary, Charlie Hailstones wife was Mary. After he left the pub Hughie worked with me as a lorry driver for Lep Trasnsport well that seems to be all for now I feel like Max Bygraves, gonna tell you a story. Hope to read some good comments, corrections or whatever to this lot. Bye for now. P.S. Just remembered I was talking to Ken Bromley the other day and I asked him which AHL Captain flew the Blue Ensign he thought it was Jack Collier can someone verify. Bye again.
Ahoy Tony! You have a memory for names that matches Garies,I was from Leeds but don't regognise any of the names of which you speak, I am surprised that Hughie went truck driving as Melodies was such a thriving pub, seemed to be always full dependent on tide times of course. You have a Smith as Bosun on the Beeding, what year would that be? When I was on her Long Bill Johnston from Hove was Bosun and he had been on her from new, he was a permanent fixture on her and I would relieve him for his holidays, that was the middle fifties. You are correct Jack Collier was the blue ensign guy , he was Master on the Aire, in fact he was in command when she was hit and sunk just down river from Goole, a great guy by the name of Tute was Mate on her he became a Goole river pilot. A couple of "Goolies" I was with were George Cannon, Billy Guy,"buckie" Dent, "Lofty" Cornforth, and a couple of Leeds Guys were Jimmy Cooper, Aurther Mason (who has posted on here)and Pete Olley now sadly gone. I sailed with many more "Goolies " but names are not my strong point, but I am surprised you never mentioned Billy Guy,(he became a docker) as he was a star turn in Melodies with his renditions of Franckie Lane , but then maybe the era of which I speak is a little before your time, mines was the early 50's , joined my first ship in Goole in 1949 at the dock right outside Melodies front door Cheers H
Hi all Re my last posting,got to where I was mentioning Hughies wife hit something and scrubbed the lot, had to try remember and rewrite all I had written. Forgot the Haraldsburg Gary and the little grocers on the corner, Islands Brygge certainly altered from the wasteland full of raiway containers etc. One name I forgot from my re-write, Jim Costello cook on the Whitby also had a good poker school on there. Hamish re. Albert Smith I was on Broadhurrst with him mid 63 don`t know about his time on Beeding. I knew Billy Guy but as I said all the names I posted I had not seen mentioned before. To finish this posting, I have signed up to Ships Nostalgia, have found photos of every ship I was on except London there are thousands. Thats it bye for now. Nearly forgot, as you said Hamish, Jack Collier was on the Aire when she had the collision well Ken Bromley who I mentioned was on the wheel.
Hi guys once again. Tony, I well remember most of your list of former shipmates, plus a few more. Regarding the Byland Abbey, who could forget George Woofe, Len Jones, Pete Robinson (Doncaster), Tommy Leighton; all deckies but I recall George Coggan and Dennis Toulan were two of the M/M from the Byland. Many of these guys have unfortunately crossed the bar but the last time I was back, about four years ago, I chanced upon Dennis McKone AB, Kirkham Abbey and already mentioned Tom Waterland in Wetherspoons 'Town and Country'. The Graham (Toggie) who'se name you couldn,t place was Ramsden. His best buddy was Brian Temperton, who recently e-mailed me from Australia. Ray Mayo I also recall, although I never sailed with him. He was on the Byland Abbey at a different time. I understand he fell afoul of the Danish customs over an excess of Rizla products and had his Harley-Davidson confiscated (Cpt, Westerdale allowed him to take it aboard). I don't know if he ever got it back or not. Anyway guys, 's all for now so all the best and keep 'em coming.
Hi Gary you are right about Ray and the cig papers I think he spent a fortnight in clink over there, he got his bike back with lots of bits missing got rid and bought a brown and cream Vauxhall Cresta. A hearth rug arrived in a taxi when I got married he also sent me Johnny Cash Ring of Fire LP from the States last I heard of him he was in Rhodesia in the police but that was in 60s. Names you mentioned, sailed with Len Jones knew most of the others, I found a picture of Byland on photoships going through first bridge leaving Copes I think, looks like berth in background. Keep taxing the brain cells,see you.
Ahoy me hearties, just another item or two about the Byland Abbey and some of her crew (at the risk of boring our other contributors).
Tony, do you recall the Byland going into dry-dock at one point and having her fo'c'sle bulwarks raised about five feet? I was on her then but can't remember the reason. They never did it to any of the other Abbey ships. I know you had to stand on the old gunwales to see over. It did, however, provide a bit of wind protection at stations. Corby, maybe as a shipwright you could shed some light on it.
Regarding Ray Mayo Tony, you say he went to Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) and joined the police. I found it interesting, as I also went into the field of criminal justice here in Canada, having come to work as a welder. I spent 17 years as an Ontario Provincial Correctional Officer (screw). I sometimes used to look at the inmates and think, 'there but for the grace of God go I'. LOL!
Anyway folks, dinner's ready so I'll say adios for now.
Hi Gary my memories of Goole ships when most of them were sharp bowed. my favourite was Hilversum In heavy seas these ships would soon shed the water taken
Along came the "Spoon " bowed vessels which of course gave a larger working area on deck. but to to take a big one would mean a great deal more water on deck
Perhaps this mod of taking the sheerline another 5 ft higher was an attempt to increase buoyancy in an effort to keep her head up. Thus, less dunking with less loss of speed and less strain all round
New to this, a very interesting and knowledgeable lot you all are. I was wondering if any of you knew my Uncle Fred Barley. He was an AB on the SS Fort Lamy which was torpedoed off Southern Greenland in 1943. I have been doing some research and have actual photos of the U Boat which sank the ship, also the U Boat commander. If any of you had relations either on the SS Fort Lamy, or are related to any of the Crew (Nearly All of them perished I believe - Including my Uncle Fred).
It would be good to hear from any of you who knew about this ship or any of her crew.
Hi Gary, ref raising the bow on Byland, I tend to agree with Corby, seem to remember something about Capt. W. having it done to stop her playing submarines in heavy weather, also wasn`t he famed for never getting stuck in the ice. To change the subject I read in past comments a discussion I believe betwen Hamish and someone else (can`t find it now) as to the whereabouts of the Shipping Federation, Stanhope St. or East Parade, Shiping Federation (Pool) was E/P Mercantile Marine Office S/St. drove past the other day it`s getting demolished, half of it was a pile of rubble. TTFN.
Ian, like you I have a relative, my father, who was sunk off southern Greenland in WW2. Not only was I able to get a photo of the U boat involved (U85) and its commander, I was contacted by someone in East Germany whose father knew the commander. He was able to send me a photo taken by the submarine of my dad's ship (Thistleglen) sinking.
Fortunately my dad survived that attack and another sinking. He retired from the MN in 1953 and died in 1986. The fascinating thing was that the German chap was researching the same incident and our paths crossed as we were digging out the same records at the same time 60 years after the event.
Cor Tony thats going back a ways, it was a discussion between me and Pedro I recall getting off the bus from Leeds just round the corner from the pool , but the first stop was not the pool it was the toilets under the clock, which I believe was moved after I moved on to Canada, sometime after 57,I recall my query as to the street name, and pedro came back with the answer, and also the answer as to the two guys names who ran the office, one was an old s.o.b. and the other was a heavy set young guy who you could talk to (or should I say talk out of things)Then there was Jock the union guy whom you had to go see if you got a ship, that was another bunch of Malarkie, that must have been one old building it was shakie in 1950 should have been blown up then !! I suppose they will clear the land and sell "River Side" view lots at a terrible price, but I suppose that is progress
Ahoy Ian! Try your search on the website Ships Nostalgia, you have to sign, it but joining is easy, and there are many many knowledgeabe old salts on there, and still a few left that served in world war two, and the Russian convoys, good luck H
Ahoy Ian! What I have dug up so far regarding the Fort Lamy, she was launched as the War Peacock, renamed Portfield, and then Fort Lamy, she was sunk by U527 on 8/3/1943,does this agre with your records?H
Hi Gary on the subject of major alteration work in Ships. I have somewhere a DVD issued by Goole Chamber of commerce it carries you on a journey around the Docks and shows most of the work carried on there over the years One part struck me as very interesting There was a ship I believe may have been the Beeding or Henfield I was in dry dock to be lengthened!! It was cut all around. Then the two halves Jacked apart. I cannot remember how far but the gap was re plated and made good.I would like to know i any of our readers can show some light on this mammoth task and to what purpose
Yes you are correct, and many thanks for the information, I will investigate further.
Bill it was interesting to hear your tale about your Dad and luckily he survived the sinking. Also the efforts made by the German researcher who was, or is, also interested in this event. It just goes to show that in horrible and violent circumstances, even our then enemies carry thoughts of the war.
Hi Hamish, just a little diversion for you, see you`re on Ships Nostalgia, go on gallery to Ocean Liners and Cruise Ships search Atlantis right hand photo on top row enlarge and read comments then if you are on www.wrecksite.eu look up MV Palma (+1944) as you will see very personal to me. To return to East Parade the Pool and Union Office only the Peacock is left the rest of the block was demolished and is now the rear wall of the Leisure Centre. Look forward to any comment you make TC.
Did wonder if you were related to Freddy Clines when I first saw your name. My father(Phil Smith) sailed with Freddy on the Whitby Abbey - i recall my father calling him "red Freddy" due to his political sympathies. I have a picture of the Whitby Abbey catering crew in the bar - would be great if I could get a copy to you to see if you can put names to the faces.
Ahoy Tony! Very interesting, the old boy was lucky (depending on how you look at being torpedoed) but tell me, did he survive the War? I hope so, as 1944 was getting a bit late into it and maybe it took a while to get back to blighty, I note that the Atlantis was renamed from Andes, when I was at Gravesend sea school in 1949, my dorm was overlooking the river , and I remember the "new" Andes tying up at Tilbury (opposite to the school)a couple of times, all the catering trainees who were due to leave that weekend would get all of a twitter in the hopes of being sent to join her, don't know why her, as quite a few of the "straths" would come in too, but did not seem to generate the same excitement cheers H
been good to read all the stuff that been added since i was last on. Was sad to ear of the loss of Pedro gone but not forgotten. Speak to all later buy for now.
Hi H. yes he survived war, commanded Atlantis till she was taken out of service and he retired in 51, I am trying to find where I can get a record of his M/N career as I know very little about him and I am now eldest in the family so no one to ask. To Martin Smith sorry your father`s name does`t ring a bell can`t say when I was on Whitby as I can`t find my discharge book, probably sometime in 62. where are you are you local to Goole.
Ahoy Tony! Open a thread on SN and put your questions to those guys, there are several on there that seem to be very knowledgable and know how to navigate thru all the searches required at Kew and such places, and they seem to jump at a chance to get mixed up in old records, who knows you might find a few that have sailed with him, as he only retired in 52 which is not that far back, good luck H
Hello Tony -my dad was on the Whitby Abbey from 1954 till 1960 - he then went on to the Melrose Abbey /Leeds/York/Wakefield until AHL folded in 1971/72 -the photo I have is from 1955 so i suppose many in the photo will have moved on before you sailed on her in 1962. Am Hessle based.
Ian and Tony Ian was his name Fred Barley sure it was not Kenneth?and do you have a date of birth for him? And Tony do you have the years he was master of the Atlantis?He was torpedoed while master of the Palma in the Indian Ocean,his DOB is april 1891 and I believe he has a medal card at Kew which can be downloaded for 3pound 36p at s?uri=D4351797,got this info from SN and more to come when I have mr Barley's DOB Cheers H ps jump right in Tony on SN look under my post -info on two old mariners
Hi Hamish, found your thread on SN put info on for Roger and Hugh thanks for starting it. T.C
Yes it was definitely my Uncle Kenneth. Fred was his younger brother and worked on the railway at Goole as a driver. My uncle Fred lived down Newport street and died in his eighties.
