Does anyone have any information about a cargo ship called the MARLWOOD which used the port of Goole in the early 1950's?

aye up,

have you or anybody have any photos of the shipping

in, the early 60s and has anybody got a picture of the shipping federation office or of where it was.

barrie mumford

sailor in the60s

Reply to Bill Stewart - The Marlwood
My Great Uncle "Tom Collier" was the Captain of the Marlwood in the early fifties. Tom lived in Reedness at that time -- next door to the Half Moon.

Message for Brian Sheppard
Brian, thanks. My dad (Joe Stewart) was ship's cook and I visited the vessel in the early 50's. I've written up my dad's merchant navy war history, think my sister gave a copy to Goole library. If you have any further info about Marlwood &/or would like to discuss, please feel free to get in touch (terrabills@aol.com). Thanks again. Bill

Hi,
I am trying to find information on the Ellen and Joseph a 'barge' owned by my GG Grandfather William Shaw that he carried flour on between Goole and Leeds. It was sold after his death in 1918.

Barrie
In 1947 the shipping federation office was in Stanhope Street,about halfway down on the right hand side going towards Bridge St.
At that time I was an assistant cook on the SS Hebble one of the "lanky" boats on week amsterdam & Rotterdam,next week Ghent

The shipping office was in Stanhope Street where one signed articles on joining the ship. The shipping federation was where you went to get a job in East Parade off North St, near the Peacock pub. Mr Houghton Mr Smith in charge during the 1950s

The last time I personally saw the SS Marlwood was at grenophast wharf Nr Grenwich in 1955 discharging stone from berry head. She was coming to the end of her time even then. She would load coal at Goole for Power stations on the Thames. Dunno what happened to her probably scrapped. I never saw her after the end of the 1950s

Suggest you direct ship talk to Waterways Museum, where George Robinson, former port manager, has done extensive research into ships built at Shipyard and Brian Masterman has collection of photographs and details of Goole shipping.
You could add to the interactive archive.

The Marlwood.
My dad was also a master on the Marlwood in the late 40's/early 50's. His name was Sid Depledge from Marshfield rd in Goole.
My brother myself and my Mum spent a holiday on the Marlwood when she was in dry dock in Sunderland probably around 1949 or so.

I've just spoken to my brother and he reminded me that Tom Collier was the master and my dad was his relief master. There was an 'uncle' Jack on board who we thought was the cook.

Marlwood. To see photo's of most of WM. France Fenwicks ships -- including the Marlwood look at :-
www.riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/memories/cards.htm

This is to cross refence my posting today to Movers and Shakers page about wages book containing names of crew of Mersey, Aire and Hebble in 1931/32.

The photo of the Marlwood has temporarily gone 'missing' but if you look at riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/memories/FERNWOOD1923CK.jpg you will see the Fernwood in the type of 'drydock' Marlwood was in when my brother and I spent a holiday onboard with my dad and mum back in 1949

Looks like this site http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/
is George's - see mention of upcoming Goole built vessels.

Thanks for the plugs for my Riversea website! Photos stay on it for only about 3 weeks so specific page links will be broken in due course.

MARLWOOD details

1924, 996grt

J. Crown & Sons, Sunderland (174) as FELLSIDE for Quayside Shipping Co. (Connell & Grace), Newcastle

1930 SWANDALE, Yorkshire Dale S.S. Co. (Atkinson & Prickett), Hull

1938 MARLWOOD, Wm. France, Fenwick

1952 to Wm. France, Fenwick (London/Goole) Ltd

Broken up at Dunston on Tyne, arrived 2/7/1957

Charlie Hill at Swinefleet has photos of her which I have shown.

GOOLE SHIPBUILDING
Yes I am working on a full yard list with ships histories and photos where available, will advise when this is 'launched' in maybe a month or so and a link can be made. It will also be part of the Waterways Museum site.

After that, there are other local shipbuilders to tackle!

How many know anything about the Volscian (sp?) Shipping Co.?
Run by Captain Charles Dow Moore following WW1 I think, at Hook.
Capt. CDM and his Trinity House Brother Capt. George King Moore were early residents of Marshfield. And Capt. GKM and his wife and children moved there from RC Street. About 1891.

Re enquiry about Capt. Moore.
I have never found a Volscian shipping company but there was one ship called CHASMOOR registered at Goole and owned between 1922 and 1931 by Moore S.S. Co. (manager Herbert D.Moore) with an address in East Parade. She was an ex Dutch steam coaster, built in 1917. Have more details if needed. So I wonder if this was the same Moore family?

Does anyone have any information on the ships owned by Mr. (Richard) Hickman, a butcher in Goole. I have information that one of his ships, the ketch Triumph, sank on the 15th November 1901 with all hands lost.

Yes, HD Moore was son of Captain CDM - a Goole dentist I believe.
As for Richard Hickman, see Geoff Depledge posts, ~RH bought one of his family sloops. Hickman died 1906 but played a role in Goole's early development from his Barge Dock Side base.

Ref Mr Robinsons note dated 26/03/06. My maternal grandfather Joseph Lea was master of the CHASMOOR at one time. As a very young man and possibly an even younger boy my grandmother, Mary Jane Lea, gave me to understand that two business men, possibly three, owned the vessel and approached my grandfather ref his being the "Skipper" together with a financial interest. My grandfather stayed some time, my grandmother going on various trips. I think he went from the CHASMOOR to the LOWLAND where he stayed as captain until the outbreak of war. One thing rings bells with me, that is I think that two men were involved. The first name of one was Charles, the surname of the second was Moore, from which the name CHASMOOR was derived.

i would like to know if wartons shipping is still in operation

Please has anyone information about any of the following ships Amelila and Ann, Elizabeth and Young Hudson -all sunk I think in 1906. My grandmother's first husband was lost at sea in 1906- he lived in Goole and I think sailed from there. His name was William Duce.

M V Warwickbrook owned by Comben Longstaff, what happened to her?

Whartons sold their shipping interests to Everards a long time back, 1980's I guess, and recently their Grove Wharf on the Trent has had a management buy-out so I don't think the family is involved any more.

WARWICKBROOK
Built 1956 by Koster, Groningen for Comben Longstaff.
Later names
1972 FIBROOK
1973 ATLANTICO I
1979 ESPERANZA No.2
Broken up at Cartagena, Colombia 3/1985.

Re message from Mike Chambers, Richard Hickman (d.1906) owned the Ketch Try formerly owned by my ancestors the Depledges.
If Mike sends me his e-mail to geoffdepledge@hotmail.com I will send additional info.