Uncle Kenneth was torpedoed by; I think it was U521 just south of Greenland.
Hi Hamish. sorry my uncle Kenneth was born in 1910 Dont know the month, but he was younger than my Uncle Fred, not older as I thought.
Ahoy Ian so his name was Kenneth, thats what the SN guys have as his name as one of the victims of the sinking, I will relay that info , and I believe he has a medal due, but more on that also, or why don't you join SN and feed in your own info sos you get feedback straight from the horses mouth so to speak, and you can also feed in your own questions cheers H
Sorry to be a nuisance, but it would be good to here if My Uncle Kenneth has a medal to come. How do I join the SN?
Hi folks. I've been keeping up to date on your most recent postings but have nothing to contribute on the subjects mentioned.
One thing Hamish, you refer to SN on a couple of your posts; pardon my ignorance but what is it and how do I access it? It sounds interesting.
Ships nostalgia.Just type in search engine.
Hi Gary, have you found ships nostalgia yet, just register then login every time you go on the site, loads of interesting stuff on there, if you follow my little diversion for Hamish you`ll find out what we were talking about. HAMISH, had a wander around Goole yesterday only three ships in dock went on lock hill to Seamans Memorial but every where else fenced off can`t go anywhere now, only public right of way is from Lowther across bridge along walkway to Ocean Lock.
Ahoy Guys!! I have answered a couple of posts on here, but nothing has shown up yet ,must be a glitch someplace
Cor stone the crows that one got straight thru? no vetting? Anyhoo Gary Just put ships nostalgia into your search engine and go from there its just that easy, and to anyone reading this one does not have to be an ex Mariner to join just have an interest in ships.
I have just received the news That my oldest friend passed away
John Appleyard served his apprenticeship at the Goole Shipyard After which he joined the MN and went Deep sea the most of his life. In later years on tne Abbey boats .followed by the Power Stations a well loved man of my era died at his home in Nafferton
My Thoughts are now with Janet his wife also Mandy and Kay his daughters
Quiet on these pages, is every one on holiday?
To Stuart (webmaster), On The Docks page there is a photo of Fountains Abbey in Ocean Lock and a comment posted 2010 from Ray Mayo is there an e mail address for him or send mine to him and ask him to get in touch . Thanks TC.
Ahoy Tony! Be back on full board day!! (do they still do that ?)cheers H
Hi Hamish, don`t need full board now, most pubs are open 1100-2300 better than F/B day.
Ahoy Tony! Forgot about the changed hours, it was full board day in my days , so what you are saying is, tide times have to be in the middle of the night every day of the week now
Ahoy again messmates, your posts about 'full-board day' brought back some happy memories. If memory sefves, the pubs were still supposed to close at 5 pm for an hour for clean-up purposes but not many did. Tne 'Sydney' e.g. springs to mind. They just closed the doors so that you couldn't get in or out.
I always thought it was for market day; a throw back to the days when the farmers from around the area came to hawk their produce and spend the day in the 'big city'.
Still, it came in handy for us thirsty and weary mariners (Yuk-yuk!)
'Sall for now guys, keep that lamp swinging.
Gary your`e right about Full Board day (Wednesday) but it only applied to the main street i.e. Boothferry Rd. and Aire St. and Ouse St. because they were the old town main streets so in our time to my reckoning it only took in seven pubs, North Eastern, Tavern, George, Sydney, Mac, Royal, Lowther and Crown, I don`t think Station was in because it was wrong side of railway although Steam Packet might have been one.
Sorry can`t count thats eight pubs, is it Wed? On about counting do you remember The Count, bosun on the York.
Ahoy Gary you are correct I recall it being Market Day too, and Tony I do believe there were more pubs than your eight count open, all the "hole in the wall" pubs on Bridge street were open, melodies and the Vymuden(s) forsure, as I can recall the trek(stagger) from Charlies to melodieswhen docked in West dock?on the butter boats,I recall a block of public toilets on the side of Bridge streetwhich were very convienent when on said trek
Hamish, I agree that those you mention were open but I think it was full board day every day with them. LOL
Regarding the 'full-board day' pubs, I agree with Hamish that there were more than eight.
From the 'Lowther' down Aire Street, there was the 'Crown'; 'Royal' 'Mackintosh'and the 'Sydney' onto Boothferry Rd was the 'George', 'Railway'
(Charlies), the 'North Eastern'. There was also the 'Burlington' on Burlington Cresc.
Bridge Street was home to 'Melodies', then the 'Vermuden', plus the Top-house,, Middle-house and Bottom-house on South Street, the names of which I have completely forgotten. That makes at least fourteen.
There was also a pub next door to 'Melodies' but again I don;t recall the name or if it was a full boarder. Can't think of any more off-hand so I'll not bore you further.
Bye for now.
This may be of historic interest and I can't vouch for its accuracy. It's a list of pubs said to be existing in 1890 shown on a map compiled by B.Masterman.
C/o Bridge St & Doyle St - Cape of Good Hope
Bottom of Bridge St - Anchor Inn later renamed Vemuyden Hotel
Opp the Vermuyden - Canal Tavern possibly renamed Blacksmiths
South Street - Dock Tavern
c/o South St & Quay St - Mariners Arms
Quay St - Ship Hotel
c/o South Street & Dock St - Free Gardeners
Barge Dock Side - Hole in the Wall (real name thought to be Newark Castle Inn)
Doyle Street - Keel Inn, Jolly Sailor,Clarence Hotel, The Grapes, Sun Inn, Buchanan Hotel, Foundry Arms.
Albert Street - Wheatsheaf Hotel, Railway Hotel
Hi - There's a picture of the map on page 10 of the document below. I seem to recall it was on display inside the Macintosh down Aire Street at one point
Thanks for the memory jogger Bill, re, the 'Railway' and 'Wheatsheaf' on Albert St, Also the 'Cape' and the pubs on South St.
Some of the others I don't recall at all. Maybe they were gone before I started sailing out of Goole in the late 50s
Greetings guys !Jog my memory, what was the real name of. Melodies?An. Yes Gary there was a pub next door to Melodies and as I recall it did not have electrical hook upI seem to recall sitting in there swamping beer to the glow of parafin lamps (tillies) very cozy
Hamish, it was the Railway Hotel now just an open space at the end of the street along with the Wheatsheaf.
Gary, some of those pubs were gone before you were born never mind before you started sailing out of Goole
Funny no one seems to mention the ' Sidney Hotel ' on Aire St , that had full board as well !!
help I was on one of the ahl ships early 60's think it was byland or bolton abbey running from Goole to Amsterdam can anyone tell me the where she docked in Amsterdam please I know its a hard one but I'm thinking of going to Amsterdam to look at the sights but I am prepared to get lost after all it was around 50 years ago when I went to goole the only place that rang any bells was the north eastern george and peacock all pubs but could not find my old stamping ground melodies I could'nt find if Pete Brannigan reads this give me a shout anyone else who sailed with me -----george
KEITH, see my posting 21/3/14 13:01 re. full board day, also did you see my answer on Pubs page regarding Ferryboat.
To George Robinson, you will have to think again about the ship you were on, Byland Abbey did Goole - Copenhagen and Bolton Abbey did Hull - Rotterdam. I can`t remember which ship went to Amsterdam but it was Selby, Harrogate or Darlington
George sorry din`t finish, Melodies is no more, got flattened a few yars ago along with Wheatsheaf which was next door
goerge robinson. asking about .pete brannigan
in 1995 i sailed with a pete brannigan on the everards seniority .
he was the mate.i believe he was living in the doncaster area.
he will be retired naw.
Hi Tony, Yes saw your post on the pubs, but what I really meant was most of the old pubs no longer around, always seem to be in mind . The Sidney very rarely gets a mention even though it was at one time one of the major inns in Goole. The Ferry Boat was has you mentioned and as I thought, known earlier as the Riverside.But do you know where all Goole's Breweries were?
Ahoy Guys Back in my prehistoric days at sea I was on the AHL Aire which ran to. Rotterdam and Amsterdam both ports in one trip, the Blyth did Antwerp Ghentin one trip,A good thing to do in Amsterdam is to take the Hop on Hop off canal boats there are about five of them which one can do in one day,I was the same back after sixty years and didn't regognise a thing, in fact Amsterdam is dead now as far as shipping is concerned all kinds of barrges but except for the odd cruise ship nothing,Rotterdam is the main place now, but what ever you do WATCH OUT FOR BIKES !! ten times worse than Goole used to be
are there any Rockett's left in Goole
Sorry Keith don`t know anything about old breweries in Goole, there might be something on the map Stewart mentioned on 31/3 /14. I Googled old breweries in goole yorkshire uk but all it brought up was Old Mil Brewery in Snaith.
TC ther was a brewery at West Cowick, it was purchased by the Hull Brewery Co and was used for storage, I can remember delivering many loads of cigarettes to the old Brewery. It was taken over by Snaith brewery, All this took place when I worked for British Rail working from the goods yard in the station yard.Most of the shops in Goole-had their goods also arrived at goole via British rail catalogs co parcels arrived also by rail there was myself Ken Batty.Harry Yeoman who was the deliver drivers for Goole and the local aria,for British Rail this took place in the early 1960s
Regards N R
The Brewery I was thinking of in Goole I think, was Heptonstalls ( I believe was related to Ralf at Heppies in Hook ) It was sited opposite Lidl on North street where the Gibraltar Flats are now . C&F Easton;s building firm occupied this position after the brewery closed. They was also Cowells on Carter St and Shorts on First Ave but I think they only bottled beer.
The rather large building in Forth Avenue was called the carabine building, I have seen Cod Bottles with that name on a Bottle,the first bottle shown to me was found on the river bank at Laxton.
My Sister has the other one, the person who gave me this information about the Carabine Family has past on,he was born in 4th Avenue he lived to be 84 has anyone got any information about the Carabine Lemonade Co.
Regards N R
Hi our Farther before during and after WW2 worked very hard along with many more hard working Goole dockers.
Our farther was a coal trimmer working up to 18 hours a day for 7 days a week,this was to keep our Power Station Hospitals Schools and Industry's working in south of England, throughout the War and after well into the 1950s,the Colliers of the day had very small hatches the coal trimmers were in the ships hold with a shovel,when the tom Puddings was emptied into the ships hold it was the job of the coal trimmer to level the coal out and move the coal under the decks.
How many of you merchant seamen could see how hard these men where working so you and your shipmates could pen out into the river Ouse and into the North Sea sailing for the south of England,them who sailed during the War they was very brave men not knowing what was waiting for them they knew they had job to do and they got on with it regardless, many of our brave sailers never returned to port R.I.P.
Our Farther failed his medical to enlist he was asked if he would volunteer to work at other U/K ports he did I Remember he said that he was sent to Leith docks to work on coal and cargo ships.
The amount of coal dust these men must have swallowed this dust stopped in there lungs for the rest of there lives we know how it affected our farther over the years they liked a pint or two maybe a few more can you blame them they had to clean there throats out some how.
I do hope I have not bored you to death as some would say,I do hope at leased some one will find some interesting reading about our hard working Goole Dockers and Seamen.
Regards N R
Hello Norman I was impressed by your posting covering the plight of the coal trimmers and all involved in the movement of coal from Goole If your father was also named Norman He possibly worked alongside my father and cousin Jim and also all these brave men
Sometime ago I wrote a tribute to these men.One still exists in the History groups "Norseman" magazine. There was an entry in the "Tom Pudding" page of this fine work. But has disappeared. Possibly in the Archives I also sent it to the Goole Times. but it never made their pagesIf you are interested in reading it please contact me
Incidently was your father involved in livering the Koduma.The Estonian ship which,whilst exiting the locks hit the opposite bank Then rolled over. Coal trimmers livered most of the cargo in huge baskets into barges.My cousin Jim was involved.He told me all involved were soaked to the skin in trying to save the cargo.The Ship was blown up and I remember hearing the huge explosion
Thanks Corby, our dad's name was Albert Ernest Roberts he worked most of time on the docks Trimming and at the brick shed in air street loading brick to railway wagons,they had a regular gang, and did not have to go pushing there books at the Forman searching for the best men to work the ship they had been allocated.
Our dad was known as Buck Wilson to his workmates have not got a clue why maybe because he had an allotment at the rear of Oxford Road with up to 100 Rabbits.
kind Regards N R
Hey Norman didn`t know your old man was a trimmer, when did he finish, I knew most of them in the early 60s do you know which gang he worked with. We used to pay half a crown each which went towards the kids Xmas party and the trimmers moved the ship up and down under the chute. The ships were pretty much self trimming then they only had to go in and pull the coal under the wings when the hold was getting full. They would tell us what time it would be finished and all we had to do was come back to batten down and wash down. On the Lancing we usually went to the 32, thats the one where the cement silos are now or No5 which is the preserved one near the museum they could both knock 2000 tons in in four and a half hours, didn`t allow much time at home, in on the morning tide back out on the night.
Hi Norman and Tony My dad retires in 1955 although the latter years he worked for Bennets as a checkerHe trimmed coal in the days when all would go home in their muck to the tin bath He worked with other relatives Jim and Bobby Bunting and Walter (Buster) Hattersley.Before them other relatives included William (Tash) Spenceley.Charlie Shipley,my Granddad Arthur Bunting and brother Richard.
What is this thing with coal trimmers and rabbits my dad had many plus his Step father Tash He also got me started when we moved to Malvern Rd. I had a good litle business going selling Belgian Hares and Flemish Giants for the table at 5/- each
T/ C and Corby, I had a job trying to find when dad retired I rang three of my sisters, I must have been on the phone a couple of hours and got nowhere we think it was roundabout 1969.
Corby, dads trimming gang was Leo And Jack Magivron I think the spelling could be wrong I can not remember any of the other blokes in the gang,Leo was the Forman I think he lived down Limetree Avenue.
T/C if you was on board when the gang went for a couple of pints dad was the one left on board looking after the fort he did not go with them, T/C if you ask if Ernest Roberts was on board they wouldn't know who you was talking about but if you said is Buck Wilson on board they would have said I he's he's down there shovelling,I had two brother-in-laws on the docks Jack Buck he worked the cranes and hoist tipping the coal Eddie Killgallon work-ed general cargo.
Corby we also had Hares there was all ways one hung in the coal house bit strong for me I also sold wallflower out of a wicker basket on Pasture Road what dad had grown at the allotment, it's nice to pass on memory's P/S my sisters would not eat the rabbits
Regards N R
T/C you made a comment about getting little time at home when the Boat was being loaded, I remember pop coming home he was as pleased as punch he came home and said we got the boat on the tide and it's going out on the next tide, it must have had many tons of coal below decks it was not like him to brag he said that it was the first time this had been done at Goole.
Did you know John Broadhead john sailed out of Goole on the butter boats he was my best man at my wedding I was his best man at his wedding,John sailed out of Goole early 1960 we was there at the opening of the seamans bar and digs,it was the last house in North Street I remember drinking Newcastle Brown Ale In pint bottles you didn't want many of them be for you was away with the mixer.
Regards N R
Hi Norman. At last we have someone in common John Broadhead Husband of my wife's cousin Pauline nee Risebury who was one of our bridesmaids at our wedding aged 9.We like Johnand always visit them when we come home.In fact I spoke to him last week. A great guy.you spoke of Newcastle Brown I recall going to a wedding in Barnard Castle when that brew was not seen in Goole everyone was pushing these bottles my way. Resulting in me losing two days of my life Powerful stuff
Back to the Rabbits to have the head given when eating Rabbit pie was a treat.Because you had the brain. When my sister Elsie got married we were invited to her new home for a meal.the meal was Rabbit Pie she thought she was doing me a favour by giving me the head.She had failed to remove the eyes.The sight of those big Blue eyes put me off Rabbit for some time
Norman I think what your dad was bragging about was getting a ship in and out on the same tide as most of the regular ships were in on one and out on the next, Lancing and Steyning ran to Brighton Gas Works at Portslade, running hard in winter doing three trips a fortnight we went six weeks without a night in port. Can`t place John, only Broadhead I can think of is Lawrence.
Corby, My relatives in the north-east used to eat cows', heels, pigs' trotters and tripe. But surely you are kidding us about eating rabbit heads and brains!!!!
Hi Bill.Don't tell me that you have never tied Sheeps/ Pigs head brawn Which the way m Dad made it included the Brain. when we gutted a rabbit we first removed the inards but kept the Heart and Liver The kidneys remained ithin the carcass of course. But the most important thing to remember was to remove the Gall Bladder from within the Liver or the whole dish would be spoiled.
I find nothing wrong with eating brains. In some countriesthey eat eyes. This I would draw the line at
Hi Corby, clearly your generation is made of sterner stuff than us squeamish softies. Best wishes, bill
T/C it must have been me dad wouldn't say they had done something if they did not, i must have got it wrong it was 50years ago,i know they did something special for him to talk about it.
T/C John was known as thatch cos of his blond hair you may have known by his nick name.
Corby in the early day I used to go to Crappers Butchers with a bowl to be filled with hot ducks absolutely fabulous, also as you said cow heel pigs trotters and chicklings don't forget tripe i would eat a couple of pound of tripe if was put in front of me,with plenty of vinegar and pepper on it,its unfortunate it don't like me P/S not all in the same bowl.
To Bill and Norman My Paternal side of the family were Norfolk immigrants who sought a better life. Being country folk and knew the ways of the land. Their knowledge was transmitted via my Grandfather who died at an early age through a Pulminary disease caused by the line of work he was not used to .Namely, Coal trimming. He was not alone for many other followed the same fate. My Dad picked up much of his fathers country knowledge although he was only 11 at the time of his Dads death.One thing stands out for example. He would go out Mushrooming and return with a haul of strange fungi. One in particular he called Bluestalks which were delicious. I have never been able to find the true name of this fungus.
So you see strange eating habits are not harmful We were a constant customer of the Tripe shops in Carlisle Street and Pasture Road. by the way you missed one out .Lovely Udder
Corby relating to blue storks, we arrived at our best spot checking no one was following,we hid our bikes in a dike crossed the fields this bird would take to the sky and make one hell of a noise,pop would say its a felfer or phelfer it's warning the farmer we are here,when we arrived at our spot the field was full of blue storks and I mean full,pop only had one customer for blue storks so we just got a few and left the rest another good mushroom hunter was Bill Oldridge and his son Mike bill was also a docker i can see Bill turning into Red Lion St off Pasture Rd with his bail hook hanging from his handle bars at dinner time I have to go now my dinners ready bye.
Regards N R
Corby I acquired a bridge brass plaque belonging to the MV Sagacity a dry cargo boat built for FT Everards at Goole shipyard she was launch 1973.
When the yard closed apparently all stock was removed to Selby yard this plaque was sold along with a load of other old scrap when Selby yard closed,I bought it for safe keeping it was going to be sold at a car boot sale.
The boat had three other names ie Sagacitas Bahamas Risan N/Korea and Maya 1 Panama broken up 29-3-2011 the thing is the plaques dated 1972 only thing I can think of is that the boats launch was delayed and a replacement plaque was made, I loaned it to the Goole museum for there last shipping display,they made a good job displaying it,it will be past on ether to Goole or Waterways Museum,Goole museum displayed it well along with a very nice photo of the boat any ideas.
Regards N R
I don't know what to suggest on that one Norman
Memorabilia is a strange market Sometimes torn between sentiment and financial gain
Corby I wasn't interested in what the Plaque was worth it was the dates that confused me,why was the Plaque dated 1972 when the Boat's launch was 1973.
Thinking about it now it must have been a delay in the building of the boat,delaying the launch.
Tony my Great Great Grandfathers brother John Williamson was a seafarer in1851 he joined the Royal Navy and set sail for the Crimea on a ship called ( Tiger ).
during a battle of Sebastopol in thick fog the skipper ran aground the Russians took over the Tiger and renamed her (Tigar).
He lived on black bread and water for many months a prisoner,he was repatriated and rejoined the Royal Navy to be shipwrecked three times more the last time it was on the Goodwin Sands he was lucky to live through that one he returned back to Bridlington to restart his shoe making business he was shipwrecked more times then Uncle Albert on only fools and Horses.
P/S I was unable to find a list of the crews names of the ( Tiger ) it would have been nice to find out his status on board ship.
Regards N R
GARYand HAMISH hope you`re still there keeping a weather eye and good lookout, not much shipping about these days though.All the best Tony.
Ahoy Tony ! Yes still here just keeping a weather eye on Scotlands independence vote coming up on SN among other things, will be over there and France in August but wont have the time to make it down to Goole
To all you knowledgeable people does any one know anything about the Lesrix sailing from Goole probably 1963 and sinking, any details?
Hi Tony have you tried putting MV Lesrix into Google? There quite a bit of information available. Regards Wilf.
Taken from there:-
Lesrix, Hull collier (owners J. R. Rix and Sons), 590 tons, lost with crew of nine in the English Channel (between Portland Bill and Start Point) on 31 Oct-1 Nov 1960, while taking a cargo of coal from Goole to Hayle, Cornwall. The casualties were:
Captain George Simison (master), aged 63, of Park Avenue, Hull.
William Thomas Hughes, aged 24, of Longfellow Road, Bootle.
John Henry Lee, aged 22, of Hull Road, Hessle.
George William Acey, aged 39, steward cook, of Priory Road, Hull.
Lewis Buchan Coull, aged 45, chief engineer, of Camelon Street, Thornaby-on-Tees.
Dudley Charles Priddle, aged 18, of Barbican Hill East, Looe, Cornwall.
Frederick Walter Furness, aged 34, second engineer, of Queensgate Street, Hull.
James Owens, of Carrickfergus, co. Antrim.
One other crewman unnamed.
No trace ever found of the skipper and one member of the crew.
Paul and Wilf, thanks for your replies, I did Google Lesrix after I had posted and found the information. I was asking in answer to a thread on SN about J.R.Rix & Co. ships. Thanks again T.C.
No doubt you will have discovered that J.R.Rix and Sons lost another vessel, SS.Lesrix in January 1942, shipwrecked at Hackley Head nr.Newburgh.
Blue Stalks are also known as Wood Blewit, and are a species of filamentous fungus Clitocybe nuda.
Delicious, lots of flavour, unlike the tasteless button mushrooms sold by supermarkets.
Felfer is the dialect name for The Fieldfare (Turdus pilaris) which looks like a starling but is a member of the thrush family Turdidae. It breeds in woodland and scrub in northern Europe and Asia. It is strongly migratory, with many northern birds moving south during the winter. It is a very rare breeder in the British Isles, but winters in large numbers in the United Kingdom,
Hello Glynne Before I become accused of using tis page for Nature study an Culinary delights and not for its true intent. I more than anyone love to read about Ships and those who served in them.
However.the people who used this sight for memories are rapidly becoming thin on the ground.A sign of the times
To answer your question about Blue stalks. I am over the Moon to read your explanation.