I..n the 1881 cencus I came across my G/G fathers ship the FLOWN.On board were his wife Rose Ellen and two of the nine children they eventually had(a sign of the times).The FLOWN was owned and skippered by my G/G father Captain Joseph Lea and was a top sail trading schooner.I have reason to believe she was registered in Goole,Would any one have an idea if a photo or print exists .Many Thanks,David L-J

I first posted this on the Goole genealogy site but thought it of interest to those interested in Goole boats. It is a transcript of a message sent by Ron Goney to my brother and contains the names of many Goole mariners, boats and owners.

Hi Mike
I presume you ordered book as a result of discussion I had with a lady at Ackworth Heritage Group who said she had friends researching Depledge name. The shipping registers do contain some relevant information for family historians so I have copied information from my transcriptions for four vessels with a Depledge connection that should interest you.
Kindest regards Ron Gosney

704. Sloop `FRIENDSHIP' Official Number 4725
A round sterned carvel and clench built wooden sailing ship with a single mast and sloop rigged with a fast bowsprit. Built in Wakefield in 1841 by James Craven, its measurements were 58.8' x 12.7' x 7' and registered burthen 54 - 2209/300 tons.
Registered at Goole under registration number 13 on 26 April 1841 when the owners of 32 shares each were Thomas Depledge of Knottingley, a Mariner and William Moorhouse of Knottingley, a Merchant; master was John Depledge. Thomas Depledge died and by will dated 23 December 1843, probate 5 June 1847, Hannah Depledge was appointed sole executrix. On 1 September 1847 Hannah Depledge and William Moorhouse each sold 11 shares to John Depledge of Knottingley, a Master Mariner.
Re-registered at Goole under registration number 55 on 23 November 1847 when the owners were 21 shares William Moorhouse of Knottingley, a Merchant, 21 shares Hannah Depledge of Knottingley, a Widow and 22 shares John Depledge of Knottingley, a Master Mariner; he was also master. On 4 August 1852 William Moorhouse sold his 21 shares to John Depledge.
In consequence of an alteration in registered burthen to 43.17 tons it was re-registered at Goole under registration number 47 on 20 August 1856 when the owners were 43 shares John Depledge of Knottingley, a Master Mariner and 21 shares Hannah Depledge of Knottingley, a Widow. On 21 March 1857 Hannah Depledge sold 21 shares to John Depledge; then on 17 April 1862 John Depledge sold all 64 shares to Robert Stead of Wakefield, a Shipbuilder, and on 8 July 1862 Robert Stead sold 32 shares to James Wilby of Methley, a Coal Agent and 16 shares to Mark Campbell of Brotherton, a Master Mariner. On 21 August 1865 Robert Stead sold his other 16 shares to James Wilby of Bottomboat, Wakefield, a Coal Shipper.
On 28 April 1868 Joseph Wilby sold 48 shares and Mark Campbell 16 shares both to Robert Stead, who on 1 May 1868 transferred 64 shares by way of mortgage to John Connor of Wakefield, an Agent to secure payment of £105 plus 5% interest; this was discharged 25 July 1868. On 25 July 1868 Robert Stead sold 24 shares to Thomas Freear of Sunderland, a Shipowner, 24 shares to John Collins of Wisbeach, a Shipowner and 16 shares to Ann Atkinson of Bishopwearmouth, Durham, a Widow. On 10 April 1869 Thomas Freear sold 24 shares to John Sedgwick of Sunderland, a Tailor.
On 2 December 1869 John Sedgwick sold 24 shares to Thomas Freear, now a Ship Broker, who on same day transferred them by way of mortgage to John Sedgwick to secure payment of £63 plus 8% interest; this was discharged 15 December 1870. On 23 December 1873 Ann Atkinson sold 16 shares and Thomas Freear sold 24 shares both to George Herring of Wisbeach, a Master Mariner. Cancelled 27 March 1878 converted into a keel.

714. Sloop `H.H.' Official Number 184 A round sterned carvel and clench built wooden sailing ship with a single mast and sloop rigged with a standing bowsprit. Built in Wakefield in 1848 by James Craven, its measurements were 58.8' x 15.6' x 7.2' and registered burthen 62 - 455/3500 tons.
Registered at Goole under registration number 42 on 13 November 1848 when the owners of 32 shares each were Hannah Depledge of Knottingley, a Widow and George Depledge of Knottingley, a Master Mariner; he was also master. On 19 April 1855 George Wilson was appointed master at London. Hannah Depledge died 1 October 1867 and by her will dated 1 May 1867, probate at Wakefield 20 December 1867, the joint owners of her 32 shares were George Depledge, an Innkeeper
and Thomas Austwick, a Grocer, both of Pontefract. George Depledge died 28 November 1868 and by his will dated 22 November 1853, probate at Wakefield 20 February 1869, Harriet Depledge of Pontefract, a Widow was appointed executrix. Thomas Austwick was sole surviving executor of Hannah Depledge. On 15 November 1869 Thomas Austwick transferred 32 shares to Harriet Depledge of Pontefract, a Widow.
Lost with all papers at Dunwich, Southwold 10 February 1871.
Goole Weekly Times 18 February 1871 Southwold Feb 12th: The sloop two H.H's of Goole came ashore at Dunwich, and became a total wreck; crew supposed to have been washed overboard. Two bodies have been washed ashore.

840. Ketch `TRY' Official Number 44029 A round sterned carvel and clench built wooden sailing ship with two masts and ketch rigged. Built in Wakefield in 1862, its measurements were 62.8' x 17.8' x 8.5' and registered burthen 60.48 tons. Registered at Goole under registration number 8 on 15 May 1862 when the owner of all 64 shares was John Depledge of Knottingley, a
Master Mariner. On 14 May 1862 John Depledge transferred all 64 shares by way of mortgage to Thomas Clegg of Goole, a Stone Agent to secure payment of £330 plus 6% interest; this was discharged 12 April 1873. John Depledge died 15 April 1881 and by his will dated 13 November 1876, the executors and joint owners appointed were William Depledge, Samuel Depledge and Thomas Depledge, all of Knottingley, Master Mariners. On 4 July 1881 these executors transferred all 64 shares to William Depledge of Knottingley, a Master Mariner. On 28 October 1881 William Depledge transferred all 64 shares by way of mortgage to Thomas Depledge of Goole, a Master Mariner to secure payment of £360 plus 5% interest; this was discharged 6 April 1882.
On 28 August 1882 William Depledge transferred all 64 shares by way of mortgage to Thomas Clegg jnr of Goole, a Stone Merchant to secure payment of £100 plus 7% interest; this was
discharged 3 August 1885. A declaration was made that William
Flower Depledge and William Depledge are one and the same person, because his father from whom he inherited the property inadvertently omitted to insert the name `Flower' in his will dated 13 November 1876, and he is commonly known as William Depledge only.
On 4 August 1885 William Flower Depledge transferred all 64 shares by way of mortgage to George Jackson of Knottingley, a Master Mariner to secure payment of £100 plus 5% interest; this was discharged 19 May 1891. On 17 June 1904 William Flower Depledge sold all 64 shares to Richard Hickman of Goole, a Shipowner. Richard Hickman died 31 March 1906 and probate of will granted at the Principal Registry 19 May 1906, Frederick Fish, a Ship Broker and Randle Hopley, an Accountant were appointed executors.
Cancelled 6 May 1907 converted into a Hulk.