As for Fieldfares They flourish in an area close to where I live in the New Forest and can be seen on what was once Beauleu airfield
A now disused War time area now named Stockley. When I first saw them I assumed that they were Mistle Thrush but was put right by the many experts which visit.
My apologies to those few who look for Ships only on this page
Apology accepted Corby, I had the same feeling when we were talking about pubs a while back,hope you`re keeping well darn sarf, LOL all the best TC.
Re: M.V. Lesrix. I sailed on her for three weeks in June 1959. Joined in Goole and paid-off in Blyth.
The unnamed crew member who was lost was probably the Mate, Frank Cooper who had previously been Mate on some of the AHL ships; notably the Byland Abbey.
I seem to recall reading about it in the local paper at the time.
Hope this fills in a blank.
Gary, according to wreck report James Owens was mate, I have some thoughts, will send e.mail see what you think.TC
The Board of Trade report into the loss of the Lesrix was inconclusive mentioning the possibility of a mine,a collision and possible problem with the hatch(es). Seemed to discount cargo movement. Any theories?
Paul, I think it will remain a mystery, like me you seem to have read through the BoT report, according to Niton Radio there was no distress call, weather wasn`t bad only force 3 or 4 and visability good to fair in drizzle, so there doesn`t seem to be any outcome.
Could Wendy Owen contact me regarding The Grace family
Hi Karen, my great grandfather was a sea captain in Goole up until 1955 sailing the Don and many other ships so I may be able to help you re the painting. Julie
My email is firstname.lastname@example.org Julie
Change of subject and pace, as we seem to be getting bogged down with items unrelated to ships and the men who used to crew them.
I recently read an item from the 'Hull Daily Mail', which covers all of the East Riding, including Goole.
Apparently, three crew members of a German ship which was berthed in West Dock became ill and were rushed to hospital, where they unfortunately died. Tragic as it is, it raises an issue dear to us all - ex merchant seamen that is - as to what has become of the merchant navy that we once knew?
We do not know the cause of this tragic incident as yet but it does raise the question of why a German ship was crewed by Phillipinos (two of the three casualties were from that country)
Pretty much like the British MN today, where crews are drawn from many third world countries; not least of all because they will work for peanuts and are not bound by 'union rules', and the shipowners get a free pass on paying taxes and such.
C'est la vie, some things never change.
Whilst researching my family tree I found out that my wife's great great great grandad was Captain John Hunt of Knottingley and he owned an 80 ton Schooner "John & Mary" Reg 47127 registered in Goole in 1880/90 built in 1864. (I assume named after him and his wife Mary Hunt nee Parker)
Can anyone tell me more about this boat or where I might find info or a photo of it?
Hi Gary, nice to see your name on the board again, ref. Suntis, nothing on todays Hull Mail page that I get on email but Goole Times is out today, may be more details in that, will let you know when I get it.
its me again george robinson about an old A.H.L ship I was on it was early to mid 60s definitely sailed from goole it might have been to antwerp or amsterdam just got my first passport am now 70 so want to go to where it sailed I know its a long shot could anyone help please
Hello Gary, further to your post of 29/5. There is a book by Captain Bernard Evans (SOS Men Against the Sea) which (on pages196/7) gives a very succinct and worrying description of the state of the crews and vessels involved in merchant shipping today. Too long to quote here but it explains the irresistible attraction of the financial savings to ship owners of using flags of convenience. And the dangers of using crews and officers with forged credentials and no common language. I came to know of Captain Evans when researching my dad's war history. He (Evans) wrote another book called Attack and Sink which describes the U boat attack on Convoy SC42 (my dad was on board Thistleglen). Bernard Evans is a good and knowledgeable writer on merchant navy subjects who I can recommend strongly.
Tony Clyne & Norman Roberts. The old brewery at West Cowick was Hartley's. I worked there just after leaving school mid 50's. It was as you say taken over by Hull Brewery from Hartleys. Hope you and your families are both o.k. Benidorm is HOT.
FAO George Robinson
AHL services from Goole/Hull as follows -as you see there was no Goole-Antwerp sailing -the AHL Antwerp service was from Hull - so more likely Rotterdam or Amsterdam.
1935 - 1939 : Goole to German, Dutch and Belgian Ports.
1935 - 1939 : Goole to some French Ports with southern limit at Bordeaux.
1946 - 1964 : Goole to Rotterdam and Amsterdam.
1946 - 1965 : Goole to Copenhagen and Bremen.
1946 - 1967 : Hull to Amsterdam, Bremen and Hamburg.
1946 - 1971 : Hull to Antwerp and Rotterdam.
I beg to differ on the Antwerp sailings,early 50's ,Goole to Antwerp and Ghent, although we did stop in at Hull on the return trip for an overnight stay.
Hi Hamish and Martin, nice to be back talking about ships, sorry Martin but I`m with Hamish on this. Early 60s Leeds and Wakefield did Antwerp from Goole , I was on both of them, Ghent was also on this run but very seldom went, Harrogate Darlington and Selby ran two on Rotterdam and one Amsterdam can`t remember which did Amsterdam, Whitby and Fountains Bremen and Hamburg, Byland and Kirkham Copenhagen and York Copenhgen beer run or relieving. German and Antwerp ships sometimes stopped at Hull on return, only sailings from Hull were Melrose and Bolton to Rotterdam. T.C
Hi, me again, I never went to Ghent but remember seeing York in lock for Ghent when we were on our way up to Antwerp. T.C.
Hi Gary,hope you`re still out there, sorry but looking back through postings I never got back to you about MV Suntis, it was reported in the Goole Times that they died through lack of oxygen, working in a confined space with a depleted oxygen supply. Fully agree with your comment on saving the pennies. Health people put out a warning to employers about people working in these conditions. Reminded me of tank diving on BP Tankers but we only did quarter of an hour then up for a tot. Bye T.C .
I give way to you on this one -it was a lift off the AHL wikipedia page. But I do recall that after 1968 most of the Goole routes closed and moved to Hull. Certainly the last AHL sailings in 1971 were from Hull to Antwerp and Rotterdam - the Leeds making the last Antwerp trip and the Melrose Abbey the last Rotterdam trip - end of November 1971.
As an aside I aquired a great find a few weeks ago -a 4 1/2 foot scratch model of the MV Kirkham Abbey from an Antique dealer in Hull - found in a lock up so dont know who made it- am setting about its restoration following decades of negelct.
Ahoy Gary sorry for the time lag but the writing was on the wall(excuse the pun) way back in the early fifties regarding crew changes, I remember joining my first BTC tanker in Falmouth the British Reliance, and written in "Weld" on the cross beams outside every crew members cabin was the legend ,occupancy, two whites, six Lascars, we of course said it would never happen, but happen it did, only the numbers were wrong because of ships size and lower manning numbers, and it is still happening until one day you will see "uncrewed"ships
Just back from a week in Florida. It was MARVELOUS.
Also had the opportunity to visit with another ex-Goolie for a day. A guy by the name of John Myers, who used to live on Western Road (or should I say Rooad). He now lives in Bellaire, just south of Clearwater, on the Gulf of Mexico side.
He was my eldest son's best buddy growing up in Goole in the late sixties, early seventies (still is).
Anyone who recognizes the name can get contact info from me via this site.
Sorry about the deviation from shipping issues but what the heck?
The Red Ensign still remains supreme!
Speaking of ensigns Gary ,Captain Collier on the "Aire" flew the RNR pennant every time we entered port, what was the history of that,does anyone know?
a person who works for the usa discovery channel is looking for anyone who has lived on a barge or living aboard a barge as a permanent home the information may be used in a programme or study please contact me
Hamish, both Capt. Colliers were RNR and when I was on the AHL ships they flew the Blue Ensign instead of the regular Red Duster, when one of them was on the York he attracted the attention of the Ruskie Navy around the Baltic area. T.C.
Greetings Tony ! I don't recall the RNR flag being flown in place of the duster, but in addition to it, the duster was always back aft while the blue ensign was in the bow or on a halyard amid ships,but my question really was ,why did these gents have the privilege to fly it ? Not because they were RNR
Regarding the blue ensign v the red ensign issue, it is my understanding that any ship whose captain or crew members were either ex-RN or RNVR, was entitled to fly the blue ensign.
Especially if they served in a war time situation.
It merely signified that there were personnel aboard who had served in both the RN and the MN.
Two examples I can bring to mind were the Orontes of the Orient Line and the Escalante of the Royal Mail Line. Both flew the blue ensign; with pride, I may add.
Ahoy Gary!! I think there was more to it than that! just being an ex member did not give one the entitlement(except for Canadian senate members, sense of entitlement I mean)I sailed with a couple of High ranking RNVR masters, and in fact Elders and Fyffe's(?) were mostly manned on the upper deck by ex RN Gadgies and none of them flew the Jack, and I doubt it would have been flown in place of the duster! But will keep digging, cheers H
Me Again!! Just had a request via SN for some history on the "Hebble" of AHL vintage, the question was- how come the Hebble shows very little seatime for the year 1948? was she layed up. boiler trouble or et all?? Any one of you Goolie historians Know??
AHL Wikipedia re the Hebble. "Grounded off River Elbe in February 1947 and suffered rudder and propellor damage." Being recovered and repaired into 1948?
Thanks Paul! That helps
Hi Hamish, re Hebble delayed at Hamburg with ice damage 27 February to 4 May 1947. Sailed as normal until 4 June 1948 laid up at Goole, resumed sailing 1 January 1949
Thanks Transportman, have passed on your info cheers H
Ahoy Gary! Take a look at my post on SN re the blue flag, got some great replies and the whole thing explained, entitlement, etc etc cheers H
Hi there Hamish, read all comments on SN, very interesting and like you say in your last posting I think that`s answered all your queries, keep flying the flag cheers T.C.
Hi guys, re: the blue ensign issue. I did not see your SN input Hamish, but I did look it up on Wikipedia, and was surprised to see who is actually entitled to fly the blue ensign.
Yacht clubs for example, from all over the globe.
However, my initial posting seems to bear me out that, regarding merchant navy ships, it was mostly the percentage of crew members ( Captain and officers mainly) who were ex RN or serving members of the RNR.
Look it up guys, just click on Wikipedia and punch in 'blue ensign'.
September 1955 Fountains Abbey suffered serious engine failure while on route Goole to Amsterdam, had to be towed into Yarmouth then on to Grimsby for repairs. Anybody know what the failure was or anything else about the incident
Ahoy Gary! First a word of caution,Wikipedia is notoriously inaccurate and subject to the personal opinions of the poster!And as to having a "set" number of crew to be able to fly the said flag, I think that would be a very hard thing to do on AHL,I know back in my day (early fifties)the deck and engineroom staff (firemen) had new faces just about every trip,mostly established pool members(like me) who were forced to take them.and to make a point, how many "crew"would you have on a private yacht?Yet they are allowed to fly it as long as they are flying the clubs burgee
Anyone got any info on the "Don" hitting pack ice on a trip to Copenhagen, and having her Prop? Rudder? damaged, being repaired in Malmo circa 1956
Hi Hamish, I`m waiting to catch Barry Krebbs regards my posting Fountains Abbey, he was with AHL at the time, fetched one of the ships new from Aberdeen so he might know about Fountains and Don, keep in touch T.C.
To Transportman, re my post 17/07/2014 just answered Avalon on SN see you beat me to it. Is Barry Krebs your uncle or someone else who was on the ship T.C.
Seems to me we want to be going back to having postings verified before they are visible
The Ships page has long been the main source of information mainly because being a Port most people know or are related to mariners and the ships they loved . Followed by stories which we loved to read about. Of late posts were a little thin on the ground.but gradually brgan to pick up through Hamish and co.