July 1879. The ketch `Try' of Goole under the command of Captain Depledge, on passage from Rochester to Caen, put into Ramsgate on 9 July 1879 having lost her anchor and 20 fathoms of chain, having slipped the same at 1 p.m. October 1881. The ketch `Try' of Goole under the command of Captain Depledge, on passage from London to Goole with a cargo of cement, was assisted into Lowestoft by tug on Saturday 15th, having been run into whilst riding in the Yarmouth Roads, by the French fishing vessel No 897 of Fecamp.

842. Ketch 'TRY ON' Official Number 58722 A round sterned carvel and clench built wooden sailing ship with two masts and ketch rigged. Built in Wakefield in 1867, its measurements were 60.2' x 17.6' x 8.45' and registered burthen 58.49 tons.
Registered at Goole under registration number 24 on 8 October 1867 when the owners were 42 shares John Depledge of Knottingley, a Master Mariner and 22 shares Samuel Depledge of Knottingley, a Master Mariner. On 21 October 1876 John Depledge sold 10 shares to Samuel Depledge. On 27 October 1875 John Depledge of The Hole, Knottingley was managing owner, then on 15 July 1881 Samuel Depledge was managing owner.
John Depledge died 15 April 1881 and by his will dated 13 November 1876, probate at Wakefield 18 June 1881 the executors were Samuel, Thomas and William Depledge all of Knottingley, Master Mariners. On 14 August 1881 these executors transferred 32 shares to Samuel Depledge. Samuel Depledge died 25 January 1885 and by his will dated 22 July 1881, probate at Wakefield 27 February 1885 Mary Depledge his widow was executrix. On 5 March 1885 Mary Depledge sold 64 shares to Israel Jackson of Goole, a Shipowner., who on same day transferred them by way of mortgage to York City and County Banking Co to secure payment of £200 plus 5% interest; this was discharged 11 June 1886. On 5 April 1888 Israel Jackson sold 16 shares to Joseph Wharton of Keadby, a Shipowner, then bought them back 26 June 1897. On 18 July 1890 registered burthen reduced to 43.02 tons. Israel Jackson died 5 October 1905 and by his will dated 28 September 1905, probate at Principal Registry 4 November 1905 Hannah Jane Jackson of 11 Beverley Cottages, Goole his widow was executrix. On 7 April 1906 Hannah Jane Jackson sold 64 shares to Charles Thompson of 48 Hedon Road, Hull, a Shipowner.
Transferred to Hull 30 May 1906.

I found this while searching the net:

There are no roses on a sailor's grave
No lilies on an ocean wave
The only tribute is the seagull's sweeps
And the teardrops that a sweetheart weeps

Have you seen the Memorial to Goole's seafarers on the Lock Hill?
Goole Mariners' Association behind this.

Yes are they both from the same poem if so where can I find it

Can't say - only suggest you contact Goole Mariners Association through Brian Masterman - they meet in the Buffs Club behind Aire Street so far as I know.

Difficult as I live in Scotland

but you can check BT for Masterman online!

GOOLE SHIPBUILDING & REPAIRING COMPANY

As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have been working on a new internet site to record all the vessels built by Goole Shipbuilding 1902-1988 with vessel histories and photos where available. The work has been greatly assisted by local input from such as Brian Masterman, Charlie Hill and Peter Robinson

The site will be 'launched' as part of the Local History Day at the Waterways Museum on Sunday 21 May, this will be advertised in the Goole Times, so if you are interested in the shipbuilding history of Goole then do come along.

any suggestions were I may a photo of the MV Northwood

Try http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/ this is where I got pictures of the Marlwood & Fernwood see above 24 March

ref- memorial poem
No roses grow this can be found on Google search its a german folk song or hymn sang by a german seaman during the war

NORTHWOOD

Pedro which one are you looking for, Constantine's of 1936-1959 or much older William France vessel(s) of that name?

George

Found it thanks george moorline built 1928 see Goole action group=who are we for the wartime results I found

sorry to throw you it was my mistake I was looking for the MV Northmoor oops

I wonder if I might ask a favour of someone.Distance is problem for me ie;2oo plus mls.Iam seeking confirmation that my dads name appears on the MN memorial near Lock Hill.The name to look for would be DAVID JACKSON.Many Thanks,David L-J.

do you have anymore info i/e was he lost at sea if so what ship etc

majority of plaques were placed by family members some exseamen who died natural causes are commemorated here.Others lost with ships are also named on the memorial

Sorry David I just realised I read your earlier ref to Sam Whitely been a friend of your dads Re Cedarbank I dont know if the Cedarbank is there. But I intend putting Sams name up there Re MV Northmoor so if Cedarbanks not on I dont see why it cant be added to the same plaque.along with his name

Whilst perusing shipping sites I keep hearing the same question when relatives are involved.ARE YOU IN POSSESION OF HIS CRS10 AND SEAMANS POUCH? can anyone enlighten me as to what they mean please.