So now.Out of the far blue yonder we are been invaded by the American contingent? Are they really genuine posts. These Cool people who do not specify any story in particular?
I hear you Corby. I can't figure out who these losers are either. but somehow they have invaded this web-site with stuff that bears no resemblance whatsoever to what it is supposed to be.
Time for a clean up!
Meanwhile, keep posting guys.
Aargh - too much spam again! Usually it's automatically hidden. I'll put this page back to being moderated for a short while. They usually go away.
I only check the site every few days so be patient.
Hamish, not seen Barry yet and can`t contact him he`s not in phone book. See Gary and Corby agree about the spam hope it works Stuart.T.C.
Ahoy Tony! Avalon on SN is the guy I am trying to find out about the "Dons "skirmish for, I wonder?
Hi Tony. No. My uncle was Frank Schultz. left AHL ships 1958, sailed on BEA ships then Port Line, Hogarth's and Esso.
I see you managed to get rid of the spam scammers: Perhaps we can get down to business as usual again.
Let's hear it for the web man. Yeah!
Hamish, I was looking on SN and came across Fountains Abbey, that`s what I was answering, both Transportman and I replied but so far he`s not come back. Go on SN key F.Abbey in search forums youi will see what we were on, didn`t see anything about Don but will have a look. Cheers T.C.
Ahoy Tony! A guy going by the name avlon sent me a private E mail via SN, asking about the Don and pack ice, he signed his name as Phil, but unfortunately I know Knowt about it, (unless you guys can help me get an answer for him)Cheers H
Agree Gary, Well done Stuart. T.C.
Oops! Looks like I spoke too soon guys.
Hopefully the spam is now under control! I'll tempt fate by leaving the page unmoderated while I'm away on holiday(!)
Some of the more astute readers noticed that the What's New page was incorrectly including the spam feedback in the 'most recent feedback' list. This should now work as expected and the dates should be more realistic
just got back from isle of white and looked at your web
site re old ahl ship i was on it was the whitby abbey got pictures of it from search for old ships thanks for the help now have to save up for amsterdam trip thanks for the help
like to hear from any of my old shipmates that sailed on ahl from goole my first ship was the derne in the 1950s ended upbeing the bosun on the Whitby abbey til 1964
Eh-up Tom, Glad to see that you are still on the scene.
How's the Byland Abbey sound? Bos'n Ken Hammond; George Woof (AB); Len Jones (AB); George Wright (AB); George Coggan (MM); Dennis Toulan (MM); plus many more too numerous to mention at this point.
Thom Westerdale, Captain; Aberdan Harry, 2nd Mate; Joe Drury, Chief Steward, Ace Fielder and Maurice Taun, Asst Stewards.
Can't recall anybody else at this point but there are many many more from all departments, who will come to mind at the most unlikely times.
These were all circa 1959/61 by the way.
Anyway Tom, that's enough to be going on with so I'll sign off and hope to hear from you in due course.
Hi Tom remember me taking you, Eunice,Dave Hoggard and his wife to a caravan at Brid. it belonged to the motorman from Skellow`s parents. You was `t bosun when I was with you but I think it was the Whitby, like Gary says there are loads of names come to mind Paddy Boyland was captain I think he only slowed down round Middle Whitton when coming up to Goole. If you look back at mine and Gary`s posts on this page there are lots of names you`ll remember. Cheers T.C.
hi gary nice to hear from you im still going strong I often think about the good old days at sea glad your ok
hi tony good to hear from you I do remember going to brid the seagulls dancing with clogs on on the roof of th caravan sadly I lost Eunice 11yrs ago but ive married again tw
T/C did you get the photo I sent you if so what do you think of it.
T/C disregard the Obove sorry got you as the sender I e/mailed you a photo of the whit parade with T/Traders in view we was probably the drivers hope you received it.
Regards NORMAN R.
Ahoy Shipmates and fellow Goolies, has everyone gone to ground? Haven't seen any posts for a long time! I am posting to find out if two of my erstwhile shipmates are still on the right side of the grass,Pedro GRHS used to keep me informed, but with his untimely demise, I am now in the dark,The fellows in question names are Billy Guy, and George Cannon, Billy was a coasting man (and native Goolie)who quit the sea and became a docker in Goole,where as George "the gun" Cannon stayed at sea I think all his working life, and with a few sojourns on the coast ,stayed I believe deep sea , I sailed with him on the Aire and the Blythe (for very short periods).Anyone know these guys, and who could give me any info on their well being, I know from my last missive from Pedro ,that Billy was under the weather, but that was a long time ago, thanks in advance H
I hear you Hamish, things have been a little slow of late. However, there have been postings recently from some of the old crowd and even some new ones.
Regarding your old buddies Guy and Cannon, I have no idea. Time passes so fast. Perhaps Tony (Cline) can shed some light on their current status.
I understand that most of the old crowd (or what's left of them) still hang around at Witherspoons pub, which used to be the Midland Bank. Just over the road from the old George.
I know that I bumped into a couple of them on my last visit some five years ago.
I remember speaking to Dennis McCone, with whom I sailed on the Kirkham Abbey, back in 1961/62.
Ex shipmate Tom Waterland recently posted on this site also (Byland Abbey circa 1959/60). And so it goes on.
Incidentally Tony (Cline), you mentioned Dave Hoggard in one of your recent posts; I just wondered if you still happen to be in contact with him, as we were close friends even after leaving the sea. We used to sink a couple of pints together in the Peacock Hotel many moons ago; when Sid and Rosie Raywood were 'mine hosts'; a far cry from what it is today by all accounts.
Anyways, I will sign off now and hope to hear from you guys later, or anyone else who was in the mix back in the day.
Hamish and Gary, nice to see you haven`t jumped ship Iv`e checked the phone book for names but nothing comes up, two or three Guys in Goole but initials don`t tally, last mention of George was way back on this page that he had moved out Hornsea way. I used to see Dave Hoggard here in the village walking his dog, he lived in Howden then but that was a few years ago, same phone book search applies only one Hoggard locally but L.C. Incidently I shared a cabin with Dave on the Whitby Abbey. Oh by the way Hamish did you get to France and Scotland in August. I`ll see if I can find any more info on Billy, George and Dave. Bye for now T.C.
Ahoy Tony!! Yes, I got to the beaches in France and had a very enjoyable day in St Marlo. Big change from the first time I was there in 1949, back then it was just an empty ring, a thick stone wall around the town and the allies had bombed the crap out of ithe centre, all the action (pubs, shops etc) were in the wall quite a lively little place under the circumstances, now it is all rebuilt, using old stone etc to keep it looking like the right era, but it is the usual tourist trap everything at high prices.Also made it to the allied beaches and got to go into Canada house, that is the house you see on the D day films taken from the allied landing craft, and the weather was very good in france, however that changed once we got thru the chunnel in fact when we arrived in Glasgow one would think it was the dead of winter,one thing you do get over there is weather!!On the day of the worlds on Glasgow green the wind was howling, and the rain was coming down sideways, and it only stopped long enough to change direction, but all in all ,we had a great time(one only gets wet on the inside in a pub)and a good flight home from Edinburgh (found a great pub on the end of Leith Walk)where we spent a couple of days,now I have to stay home and save up to pay for it all, but that's life? cheers H
Does any of you old sea dogs from Goole or Hull know why A.H.L.'s chartered VEDETTE for about 3 years in the late 1950's? I know at this time a lot of the older ships were being sold off but new ones were coming into service.
I have a book about the history of AHL and that in the 1950's "to keep a regular service" that AHL chartered Beeks of Groningen for the Hull-Rotterdam service - the ships mentioned are MV Valiant (Capt Meulen), MV Viscount, MV Velox and MV Victress - I assume the Verdette was sister of these ?
The charters were arranged by T.Kettlewell and Son (T.E.K) in Hull.
They also chartered MV Lubergem and MV Hybergem for the Goole-Dutch service.
I think it was a question that trade was good and the existing fleet could not cope.
Many thanks for your reply, it was of great interest.
Greetings! Re AHL, I am still of the believe that AHL missed the boat(excuse the pun) on the container business,they were in it in a very "Baby" way back in the early 50's,before containerisation was even thought of, on the "Butter" Boats, and a couple of times on the Amsterdam run we would load large square preloaded boxes and secure them to ringbolts on deck, then on arrival in Goole these "Boxes" would be off loaded to their own small rail wagons, which I believe were the property of the LMS(as were the Boxes (containers))the dockers didn't like them,they couldn't get into them, and they said they were taking away jobs. But maybe that was the reason for no follow up on preloaded shipments, the companies didn't, or wouldn't, risk a full blown dock strike, as I said this was in the very early 50,s, what happened later I don't know and my apologies if AHL did in fact get into containers
They did -but too late - the Melrose and Bolton Abbey had there derricks removed in 1967 and were lengthened by over 50 feet to support containerisation and also the cargo only boats Leeds and Wakefield were also converted for containers. However too little too late with the arrival of North Sea Ferries RORO boats Norwind and Norwave in 1965 - they swept the board seeing off AHL in 1971/2 and Ellermans for that matter by 1975.
Very interested to read the exchanges re AHL and the container revolution. Particularly interested in Martin Smith's reference to the the history of AHL. Details of title, author, publisher etc would be much appreciated.gds.
The point I was bringing up was that AHL had it by the tail, if they had only had some foresight in the early fifties, albeit, only on a tiny scale, one or two small preloaded "boxes"but somebody somewhere was thinking along the right lines, as the "boxes were water tight, had all the eyebolts etc to secure them on deck, and also on the railcars , on which they just fit, of course hindsight is always 20/20 and its too late now, but thanks for the comeback now I know they did try
Hi any readers I have been undertaking some of my family history and have discovered that the 19th century sail maker in Goole, Charles Carr was my great, great grandfather. Charles Carr's daughter Kate Carr was my great grandmother. I should be grateful to receive any information anyone may have on Charles Carr. Roger Potts.
Peter - there are two publications out there about AHL -booklets really but full of information. They are the "The Lanky's" -the Story of Goole Steam Shipping Company and Associated Humber Lines - by Gilbert Barley - GSS was a founding line of AHL and from which AHL drew its funnel colours. The other booklet is titled "AHL" by Ted Wild and Gilbert Barley. Both were published as part of the Marshland Local history series in the 1980's? - about 50 pages in all full of good AHL info/anecdotes and photos courtesy of Charlie Hill.They are long out of print but the former one crops up on E bay quite often but the latter seems much rarer -Goole museum/libraries may have copies - there is an address give about ordering the booklets but i understand it is long out of date.
Very many thanks. I will try to track one - or both - of the publications down.
The Lanky's by Gilbert Barley is on Amazon -search Associated Humber Lines- its a bit steep at nearly £20.00.
Looking back at recent postings I note my own of 13th November 2014 has been changed from 1950s? to 1950's? Perhaps the person that changed it should have studied more at some of the English classes referred to at Goole on the Web, Schools.
I have no knowledge of any of the folks you mentioned regarding the Carr clan. However, I sailed on the Kirkham Abbey a couple of times between 1959/61 and the Bo's'n was Billy Carr. He was an AHL man through and through and was on the Kirkham from the day she was launched till the day she was taken out of service. He was as well known in Copenhagen as he was in Goole.
There may be a family connection in there somewhere.
I believe he was awarded an MBE for his services.
This posting is intended for Roger Potts; I forgot to mention this at the start of this message. Must be the age thing I guess!
Hope this helps with your research
Hi Philip, misplaced apostrophes really annoy me too. Good on you for raising it. It is depressing that even some of the stuff I get from 'professional' organisations like banks and solicitors look like they have been written by someone semi illiterate. Also people not bothering or realising that they are using a US spellchecker. I could go on! Bill
The booklet is also on e-bay but somewhat cheaper.