Message for George Robinson:
George,as you may have noticed I started the original discussion about the Marlwood. I'm very grateful for all the replies I received but particularly impressed by the very detailed info you were able to give in your message of 25/03/06 about where and when she was finally broken up. I have researched my dad's (merchant navy) war history in great detail but I never discovered a source that told me the eventual fate of the various vessels he sailed on. I would like to know if any still exist. Are you able to tell me what original source you were using to get this kind of information? Thank you, Bill (p.s. you can contact me off-list on 'terrabills@aol.com')

nnPedro,I think I may have unintentionally misled you.Last year was not a good one for me,I spent time in and out of dock,Ok now .However, My son came over to see me the other day,we got talking, as you do and I showed him this site.He then tells me that at some time last year, whilst I was laid up he organised a plaque.I still hav'nt seen it ,not too concerned about that but would like confirmation that it is in situ.Take care David L-J

ok David I will check it out but wont be back in Goole myself until July.Getting back to the Cedarbank I have all the names of all the crew lost on her 14 in total.But unable to find anything about the gunner listed as missing on her in fact I cant find any gunner lost on the 21st april 1940 Just wondered if you had any info on him as Im beginning to doubt that a 15th man was lost on her.

Pedro;Ref the gunner on MV Cedarbank His name was W .McGRATH, 200,Commercial road, Liverpool.This info comes from the crew list I have in my possession.Regards,David L-J

GOOLE SHIPBUILDING & REPAIRING COMPANY

As I mentioned a few weeks back, a new internet-based archive of Goole-built ships has been added to the Waterways Museum website, it has been launched today (and is still afloat!).

For 539 vessels built by GS&R between 1902 and 1988, use the link via

www.waterwaysmuseum.org.uk

Many thanks to everyone local and 'foreign' who have made this possible.
Additional data and photographs will always be welcome, use the e-mail link on the site.

George

David yes I have Mcgrath William listed as missing but registered as deckhand he his in the 14 lost crew. but the archives state 15 lost inc 1 gunner.I feel a mistake somewhere

George enjoyed perusing Goole shipbuilding link nice one

Pedro;What can I say! sufficient that the crew list I have is a copy of the original from Andrew Weir.I can't go along with this but many many years ago some guy from Goole who was in the service contacted my mother and told that shortly after the war he was in one of the South American ports where he reckons he had seen my dad,not to speak to though.He may have been mistaken,certainly misguided as my G/mother Rebecca,took up spiritulism inan effort to contact my dad andnearly drove herself insane trying to contact him.I could ramble on for hours but youdon't want that.

David lea Jackson ref- Cedarbank plaque my brother checked the memorial site on lock hill this weekend and assures me that the plaque is indeed there also one for S Whitely of the Northmoor

Does anyone know if there are any archives anywhere for the Bennett SS Co? I'm trying to find information on my grandfather William Beaumont Leggott who worked for them. I know he was on the SS Volga in 1925. I also know he was on Goole Tug no.10 during the first world war. I have a photo of Tug No. 10 thanks to the Waterways museum.
Thanks.

Pedro,Many thanks to you and your brother for checking things out for me.Yesterday a letter arrived from an old friend of my late aunt Rose Newsome (LEA).Enclosed was a photo that appeared in the GT some years ago,it shows five Goole river pilots one of whom is Captain William Lea(Joes brother).The others shown are as follows,E W WOODHEAD,W SHERBURN, B GEORGE and A E BLACKBURN.Somewhere in my ditty box I also have a GT photo take at the turn of last century of William on the Blacktooft ferry surrounded by a bevy of attractive young ladies dressed in the style of the period.Regards David L-J

Trying to trace details about my gtgrandfather JOHN PALMER who was a seaman all his life. He was born about 1835 in Goole and father was William (only details I have of the family) John married in Guernsey to a Julia LeMaitre whose family were also seamen and I am assuming that as a young boy he went to sea and his travels took him on a run to Guernsey. Are there any records that would show listings of crew on vessels sailing from Goole and at what age could a boy become a crew member in those days?

Pat, Most MN records are at Kew, however some were shipped to Halifax, Nova Scotia. You can go on the Vindicatrix site (www.vindicatrix-hq.fsnet.co.uk) and scroll down and find Archives for MN records. If you can't get into the archives scroll all the way down and click on Robin Hurst and ask him if he can help you.The Vindicatrix was an MN Training ship where 70,000 boys trained from 1939-1966. Good Luck

Can anyone enlighten me.With the able assistance of Mrs Margaret Howard I have been able to confirm my parents date of marriage which took place on 14/03/30 at Goole Parish Church.My dad was twenty one at thetime,resident at 8 Adams st.What intersts me is his stated occupation which was Chief Ss Officer.What was that? AT 21 he would have completed his deck officers apprenticeship and would have been "deep sea".regards to all.David L-J

Only thing I can think of David SS abreviation for simply ships first officer i/e first mate.During my sea going career all first (officers) chief mate deep sea held a masters certificate as with the second mate holding first officers cert etc.

Pedro,Nice to hear from you again.thanks for your thoughts on Chief SS Officer. I bear in mind my dad was only a youngster at the time but somewhere in the dark reccesses of my mind I seem to recall my mother telling me that my dad was the youngest officer to obtain his "deep sea" Masters cert. I have an idea the rules were changed at sometime during the late 20's early 30's. Take care. David L-J.

Does anyone know how i go about finding a lost discharge book for my father. He was on the new australia in 1949 and served in the merchant navy from 1941 - 1959. I would like to get a copy of this for him for his birthday but am having trouble tracking down who i need to contact. Any information on this would be greatly received. Many thanks for your time.

Re-lost dischargebook go to http://www..voy.com/149183/ these guys will help immensley with any M.N enquiries.Especially Mr Billy Mcgee hes a mind of information.

I wrote asking if anyone knew where the shipping federation was and in response Alan Cumbersworth and Peter Harrison gave me some very good information and i would like to thank them both.

Your very Welcome Baz its not often we get feedback.Its nice to know our efforts are appreciated

I am after information and photographs of the SS Rye, No 2 that was sunk in ww2. or photographs of her sister ships the Hebble, Rother or Don.
Thank You

F gray leave a contact address email will peruse my pics

Trying to find out anything about William Collier born 1825. Lived and died in Goole 1901 Master Mariner and ship owner of the 'Barclay' 44562 90 ton 2 masted schooner wrecked Dundrum Bay 27 Feb 1886 carrying passengers and manure!
also owned
the 'Ouse' 26606 2 masted ketch in the 1890's

Hi there
I am interested in finding a vessel called the shah or shark of whom my great grandfather William Osburn (1851-1904) was the Master Crewman. The ships number is 68529 and he was on the vessel on both the 1891 & 1901 census returns. The words Mars Barge are also used - which I dont understand?
I would be grateful for any help or even a pointer in the right direction.
Thanks in advance
Jo

My father was lost on the SS EMPIRE OAK August 1941. On the Merchant Navy Memorial at Tower Hill London beside the name of the Ship is GOOLE in brackets. Can anyone tell me what the connection is? I know the Empire Oak was launched in March 1941 and did sea trials in July and was torpedoed in August and sunk on her way to the Mediterranean. I came across this Web Site and found it very interesting and just wondered if anyone could shed any light on the connection between the SS EMPIRE OAK and Goole. Thank you.