Hi Gary thanks for the information. Roger Potts.
This site is an invaluable asset on the WWW and I have enjoyed looking at the various threads.
Please does anybody have an information on the Airmyn Ferryboat disaster of February 1922 and/or a character called Keadby Jack who once swam the River Trent in a full suit of armour carrying an anvil under each arm?
Hey Larry, what are you smoking these days?
Most postings have a semblance of reason, but yours makes no sense at all.
This knight in shining armour who swims rivers carrying large cast iron objects under his arms seems a little too much to swallow; even for us simple country bumpkins.
Could you please elucidate?
That's easy to explain Gary.That was one of the crew off the old Blisworth ,which was on the scrap run to Keel in the late forties, and said crew member, who had imbibed a tad too much in Melodies on a market day, decided to broach a little cargo and try sell it in Lincolnshire
Hoping someone can help with some information. My great uncle Philip John Whale served on the YOKEFLEET. In 1941 he shot down a German plane off Norfolk and was later awarded the MBE. I'm trying to find out more information about the incident or anything else which would have resulted him in getting this medal. Many thanks!!
To Gary, Hamish and your families and all readers and contributors to the Ships page A Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year. I hope the interaction continues though there`s not much coming up on the tide these days,ALL BEST, T.C
Ahoy Tony!! Seasons greetings and all the best for the new year, and to all Goolies, Lang May Yer Lums Reek!!
I echo your sentiments Tony and would like to hear more from some of the other casual posters, in addition to the usual crew.
I am sure that there are many more who could add to the general mix of things; so come on guys, get out the old discharge books and try to recall a few of the old reprobates with whom we used to share cabins.
Meanwhile, have a very merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Tony, Hamish and anyone else who happens to stumble upon this excellent link to the past.
I have just discovered details of My Uncle "Harold Ambler Thompson" death by drowning in September 1943 in Barge Dock Goole. He was identified as a Merchant Seaman aged 19. I know through family discussions that he was lame in one leg and this probably contributed to his death. I would be interested in any information on his Ship(s) or from anyone who might have sailed with him. Thanks
Ho Ho Ho!
So, has the big guy been yet? We're still waiting for him as we are five hours behind you guys.
Just coming up midnight here and we just got home from my son's place, where we enjoyed a few cool ones and some snacks.
I must admit that I'm feeling no pain at this point but that could change in a few hours. Thank God for Tylenol.
Anyway folks, all the best to you and yours.
Talk to you all later.
My 4th great grandfather John Hinchcliffe born 1812 Paull was a sailor in the 1851 Census living 10 Back George Street, Goole, by 1861 he was a Sea Master on the Tynemouth with his wife Elizabeth. In 1871 he was a Master on the "Lucknow" Kilnhurst Canal - Bargeman, Coal Trade. Can anyone find him in the 1841 Census? I have gone all through Ancestry and cannot find him or his wife and family any where! He died 18th June in the Union Workhouse, Hook. Sad end to his life. Would love to find any other information if anyone can help?
My 4th great grandfather John Hinchcliffe born 1812 Paull was a sailor in the 1851 Census living 10 Back George Street, Goole, by 1861 he was a Sea Master on the Tynemouth with his wife Elizabeth. In 1871 he was a Master on the "Lucknow" Kilnhurst Canal - Bargeman, Coal Trade. Can anyone find him in the 1841 Census? I have gone all through Ancestry and cannot find him or his wife and family any where! He died 18th June in the Union Workhouse, Hook. Sad end to his life. Would love to find any other information if anyone can help?
Happy New Year to all and sundry.
Keep the postings coming.
Sooner or later you will score.
And the very best to you Gary, and to all Goolies, and "Lang May Yer Lums Reek". I have not seen Cory Bunting posting for a while, hope the "auld Fella" is still fat and happy, his Goole people history is very entertaining, and brings back fond memories of times gone bye (bye) Ah, them were the days,I wish I still had the option of jumping on the bus from Cross Gates to Goole just to find out what was signing at the pool office, or should I say lingering furtively outside the door round the corner, and quizzing the bods coming out of said office to see if I should stick around or legg it back home for another day
Hi Hamish Always glad to see your posts I now prefer to take a back seat and observe Rather than possibly cause offence
You may have seen on the Entertainments page a mention of Tommy Dunwell. Who it appears is also an observer. I feel sure you must know him as he also sailed with George Cannon,Billy Guy and others of that era who I also knew Perhaps we may coax him out for his valuable input to this page
Hi Lads new to your site but have put some photos of Fendyke in dry dock. I worked at Drypool Engineering in Hull and worked with a lot of lads from Goole. Fred Langton riveter what a nice man to work with, also Harry Gill riveter is he still on the go, Bill Cross riveter, is he still on the go, George blacker nice man to work with, I know he passed away. also know Frank Hartlington is Frank still on the go sam grannon Hull
Greetings Corby! Glad to hear you are still on the right side of the Grass, was getting a bit worried, as some of you Goolies pop off and never say a word, which leaves a big hole in nostalgic history, aka Pedro who was a very sad loss and a mine of info of ships and men! No I don't think I ran across the fellow you mention, I know for a fact I never sailed with him,the trouble with the old days was one never really got to know anyone by their full name, it was always a nickname which sticks in ones mind, so unless a ships name is mentioned it is hard to put a name to a face,I sailed with George Cannon(the gun)but I never did sail with Billy Guy, I knew him well because on the colliers we were running to the same ports, so I bumped into him quite often, and he could do a fair rendition of Frankie Lane in the pubs which would glean us a few pints, as I said them were the days!!
Hello Hamish. most of the men of our era joined the MN via the Alt or the Don. Ed Pollard who used to use this site, followed by his brother Warwick worked on the Hebble, Irwell and Hodder. Before moving on to Cunard and P&O Whilst playing Cricket.Warwick passed away quiet young. I used to email Ed and Pedro direct as we had lots in common.I found out about Pedros demise within hours. It was 15 months after Ed's death at his home in New Jersey before I found out from his wife. At our time our life, the Black Tie is now becoming the dress code and sadly we have to be prepared to live with it
Hello - looking for info on my great-uncle, AB Seaman Neil Buchanan accidentally drowned - Goole. Sorry no date. Many thanks if you have anything.
Hello again - also looking for info on my great uncle, Donald Buchanan - accidentally killed on board ship - Antwerp. Many thanks again.
Hi guys, MEMORIES, was watching a detective program on TV last night, part of it was filmed in Copenhagen, shots of the big cobbled square which I believe was near the palace and Nyhavn, didn`t look like it did fifty odd years ago, full of yachts like a marina. Bye for now T.C.
Cor stone the crows Pearce, with a history like that I don't think anyone would want to know your rellies, sailing with them as Corby mentioned in his post would be a permanent black tie affair
Ahoy!! Have all your steam driven tripe setters froze up,or have you all gone to ground?Not much action anyhoo!! I was one that didn't get my start with AHL Corby, I did the Gravesend sea school bit, then signed on the Blisworth a coasting tramp, in Goole in 1949, first trip to Keel for scrap then back to Goole, I didn't much care for the AHL boats altho I did a few trips in them, O suppose they were ok for the locals, but to be given time off in lue of overtime pay was not much good to a lad from "away", and the only money one could make was to sell your bond, or smuggle watches, both risky with "Himmler" on watch, so I tried to stick to colliers when I wasn't deep sea, and as you know the colliers were O/T crazy, but hey you were away from home you might as well work.When I joined the Don I took the place of an AB from goole who joined a palm boat, I heard a little later he had died, he fell out of a palm tree somewhere in the hot climes, but his name escapes me, I not only got his berth, but on arrival in Copenhagen his girlfriend came looking for him, so there were a few perks on AHL but very few Cheers H
Ahoy Hamish It was a pleasure reading the account of your early life in your chosen career In 1949 I left school and had to make a decision Not having much advice from my Dad .Only that a job was available on one of Bennets ships The Ortalon At that time he worked as a checker for the company. Most of my closest mates Alan (Ace) Fielder.Alan Wheldrake,John Appleyard chose the life at sea following the path of my cousin Tom Dunwell and Alan Bedford The latter was lost overboard in the Red Sea Which Pedro knew about
When I was an apprentice there was one job I loved which was repairing the damage caused by the grab on the Scrap ships Which laid in the West Dock.Mostly Dutch or German. For we were always invited for a glass or two of Schnapps after completion
Hi Hamish, not frozen up or disappeared, like I said before Xmas not much coming up on the tide these days. I like you came out of Gravesend had several Deep Sea trips before hitting the coasters I know I was on a few AHL ships but as you say the colliers were best especially the O/T remember getting paid twenty three and half hours one day and picking up £27-11s-11d for a four day trip, that would be 1963, remember we got paid midnight before arrival North. Had to smile at your previous posting re. Pearce`s relations, catch you next trip T.C.
Hamish seem to remember you saying you were on the Polden, eight photos on Photoships No.6 in colour.
I'm another one who didn't start my seagoing escapades as 'Deck lad on t' Hodder; Rother; Hebble,' etc.
I did my training at the TS Vindicatrix, in Sharpness, Gloucester (1957) where the school was relocated from Gravesend, care of Herr Hitler, just before the shit hit the fan.
I did a few trips deep sea before savouring the delights of Home Trade and short haul continental runs.
In fact you had to be rated at least EDH to be on the new AHL ships; my first being the Darlington, before aspiring to the Abbey boats and such.
Incidentally Corby, your old buddy Ace Fielder was an AS on the Byland Abbey when I first joined her. I believe he has since crossed the bar. He was a good guy. As indeed were many more of the old stalwarts; too numerous to mention here.
Ah! Such memories.
Hi Gary,seems we`ve got a little bit 0f movement again, like my previous posting to Hamish there`s a good coloured photo of Darlington on Photoships. remember Ace Fielder being a big mate of Pete Bulmer they were always together. See you served your time on the old hulk. Catch you later T.C.
Hi Gary It seems you were at Sharpness about the same time as my nephew Barry Wilkinson of Scunthorpe although born in Goole He started on the Don but went deepsea on the MV Oakwood
Ed Polard also was at Sharpness and whilst there met a guy by the name of Ken Colyer.sometime later they met again on a ship out of Tilbury bound for New Orleans The whole process for Ken was to be taken to N/O where he jumped ship and lived with the natives to study Jazz .Ken Colyer and his band played at the Baths dance hall in the 50's his band included Chris Barber Lonny Donegan and Monty Sunshine. with such talent he made it well in the Jazz world
Back to Ed He settled in the next village to me when he worked for Cunard He bought our local Post office and furnished it with timber from the old Military hospital at Netley. It became a Cafe which his wife ran the Cafe until they parted company and he moved to New Jersey He had two suits made by my wifes firm of Bespoke taylors Denton and Katz at £200 each He told me that you were not a Cunard Yank until you owned one of these suits
Corby, on the subject of jazz you will probably remember Cy Laurie playing at the baths, when I was on the Salinas his ex drummer was 3rd engineer. Also on Shops and Shopping page can you shed any light on postings between me and Keith. I apologise to all for using ships page like this. T.C.