Hi Diana the Empire Oak was a steam tug built at Goole 1941 sunk by torpedo from U Boat 564 on august 22nd 1941 in the north atlantic in convoy from the UK to Gibraltar

Diana if you go to top of this page right hand see goole shipbuilding you will find her here.Unfortunately no picture.A very short and sad life indeed.

I posted a message on the general board but have received no reply and wonder if this is the better place for information.I am trying to find out as much as possilbe about the loss of SS Merville in 1923 and SS Colne1907. I do have newspaper cuttings but in particular I wanted to know the result of enquiries and also does anyone have the commemorative edition of the Goole Times from 1923? I am wanting if possible a picture of my grandfather John Townsley who was the captain of these ships.

Merville 1903 built by Dundee shipping Co as the Edie for Goole & West Riding Steam shipping 1917 sold to Yorkshire Coal & Steam Shipping. 1919 renamed Merville (same owners) 15th march 1923 foundered 20 miles off Steenbank while on voyage from Goole to Ghent with a cargo of coal.
re-her loss only mention in lloyds report is of severe weather. 12 crew lost and 2 picked up by the Norwegian steamer Frithjof Eide. afraid thats all I Have maybe Goole Library archives can offer further assistance.

SHAH for Jo

Jo, she was a fine paddle tug, here are her details ...

1874, 86grt

J.Readhead, South Shields (99) for Joseph Martin, London

Bought by Goole & Hull Steam Towing Co. in 1878

Sold to George Alder, Middlesbrough in 1914, renamed DALES THORPE in 1916

Broken up at Hylton in 1929

I have a rather faded photo of her from Charlie Hill's collection.

George

George - you are a superstar :o)

I would love a copy of the picture if you dont mind emailing it to me.

Also, sorry to be a pain but could you explain the info a little further - I'm kinda new to all this history business let alone ships and tugs ;o)

Thanks so much
Jo
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My Gr Gr Grandfather was Captain of SS Paradox, which sailed out of Goole in the 1890s. I also have an oil painting of the ship by Reuban Chappell. Does anyone have information on the ship or is able to tell me where I can find it. Thanks

Many thanks Pedro for the info about the EMPIRE OAK. My brother and I did not realise the she had such a short life,and also that she was built so close to home. My brother was born at Bridlington where our father was fishing with the Brid Boats, and I was born at Hull where our father was a Trawlerman there. He joined the Merchant Navy shortly after the War started.My brother and I now live in Doncaster not a million miles away! One last request please Pedro, I found the details of the Empire Oak,sadly no photo like you said,but I found details of the Empire Larch launched in January 1941 same details,in your opinion would the Empire OaK have looked the same as in the photos of this Vessel.? Again Many Many Thanks for all the interest you show and all the help you give, it means a lot. Diana

To Diana I spoke to my brother who worked at Goole shipyard from 1930 until its closeure. He remembers all the tugs mentioned and confirms the Empire Larch was infact identical to the Oak

Thanks Pedro. I now feel I have a personal link to Goole and a closer link to my father. Keep up the good work. Diana.

Empire Oak
Just a few more snippets sunk by U-564 on Aug 22 1941 in convoy OG71 by Kapitanleutnant Reinhard (teddy) Suhren. Empire Oak had a crew of 20-14 lost.He sank a total of 5 ships in two days from this convoy. (you may wonder as I did why waste a torpedo on a tug) I found out that he had onboard at the time a war correspondent of the Nazi propoganda service who was recording events for German newsreels and magazines. So maybe this was the reason,Kapitan Suhren fired more successful torpedo shots than any other U-Boat officer he was awarded swords to his oak leaves and knights cross during this his last combat patrol,before taking command of U-boats stationed in Norway.

For Valerie - Cumbria

PARADOX
The only one I have on file is a small steamer of 358grt built in 1870 by Gilbert & Cooper at Hull and owned by William France of Leeds and registered at Goole .... but she was transferred to the Aberdeen register in May 1883 so might not be the one you are looking for, I don't know if she changed her name after this sale.

SHAH for Jo.

Jo, the first line of the data means built in 1874 and her gross registered tonnage was 86 (a measure of her size).
The next line is her shipbuilder (Readhead) and first owner, the rest should be obvious.
E-mail me on shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk for a return copy of the photo.

Thanks Mr Robinson. I looked more closely at the painting this weekend, and there is WF on the funnel. The date of the painting is 1890, and it was done in Goole. The Captains name was J Fielder. Would this additional info help in any way, to find out more.

To Pedro, Thanks for the extra info on the Empire Oak, we've learnt more from you in the last couple of weeks about our fathers ship than we have been able to find out over a lot of years! Where do you get your information, I've tried quite a few web sites but never seem to get very far. Our fathers name was Charles Henry Temple and was Second Watchkeeper on the Oak. Again many thanks for your interest.

To Diana just wondered if you are aware that Goole has a memorial Garden remembering those who fought and died at sea in both world wars.Names of ships and crew listed altho I will check if the Empire Oak is entered. The annual memorial service took place earlier this month.

To Diana Empire Oak casualties
Captain Fredrick E. Christian-3crew-4 gunners survived.
Lost
Booth James Max age17 son of Horatio and Leah Booth Chesterfield (messroom boy)
Concepcion Nicholas age 36 Liverpool Able Seaman
Dixon Charles age 30 fireman
Eastham James Third Engineer age19 Preston Lancs
Forrest Francis age40 Fireman
Golden Albert age38
Kavanagh Michael age 21 Asst Steward(survived the Oak but lost same day on SS Aquila)
Lidguard William K age17 2nd radio officer Hull
Robinson Cyril G 1st Radio officer age26
Temple Charles Henry 2nd Watch Keeper age35
Thompson John (cook) age27
Tomkins Edwin (galley boy) age16 Hull
Wallace William Chief Eng age45

For Valerie - Cumbria re PARADOX

With a bit more digging, I have found it!

A steamer PARADOX was built in 1883 by Millwall Graving Dock Yard, London for the Executors of William France, Goole. She was 594grt and 172 feet x 28 feet. Later registered in the name of the company Wm. France & Co. Ltd.
Sold in 1904 to Belgian owners at Ghent and renamed ZELANDIA.
Wrecked at Warkworth, Northumberland on 31 oct. 1905 when inward for Warkworth from Ghent in ballast.

I'm sure this will be the one in the Chappell painting.

Best wishes
George

Anybody know where I can obtain a photo of the collier "Deedale"which I sailed on in 1952.she was old then and Ithink she was regestered in Sunderland.

To Pedro Thanks taking the time to list the casualties from the Empire Oak, seeing the names of the crew who were lost with our father was quite moving, as so many of them were so young.I listen to Radio Humbersides phone-in most mornings and someone called to say they had been to the Service at the Memorial Garden on Merchant Navy Day and it was excellent. Is the Memorial easy to get to, would it be nearer to the bus station or the railway station?

Diana

Diana Doncaster bus terminus is in North St the memorial is on the Riverside 5 mins walk to the opposite end of the Street,Train
Station 10 mins walk.It is well sign posted.

Thanks Pedro, Getting a bus timetable tomorrow. Appreciate all your help. Diana.

Dear George, Many thanks for the information, I am sure this is the one. Do you know anything about the captain?

Thanks again Valerie

Have just come across this web-site and noted that there are queries regarding SS Marlwood. My wife's uncle, Godfrey DOWNHAM, was radio operator aboard both this vessel and SS Sotero of the John Glynn Line sailing out of Liverpool during the period around 1919 and I have copies of Crew Lists illustrating this. It is probable that he was also aboard the SS Mendocino. His later years were spent in Rio de Janeiro until his death there in 1951 but the intervening years are a mystery though family anecdote has him serving in the same capacity aboard cruise liners during that period.
It is Godfrey that I am researching rather than the vessels but a photograph or other information on any of the ships would be a great asset. Having no personal involvement with or knowledge of ships and shipping, I should be delighted to hear from anyone who may be able to help.

Message for Alan Dixon.
I think I can help you. There were in fact two ships named the Marlwood. When I was researching my father's war history I obtained an excellent photo of the first Marlwood from the National Maritime Museum. I later discovered that this was not my Dad's boat, as he was on the later (1924) vessel. The photo I have must be of the vessel that Godfrey Downham served on. I am more than happy to send this photo to you, you can contact me on terrabills@aol.com.
Bill Stewart

any info on above please.

For Valerie - Cumbria re PARADOX

Sorry Valerie I have no info re the captain or crew of the vessel.
You are indeed lucky to have a Reuben Chappell painting, do look after it and maybe one day it can find it's way back to one of the Goole museums?

George

For Alan

MARLWOOD
1906, 1988grt built by Osbourne, Graham at Sunderland for Wm. France, Fenwick & Co.
1917 to European Gas Co., London
1926 to Harries Bros., Swansea
Broken up in 1933

SOTERO
1882, 1873grt by Richardson, Duck & Co., Thornaby as JERSEY CITY for Chas. Hill, Bristol
1910 BOSFORO, Italian
1912 SOTERO, J. Glynn, Liverpool
1923 to MacAndrews & co.
Broken up in 1924

MENDOCINO
steam tanker
1917, 7032grt by James Laing, Sunderland for H.E.Moss as nominees for Norwegian owners.
From 1919 under Norwegian flag
1938 KARIBISCHES MER, German
1939 OLSCHIFF 1, German navy
Scuttled at Rouen 21/8/1944, broken up in 1946.

Hi I am trying to trace information on Edwin Ernest Atkinson who co-owned Atkinson and Prickett Shipping Company. This company commenced about 1906 in Goole with offices at Hull. I am doing family research into my ancestors and would love to hear from anybody who has any knowledge on this family. Many thanks.
Angela Taylor (nee Atkinson)

Angela - email me r.d.ward@btinternet.com
Mary Anna Atkinson, daughter of Thomas and Jane and therefore I think Edwin's sister, was the second wife of my great grandfather, Tom Dunham.

Re Atkinson & Prickett.

The company still exists and is mainly a ship's agent for tankers on the Humber, they are at Crowle House, 41 High Street, Hull HU1 1RJ, tel 01482-324191.

For many years they have been part of T.E.Kettlewell & Sons who are also active in Hull and at Goole. There are several generations of the Kettlewell family still involved but I have never known an Atkinson during my time in the ports business.

They were also Goole shipowners of course for many years, I have quite a lot of ships on file if interested.

George

I have found some records of Goole Sloops that were in Spalding, Lincs (part of the port of Boston) in the 1850's. They are Ann & Maria, Captain J Jackson, Martha, Captain ?, and Truefriend, Captain Colley. This may be of interest to someone.
Regards
Keith

I was recently sorting through family photographs,as you do when you reach a certain age, when I came across a photo of a single stack, slightly raked, steamer named LIBERTY,she was well aground at the time the photo was taken which I think would have been in the early part of the last century. On the reverse side is the name Captain Proudfoot.
I am aware of most of the ships my dad was on, also the ships my g/fathers captained but this one is to me a complete mystery.

Thinking caps on Pedro, Mr Robinson, enlighten me.
Regards,David L-J

LIBERTY was one of the Goole-based fleet of the Cooperative Wholesale Society, Manchester.
Built in 1890, 895grt by Earle's at Hull.
She passed successively to Goole SS Co., Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway then the LMS Railway before being broken up at Sunderland in 12/1931.

LIBERTY
Sorry, small correction to above, the CWS fleet passed directly to the L&Y in May 1906 but you will find her under the Goole SS fleet list on this site as they still used that as a trading name.

Re: Atkinson & Prickett.
Hello George could you let me know how to contact you re the shipping information you have. I have a copy photograph of Mr Atkinson & Mr Prickett, the original of which I borrowed from Mr Kettlewell in 2005. Mr Atkinson would appear to have died prior to the second world war, the business eventually being taken over by the Kettlewell family.
Many thanks.
Angela Taylor

Whilst reseaching my Norton ancestors I came across a great great uncle who was captain of the Surprise registered in Goole. I think that she was a passenger vessel. At the time of the 1881 census she was in West Ham with 95 people on board. Please does anyone have additional information about the vessel? christine

G.eorge,
thanks for the info ref Liberty.What intigues me is the fact that the photo I have is "mounted"and I am left wondering if she was one of the ships my G/f Joseph lea served on as a young man.Is there any way of confirming.The first ship my G/f captained was the LIZZIE,out of Goole in the late 1800's,or so I was told.
Regards,
David L-J.

hallo the wreck from the rallph creyke is in front off zoutelande and not flussing the wreck is in good codision i can send you some intesting foto,s from plates from the goole company wat i have found on the wreck give me your email aderes i send you some foto,s we are looking for the bell not found yet the wreck is on a depht off 20mtr broken in two parts very bad visebiletie 2mtr not a lot and a lot off curent danger dive side many holes to swim in do you have some foto,s from this ship we can yous it for the dive investigation i wil send you some foto,s greetings patrick sloot from holland

David, if you contact me on shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk I can offer a copy photo of LIBERTY for comparison. Sorry I don't have any crew lists.