HiTony. Yes Cy is one of my all time greats at the Baths along with Sid Phillips,Eric Delaney and Freddy Randall On my 21st. Freddy did me the honour of playing Happy Birthday to you When he split his lip in the process. at the time I felt so proud that he did it for me
I skipped over to the shops page as you suggested. But found that you had invited SB for involvement.Therefore I cannot comment for whatever input I may put forward how would I compare. I being a mere mortal
Ahoy Tony!! Thanks for the heads up on the pictures,I do have one taken by Skyphotos(?) in the channel, and it was taken while I was aboard her, a rare happening, I remember the plane flying around us for quite a while.The Polden was my last ship before jumping on the Saxonia and emigrating to Canada and that was a nail biter I can tell you, we had booked our passage from Liverpool on March 11th and on March8th we were still in Pooleon the Polden, with lots of fog forecast on the NE coast, but to cut a long story short,I paid off in Hartlypool jumped on the train for Leeds, taxi to the house, grab the wife and her luggage, then back to the station for the train to Liverpool, got aboard the Saxonia about lunchtime, and she sailed around 5pm, cut it very close to say the least. Teddy Eolls was skipper of the Polden and he left the trip before me to take a pilots position in Seaham Harbour (seaham Harbour can you imagine?) I often wonder how he made out,he wa a hell of a nice guy tho one of the best skippers I ever did sail with, them were the days Cheers Hamish
Reference your post Sam Grannon at 10/01/2015 14:30
Fred Langton riveter what a nice man to work with, Fred lived next door but one to me in Woodlands Avenue, they were number 5 and we were number 9, I think that he died fairly young in the late 1950's, my mother was friendly with his wife till my mother died about 10 years ago They had a son Freddie and a daughter called Mavis, Mavis would be around 78 yeasrs of age and Freddie around 75 years of age
Captain Aaron lived at number 7 woodlands avenue in those far off days i left Goole in 1955 to go to College and study Electronics
Hamish, Photoships-Micellaneous Picture Gallery- Port Harbours Piers and Docks- List of Pics-Liverpool Landing Stage pic 61, can`t see the name but seems to be right number of letters, is it Saxonia? T.C.
Ahoy Tony!! I do have several pictures of the Saxonia, But I am having trouble getting into photoship, my steam driven tripe setter wants to take me to photoshop everytime.The Saxonia had a spotty life, she was renamed Carmania after the passenger trade went t up, she was painted green and various changes were made including a swimming pool on the after deck, then she went cruising for a while but because of high operating costs she was laid up in the river Fall in 1971(along with her sister, the she was sold to the Russian Sourtaflot organisation,then I lost interest so don't know what happened to her after that, I know she was only three years old when I sailed on her(as a passenger)in 1957 and I found her a very comfortable well found ship, and as I recall my passage to Montreal in 1957 cost 66pounds each, them were the days!cheers H
Hi Tony. I must apologize for my last reply to you It may have seemed a little curt. If you need an explanation. Please Email me on email@example.com
SS Gwynwood was at Hawke Anchorage in the mouth of the Humber when she was hit by a parachute mine during ww2. Can anyone tell me where Hawke Anchorage is. And is it possible to view that area from land that is accessible by car. Thank you
Google SSGwynwood Humber Estuary - World Naval Ships Forum
Fourth posting down by Billy McGee has a link that will take you to a chart from which you should be able identify the anchorage north of Grimsby.
Cheers Paul. Will take a look at that.
Fascinating to read the comments, just found the site.
I was born in Pasture Road and my Father sailed out of Goole on many ships, Rother, Don and "Butter Boats " through the war and just after until I came on scene in 1948. His name Douglas Johnson, AB and later Bosun. Also a Great Uncle of mine Don Johnson, sailed for most of his life on AHL as I believe Boilerman/Motorman. Does anybody know either of them.
Ironically when I left deep sea I joined my first coaster at Goole, the Stevie Clarkes "Cowdray", as Chief mate we went down to Dover, discharged then back loaded Kentish coal for believe it or not the Tyne.
It's a great site that I shall peruse in the future.
To Trevor Johnson, welcome to the site, judging by your birth date 1948 I imagine you joined the Cowdray in the 70`s it will be interesting to know what was happening after most of the regulars on here had finished and look forward to any stories you come up with. With regards to your father I think he is a bit before our time, but you never know someone might come up with something. It`s nice to here some new blood we seem to have all but dried up. Regards T.C. PS I was on Lancing, Broadhurst and Ardingly.
To Martin Smith, I borrowed a copy of The Lanky`s from a friend, intersting read, I presume Phil Smith mentioned is your father. One thing the author got wrong though is the piece about the Fountains Abbey. T.C.
Ahoy trevor ! Cowdray, built 1959 in Grangemouth, became one of Kellies submarines 1976 and renamed Bally Castle, sold again to Lebanon ren and renamed Aref, broken up 1986 didn't have too long a life, Jack Rudd seems to have been the Master for a while but he left to become a Shoreham pilot, seems while with Stevies she ran mostly to Shoreham or Poole, there are some Great pics of her on Ships Nostalgia, having said all that there appears to have been two Cowdrays, the second one was all accommodation aft, I was on the Petworth, Seaford and Beeding, but well before your time I quit the sea in 1957
Yes - Phil Smith was my dad - he was with AHL from 1946 to when they folded in 1971 - he was one of the last seagoing personnel as he was kept on till March 72 to wind down the stores -as you can imagine i am still well stocked with late 60's Heineken/Tuborg beer glasses and still have an AHL silver tea pot:)
I still have his reference signed by the "infamous" Freddy Wooller who left his 1st and 2nd officers on the Fountains Abbey in 1962 and but for the bravery of a Lowestoft trawler hand they would have died as well as the 2 men who were lost. On the subject of the Fountains Abbey you are right about the Lankys book -she was not lost in the year she was delivered.
There is another booklet by Ted Wild called AHL which is more about the memories of his time as a 2nd Officer on the Copenhagen run - great story about being ice bound in the Kattegat in 1956 and losing the rudder stock. He was on the Don and Dearne -not sure if he sailed on the Kirkham or Byland Abbey.
I am researching WILLIAM FRANCE of GOOLE, LEEDS and LONDON and intend to make my findings freely available to anyone interested. He was my Gt. Gt. Grandfather. As well as stories handed down through older family members I have so far identified 37 vessels owned or part owned by him and the wharves in London which he used over about 50 years of trading. My interests include all those docks and warehouses when he was using them and the several other businesses he was involved in. Information about vessels came from the Goole Shipping Registers held at Beverley, Lloyds Register of Shipping and various websites. Any advice or information would be very much appreciated.
Ahoy Richard! There is a great write up of the France Fenwicks company 0n ships Nostalgia (too long to copy here)which includes a history of most of their fleet.
Ahoy Richard! Maybe I should have been a little more precise as finding things on the site of Ships Nostalgia can prove a little tricky, After you have signed into Ships Nostalgia, go to "forums" then on the right you will see a box entitled "search Forums" put france fenwick in this box, when the page opens, go to #4 and scroll down to France Fenwicks Colliers.go to posting #26 and enjoy! However one can get the same info from Norman L Middlemiss's book "Black Diamond Fleets" cheers H
Thanks Hamish. All help much appreciated. I wonder if you or anyone else can help with this. A few weeks ago, while searching the net, I stumbled across a picture, about 1880, of one of William France's ships (WF on it's funnel) tied up at Goole docks with a note on the picture itself stating that it was Aldam Dock. At that moment I lost my connection and I have been unable to find the image since. Tried Goole Museum site and no end of Google searches but without success. Any ideas?
Hi Richard France, www.photoship.co.uk BROWSE Pictures with thumbnails CLICK Miscellaneous Picture Galleries CLICK Ports Harbours Piers Docks CLICK 13 or Here for list of pictures, scroll down to Goole, lots of pics. I think second pic Goole Aldam Dock 02. might be one you are looking for. Have fun T.C.
Hi Hamish We`re still around, just doesn`t seem to be much to talk about these days, ref. your comment on new Cowdray there was also new Lancing and Steyning of similar build, I saw Lancing loading at a jetty near Colwyn Bay N.Wales when I was driving, smaller ships than originals. Hope your`e keeping well T.C.
P.S. Not a lot of noise coming from Ontario these days either, he might read this and wake up. L.O.L. Hi Gary. T.C.
Ahoy Tony! Did you run out of spiel regarding Booths Ferry??Glad you could help Richard, I don't recall seeing many WF or FF funnels in Goole in my day, seems they were more Blyth runners (not forgetting West Hartlepool) I do recall the nickname for the FF's were Forever F---d I'll leave the second one open for your imagination, but really cant comment as I never had the pleasure of setting foot aboard one. Yes Ontario is a little silent, but down East they have a tendency to hibernate during the colder months, and as this winter has been a little longer than usual(poor sods)he should be surfacing soon, as soon as the Brewers retail advertise a beer sale, should be the clarion call, Have Fun Hamish
Hi Tony, Hamish and the rest of the gang.
I'm still very much into things relating to Goole and the various ships that used to abound therein.
Most of the posts of late seem to be before my era, so I can't really comment on them.
I only started my seagoing exploits in 1957; about the time Hamish swallowed the anchor.
I did sail on the Steyning though, first I did one trip in Dec 1961 and didn't like it, but I joined her again in April 1963 and stayed almost a year until Dec 21. Fred Bird was bo's'un and it seemed like a different ship.
Anyway, that's all for now. It's way past my bed time.
Yo Hamish , you got it right about our lousy winter. Here we are, a week into Spring and we're still getting temperatures of -15 C. Mind you, the Maritimes, Newfieland and Nova Scotia etc. are still experiencing severe snow storms with upwards of 35 to 40 cm,s of the white stuff piling up daily.
My son and his family had planned a March break skiing in BC Hamish, but they had to cancel because there was no snow. They finished up in Arizona which, contrary to popular belief is not all desert and cactus plants.
S'all for now then. Sorry for straying off subject.
Talk to you all later.
Hi Gary, I woke you up then, I`m in the same boat as you, didn`t start till 59 did 4 trips deep sea before sailing out of Goole. Regards Steyning I knew Fred Bird very well he lived next door to my wife in 2nd Ave before we got married, we were talking to one of his daughters the other day, told her I was in touch with you and that you had sailed with him. Looking at date you must have been on Steyning when I was on Lancing (ships in the night). T.C.
Hi Hamish, yes the Booth Ferry line seemed to dry up, no one seemed to be able to come up with a good answer so I let it die. I hope Richard finds Photoship helpful, he should also find pictures of most of the ships he`s looking for. T.C.
P.S. You can keep your winters we are about 30 degrees warmer than Gary`s -15c and we think it`s cold. We got an inch of snow one day and it melted away in a couple of hours. Bye for now.
For all those with AHL connections -the AHL epitaph penned in 1971 - this was sent to me recently by the widow of Les Allison (a Goole man) -Chief Engineer on the Leeds,York,Wakefield,Bolton Abbey,Melrose Abbey and Whitby Abbey 1963-1971 his widow sent me this from Antwerp where Les resided after leaving Goole when he married a Belgian girl.
Alphabetical Epitaph to A.H.L. 30/11/1971 R.I.P.
A is for A.H.L. who miserably fail.
B is for Boats, which are now up for sale.
C is for Cargo, container and crate,
D is for Dole queue, our ultimate fate.
E is for Europe, goodbye to those trips.
F must be Farewell, cos theres no f---inships.
G is for Goole where the company started,
H is for Hull where we finally parted.
I is Illusion of company tradition
J is the justice in its present position.
K is the K.O. so rudely dealt,
L the Location right below the belt.
M is the Manner in which it was done,
N is November, the end of the run.
O is Omega, the end of all reason.
P is the Price of our loyal adhesion.
Q is for Question, quandary and queuing,
R is Redundance, retirement and ruin.
S is the Sacrifice, willingly wrought,
T is the Thanks, which add up to nought.
U is the Union, not much assistance.
V is the volume of invalid insistance.
W is the Work of the ever so few,
X is the Gratia, the payment in loo.
Y is the Yearnings, the hope all in vain,
and Z is for Zero, our ultimate gain.
Hi Hamish, just read postings on S/N by maritiem about France Fenwick, plenty of info there, should certainly help Richard. T.C.
Hi Martin, very good, I guess that took some thinking but it certainly fits. T.C.
Thanks for posting Martin!! The AHL was different things to different people I suppose, in my case I found them convenient at times, the times when there was nothing except them going thru the poole, and one was on the last pick of ships, I suppose they were good for the local Goolie, just like a day job, but for us "away" boys they were a drag, they were mediocre feeders and very tight with "extra" hours worked, time off in lue for sundays at sea (which there were very few of) and overtime, which again time off was good for the local, he got more time at home, but imagine being in West Dock aboard the Don in winter, with no lights (just coal oil lights),no heat, and no galley, and worse still no money, and if memory serves me the fireman would arrive four hours before sailing time to get steam up.I suppose in retrospect, the runs were good with good times ashore on the continent, but one couldn't live on good times, and as far as I could see they did look after their"time served old timers" with a doddle of a job in the shore gang, but again one would have to put up with the "company policy"for years to attain that exulted position, Ah the memories cheers H
Hamish my pleasure - i understand your point re AHL as my dad looking back on his sea going days said much the same that the best he was treated by a Company was by Atlantic Steam Navigation (Cerdic/Bardic/Europic Ferry) whom he joined in 1973 after AHL closed which morphed in to Townsend Thorsesen all part of European Ferries. I think his soft spot for AHL where all the characters both at sea and office staff ashore which he said you did not get in more recent times and of course he was with them for 25 years.
Hi Tony Clyne and Hamish. Sorry for my temporary absence. I have had an unexpected short stay at our local hospital. Fighting fit now though (well almost). Thanks for drawing my attention to www.photoship.co.uk. It is indeed a brilliant site but unfortunately the image I am thinking of is not there. I can only hope I will accidentally stumble across it again sometime. I see France Fenwick is already extremely well documented so I shall restrict my own research to before the c1890 amalgamation. I know that William France died 27 Aug 1883, following a three month illness, and that his estate was administered by the surviving executor William Clarke, solicitor of Leeds. Also that a receiver was appointed by the courts to manage the running of the shipping business until it's eventual sale. So, thank you both again for your valuable help. If I get stuck again, and I expect I will, perhaps I can get back to you. Regards RF.
Yorkshire Film Archive- Just to advise all those with Goole connections there is an excellent 35 minute long film in the above archive its film number 3649 -titled "The Port of Goole 1964" - features the Docks including AHL ships MV Harrogate and some interesting shots of cargo being unloaded from the Byland Abbey and references the Butter Boats . Goes on to look around Goole and references that the Goole Docks football team in the docks league - details a game with the crew of a Russian ship - other ships in the film are the Trentoria and the Steyving as well as numerous shots of Dutch,German and Russian vessels as well as around Goole in general - shows what a hub of activity Goole was in ther early 60's.
Just google "Port of Goole 1964".
Thanks for posting Martin!! Very nostalgic , even a few shots of one of my old ship the Beeding, being stretched for Kellies, good film
HELP! Martin, Hamish, How do I keep this film going, I get the Steyning sailing then it stops and I get little balls whirling around in the middle of the screen. Don`t know about computer literate I think it`s complete illiterate T.C.
Ahoy Tony!! Yes I got the same thing ,but I left my steam driven tripe setter for a while(balls and all)and it took its time but it did download.It would be interesting to hear comments from Goolies who still live there, and were living there in 64 to see what did transpire from the glowing future that was predicted by the narrator,last time I was in Goole circa 2004 there were three ships in total in the whole place, and two of those were little bigger than barges,but by the same token I don't know how industry has expanded in the Goole area. Another observation I made of the film, was the total disregard for safety displayed by the dockworkers, walking around underneath swinging heavy lifts for example, and other infractions regarding loading and unloading, another thing that I noticed was to me rather comical, was the unloading of the sides of Danish bacon, which were pulled out of the hold and loaded to an open flatbed truck(lorry)hope it was not July when the film was made, or the bacon would not be very fresh when the housewives got it, but that is all in the past and I am not a health and safety guy anyway,so take care, and I hope you manage to down load the film, the shots of the Beeding are very interesting H
I am in the same boat re the technology - however my pc plays the film fine - don't know if its a case of loading a more unto date flash drive. Whilst on the YFA site there is also an interesting film from 1972 called "Seaway to Europe" and features a 25 minute film (narrated by the late cricket commentator Christopher Martin Jenkins?) of Ellerman Wilson lines Hull -Zeebrugge Ferry MV Spero - which was considered by many to be the best looking ship to have plied the Ferry routes ever - it also shows Bruges and its a real 1970's nostalgia trip.
SUCCESS! Like you said Hamish leave it for a while and it finally comes through. The narrators comments didn`t come true although there is a fair amount of new industry it`s not particulary connected to the docks. The new large Power stations and natural gas killed the coal trade and containerization and roll on roll off saw an end to the general cargo service which AHL and other ships did. I have noticed a few more ships in lately but seems to be bulk cargoes, steel and timber.
Hi Hamish, I picked up The Goole Times (local paper) yesterday and some sad news in there answers a question you asked me a while back, Paul (Billy) Guy passed away 13/04/15, one of the acknowledgments reads we miss your smile your cackle your dancing and singing. Sad, I didn`t know him, only knew of him. Catch you later T.C.
Thanks for that Tony ! Sad news indeed, I never sailed with Billy but bumped into him a lot while on the colliers,be it Poole Shoreham or Plymouth, he was on the Lancasterbrook at one time I recall, we played darts together a lot, in places like the Jolly Sailors in poole, and the Seahouses in Shoreham, and we got steamed together in Melodies quite often, he was a great singer could take off Frankie Lane to a Tee and knew all his numbers, in fact he earned us quite a few free pints with his renditions in the "down South " pubs. I kind of lost touch with him when he decided to swallow the anchor and become a docky in Goole, only running into him occasionally after that, I could go on but some things are not for a public forum so suffice is to say R.I.P.Billy Thanks Tony take care H
Just back from a brief sojourn (a week) to the sunny climes of Florida and am saddened, upon my return, to learn of the passing of Billy Guy, an old buddy of Hamish's. He was not a close friend of mine but I knew him well and often drank in the same company, along with other dockers of the day, especially on full board days!
He was a docker when I started sailing out of Goole, so I never knew him as a seaman like Hamish did.
Regarding the Port of Goole 1964 video, as already stated in previous postings, I sailed on the Steyning for a few trips in the early sixties when the coal trade was still at a premium.
Also, I echo Hamish's comments regarding the unloading of Danish bacon from ''t butter booats', not very hygienic by today's standards but considered quite adequate for the day.
I sailed on both the Byland Abbey and her sister ship the Kirkham Abbey and well recall the ritual of scrubbing all three hatches, lower and 'tween-decks, in Copenhagen after discharging general outbound cargo, and prior to loading the bacon; which was only allowed to commence after inspection by a certified inspector and, believe it or not, they were pretty strict. The hatches were also insulated with sealing plugs which fitted between the hatch beams to allow for a means of refrigeration whilst at sea. However, the method of unloading the bacon in Goole still left a little to be desired. Still, I don't recall many complaints from the butcher's shops that used to sell the stuff or the guys who used to eat it every morning.
How times change.
That's it for now guys; talk to you all later.
Just to up date you on the passing of Paul(Billy) Guy, this actually refers to the son of Billy Guy.
The Billy I refer to would be around 80 + - a year or two
To Paul C. Sorry for my mistake regarding Billy Guy, perhaps you can update us on the Billy we are talking about as Hamish and Gary both live in Canada. T.C
Hamish and Gary, sorry for the boob, looks like I got it wrong again, I saw the announcements in the paper and assumed thinking as H said we are looking at an 80+ year old. To change subjects I can certainly remember scrubbing the gratings in Copenhagen, I did it on the B/Abbey and York. As for the loading of bacon on lorries this was an all year round job, it was loaded as you see in the film then covered with an ordinary wagon sheet, roped on then parked in the yard overnight and delivered next day round the West Riding, it all added to the flavour. Bye for now T.C.
Didn't do any of that hold cleaning or scrubbing on the Don,not that I recall anyway, but I would like to know what was in the little box containers we brought bag from Copenhagen, sometimes we would have as many as three lashed on deck (chained)they were off loaded straight onto a flat deck rail wagon which appeared to be built just for them,the reason I ask is, we would groan when we saw them come aboard ,as it meant an extra shift ship in Goole, we would have to discharge them first in the dock west of west dock,before moving into the normal berth in west dock, which meant us "away" lads had to stay aboard until we were at the westdock berth, which could mean an overnight stay, and one less night home
To Tony Clyne: Old Billy is still around but I'm sure Pauls passing will have caused him much distress
Hamish, the little containers you mention were the forerunners of the containers we see today and were built to fit the flat rail wagons, loaded with goods destined for companies with rail connection or some were even loaded on railway lorries and delivered as containers are today, remember the ships (The Lankys) were owned by the L&Y railway also called Railway Boats. Makes you wonder what sort of management was running the company as they were running a container service may years before anyone else and they just ran out of existance. T.C.
I have been reading with interest all the visitor comments to your site. I wonder if anyone can help me with information about my grgr grandfather Mark Hargrave, captain of a ship, Elite, which was abandoned in the Atlantic in 1887 and the crew taken to New York. His ship was made locally at Howdendyke somewhere around 1883.Would there have been local newspaper reports about this incident ? I believe Mark Hargrave married a lady from Goole, her name being Ethelinda Burston.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Att. SUE WOOD, Schooner ELITE built 1883 abandoned mid Atlantic Nov 18 1897 Capt. Mark Robert Hargrave. Google ships built at Howdendyke click Howdendyke the site for information on keels and sloops scroll down to 1883 Elite. For information on marriage Google Ethelinda Burston , click Ethelinda Susannah Burston Ancestors of. scroll down to Mark Robert Hargrave and Ethelinda Susannah Burston. Hope this helps T.C.
Ahoy Tony!! Yes there is a discussion about the small box containers, if you harken back a few months on this site,it was pointed out that AHL had "missed the boat"on containerisation (S) excuse the pun, as they seemed to be one of the very first to be using them. no my question was, what was in them?Never did know, no labels, no shippers names. and the mate didn't seem to know which had it been this day and age I find a little scary, although in retrospect I guess the millions of containers floating around the world being off loaded in so many down town harbours, does anyone really know what is in them all, just a thought ! As an aside, I have not seen Corby posting on this site for quite a while, hope the old geezer is still with us, and do you ever hear of one George Cannon, sailed out of Goole fifties and sixties, cheers H
Hi Hamish. I'm still about. A bit late this year getting motivated to a visit to Goole. The place we still call home. All the best
Richard France, Goole on the Web Canal page b/w photo 1903 Nina in ship dock, looks like WF on funnel, also Company Town page East Parade Wm. F. Fenwick`s Office. T.C.
Many thanks for the information Tony.
Ahoy Tony! I think friend Richard has found SN, as I see some FW quotes from some knowledgeable people,
Hi to anyone who new my dad Eric hill(ginksy) he has sadly passed away and is sailing his last trip . Any one who knew him he worked on a number of merchant ships.
Ahoy Kerry! Very sorry to hear about your dads passing, always a traumatic occasion to the near and dear, however do you have any info on the ships he sailed on (and dates) it always helps to give us old timers a memory boost jab, as some of us have great troubles remembering just whom we did sail with, and again my condolences, take care Hamish
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