LIZZIE 1900, 631grt by Selby SB & Engineering for Furness, Withy but bought by Goole owner G.B.Wadsworth in 1901 and kept until sold 1912 to Norwegian owners. Again have a photo on file.

George

I used to sail out of Goole in the 1950s and enjoy this site very much also the wonderful riversea.Noted on the Riversea the ship Yewvalley lost off Cromer .This was a lucky escape for me as I was due to sign on in Goole with a shipmate from Goole J brocklesby(or was it Brocklesbank)Jack joined her and was lost with all hands I changed my mind and opted for the Roman Queen (Queenship Nav Co)I have searched in vain for a photo of the Roman and Tudor Queen but with no success.Just wondered if anyone could assist with these.I have fond memories of Goole and its pubs from the 50s

Pete, here are details for TUDOR QUEEN, ROMAN QUEEN was from the same class..

1941, 1029grt

Name ship for a class of war-built colliers

Burntisland Shipbuilding (247) for British Channel Islands Shipping

1947 Queenship Navigation

1959 Coast Lines

Broken up at Troon, arrived 25/9/1959

I do have her photo on file, e-mail me on shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk

George

Hi all

I am looking for information on my great grandfather who was lost on The MV Cedarbank on the 21st of April 1940.

see below:


Name: PEARCE, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Donkeyman
Regiment/Service: Merchant Navy
Unit Text: M.V. Cedarbank (Glasgow)
Age: 46
Date of Death: 21/04/1940
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Pearce.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 25.
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Does anyone have any additional information On Joseph Pearce?

Also can anyone explain why they have his fathers name as Joseph Pearce when he was indeed a John Pearce (Navy man).?

Any information would be greatfully apprieciated.

Best wishes

Maria

Maria,
My dad was 2nd officer/navigation officer/guns and was also lost when the Cedarbank was sunk.His name was David Jackson(Capt).
I was very surprised to see your message.Should you you feel inclined to contact me please don't hesitate.My email address is davidleajackson@yahoo.co.uk
Regards,
David L-J

Ref Queenships
Many many thanks George for photos and info on the Tudor-Norman Queen.

My cousin got in touch asking if I could find out anything about the SS Gripfast, he says he remembers her being brought into Bridlington Harbour during the war (with great difficulty) for repairs, does anyone else remember this happening? He found a SS Gripfast built in 1910 that was bombed and sunk in 1943 in the Channel some were off the Isle of Wight and wondered if this was the same ship. Grateful for any help. Diana.

Can anyone tell me anything about SS India, registered Goole. Master was Charles Powell. She was moored in Lowestoft at the 1881 census.
Many thanks

GRIPFAST

Yes Diana, she was the same vessel ...

Built 1910, 1109grt

by Joseph Crown & Sons, Sunderland (139) for Newbigin Steam Shipping Co., Newcastle

Bombed and gunned by aircraft on 29/1/1940 when 10 miles SE by E of Flamborough Head

Bombed and sunk on 9/7/1942, 50.26N 02.59W

Barry for Sheerness with coal

I have a photo on file.

INDIA

Here are basic details Barry ...

Built 1876, 364 grt by John Readhead, South Shields for Bennett S.S. Co., Goole
Sank in Ouse Dock 30/7/1896 but raised and repaired
Sold in 1899 to Bennetts of Penzance (no relation to the Goole company)
Sold foreign after 1913 and sank in 11/1928.

Photo on file at Waterways Museum from Charlie Hill's collection.

According to his marriage certificate from 1864 one of my ancestors who was a Master Mariner could not read and write.I find this very strange since I well remember my dad studying for his tickets and I know that he needed to be able to read!!!
The compulsary exams for competancy began in 1854. Does anyone know anything about the written part of the exams. which granted these certificates.

T

Very many thanks George for your reply. I can't get to Goole. Is there a photograph of a similar vessel somewhere on the web do you know?
Many thanks
Barry Parsisson

To George
Thank you for the information on the GRIPFAST.
I would be very pleased to send my cousin a photo for memories sake if possible?
Earlier on the Message Board I got a lot of help about my fathers ship Empire Oak. My cousins father Edward Temple was lost on H M Trawler Orfasy 1943 somewhere off the coast of Africa. His father and mine were brothers. I would greatly appreciate any help with the photo.
Thanks again
Diana

To Diana and Barry .... e-mail me at I will send copies of the photos to you

shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk

Hello George,
Many thanks for the marvellous photo of GRIPFAST, I have E-mailed it on to my cousin who remembers watching it being brought into Bridlington Harbour, with his father in 1940 after, like you said being bombed off Flamborough Head. Later his father was lost on the HMS ORFASY 1943. I am sure the photo will bring back memories to him, happy but tinged with sadness, like the ones my brother and I experienced seeing the photo of the ship that was a replica of our fathers ship also sunk earlier in the War.
Many,many thanks to to you and the Goole Website.
Regards, Diana.

Goole Shipyards - my g-grandfather (John George) and grandfather (John Edward) worked at the ship yards in Goole. Is there any way of confirming JG's start date/year of employment at the Goole Shipbuilding & Repairing Company Ltd? Any employment records still surviving from 1902-1910? This would help me set a date when he came to Goole from Stockton On Tees between 1901 and 1910. We have a population census record of him living in Stockton in 1901, he married my great grandmother (2nd wife) in 1910. Any information relating to this enquiry is much appreciated.

Nautilus
My Dad told me that before the war he used to see 2 tugs taking ships to the fertilizer works on the Dutch River. One was the Nautilus, can anyone help with the name of the other. Also, any photos would be appreciated.

For Pete. I too sailed out of Goole in the early fifties,and in fact we were having a few pints in "Melodies" pub with the crew off the Yew Valley the night she sailed, we did not sail till the next tide and were sure taken aback when word got back to Goole . that she had gone down.I remember an AB who had just joined her, a short chap five six or so, who had tight curly hair, who had just been ship wrecked on the ship that had left Goole in thick fog and ran aground on the south bank, just down river from the shipyard, the pilot put her astern, and was off the south bank and hard and fast on the north bank befoe they realized they had moved, I remember him saying, nobody would believe he had been shipwrecked in a graveyard But I don't remember the name of the ship which became a total loss

Empire Oak..Some missing details of people lost.
Charles Dixon age 30 of 100 melrose st Hull Fireman.James Eastam age 19,Hull 3rd Engineer.Frank Forrest age 40 of 33,st Pauls Street Hull Fireman.Albert Golden age 38 of 10,8th avenue,North Hull Estate,Fireman.Leonard Arthur Hunter age 23,RN,Ab.Michael Dennis Kavanagh age 21,Hull asst Steward but was on passage as a DBS (Distressed British Seaman).Cyril George Robinson age 26 of 5 Atlas Ave,Hull Radio Officer.Charles Tempest age 35,2nd Watchkeeper.Edwin Tompkins age 16 of 24,Gradley Street,Hull Galley Boy.......................................
Hope these details out of my records are of interest I believe them to be as accurate as possible.
I have just found this site and find it very interesting,especially as one of the vessels I served on is featured on the first page I believe it is the AUTOSTRADA or may be Autobahn .I joined my very first ship in Goole That was the MV Melissa M,in 1963,following that up with the mv Paulgate,onto the Ariosto ( Kirkham Abbey ?) and all the Ugland vessels to visit.
I am still in the Merchant navy now and am actually in Angola...
Keep up the good site...Geoff Johnson (Bosun) MN

OUSE S.B. COMPANY, HOOK

The Goole shipbuilding website has been extended to cover Ouse SB at Hook which was in production 1918-1923, it can be accessed via the Goole SB link or directly on this address ...

http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/ouse/ousesb.htm

Any extra info, corrections or photos always welcome.

George

I am a vindiboy from july/august/48! I have gone down the list and found no connection with anything relating to my past years on my sea experiences from 1948 to 1961. Everything points to the days of sail? Are there anyone out there that are familiar with the good old days of the RMS Queen Elizabeth-1 run to New York in the 1950s and 60s? or the long trips to South Africa from Southampton to the Cape on the Union-Castle Line? or maybe the Aussie Run? there has to be someone out there , who still exists still even though I'm 75! There must be an old shipmate that can relate his experiences working in the first class dining room? Just mention some names.
Hope someone picks up on this, it would be a pity to pass it by!
Terry, P.S. Also the B.T.C. tankers in the 50s?

Terry I sailed out of Goole 1949 to59 on deck ,did my training at Gravesend Sea school, sailed on the "British Splendour" and the "British Reliance" around 1954-55, also AHL.and Steve Clarke, with a few others in between, yes there are still some of us around

Thats great, at least I have someone that relates to the far off past, although you are deck,it doesn't mean a thing to me,we were all shipmates, right? Do you remember the "British Fortune"? in the 1949 latter period. Also is there anyone who sailed on that tanker?

If anyone can tell me about there experiences at the vindicatrix training school? Come on, there must be loads of you out there?
There has to be someone out there.
What about the QE-1? Anyone have a connection in the first class dining room in the 50s and 60s?
I am now in my 70s, like most of you are!
I would love to hear from you.

Terry go to www.Merchant Navy.net/ It is the site of Brians Merchant navy looking for old friends, click on links and the vindi web page is the very first entry good luck

Hello matey,
I did not get the full e-mail address to contact other shipmates!
You ended with net/! maybe you ommitted some important letters? I really appreciate your imput never-the-less.
Terry.

Terry just put, brians merchant navy, in your google search bar and the website should come up, tha click on the site that says "looking for old freinds"

It was interesting reading above about my Great Grandfather's boat Warwickbrook. If anyone knows anything about any other 'brook's or about my great grandfather William Comben-Longstaff, I would be fascinated. Thank you

COMBEN LONGSTAFF

Samantha

Interesting to hear of your family connection, what you need is this book which might still be in print, try your local bookseller

COMBEN LONGSTAFF & CO. LTD
K.S.Garrett
World Ship Society, 1996

ISBN 0 905617 58 82 7

otherwise enquire with the WSS via their website

http://www.worldshipsociety.org/

it has a foreword by Barbara Comben Strange, daughter of William so presumably your aunt??

I am trying to find out more information about a ship that my Great Great Grandfather was Captain on. His name was John W Hutchinson and he was Captain of the SS Broomfleet, part of the Ebor Line fleet. Which unfortunatly went down during a storm on the 13th December 1933 of the coast of Norfolk.
Does anyone have any further information or photos of this ship?

A David Hutchinson recently lodged title deeds at Goole Ref. library plus some artefacts, I think, relating to his marine family. Perhaps your contact no. left with Goole library (01405 762187 and ask for Jennifer) would enable linkage on history.

William McGrath of MV Cedarbank was my grandfather. My grandmother said he was a gunner but when I saw him listed as a deckhand I thought she had got it wrong, so I was really intrigued to read these comments. If anyone has any further information, I'd be grateful.

Thanks, Ros

Ros,
Ref your message.Looking back on this site you will see that my dad David Jackson was lost when the Cedarbank went down. Prior to the Cedarbank he was master on the Inverbank but was 2nd officer,navigation and guns when the ship went down.
Feel free to contact me if you want to have a chat.

Regards David L-J

My uncle, able seaman Harold Preston, served on the tug Empire Oak, and his date of death is listed as the 23/8/1941. I was suprised that Pedro's reply to Diana on the 19/9/06 did not include my uncle's name. I can only assume that because because he died the day after the sinking, he survived the explosion for 24 hours. Can anyone give me more information?

Howard.

BROOMFLEET for Jamie Hutchinson.

She was built in 1912, 864grt by W.Harkess at Middlesbrough as AVONWOOD for local owner Joseph Constantine. Bought by Ebor S.S. Co. (E.P.Atkinson) in 1924 and renamed BROOMFLEET. Missing as you mention on 13/12/1933 on a voyage from Goole to Ipswich.
If you e-mail me at shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk then I can send a scan of an old postcard view of her from the Waterways Museum collection courtesy of Charlie Hill.

Has anyone seen the after effects of the River Trent bore, the aegir in the River Ouse at Goole? I have an ancestor who lost his wife and two children in 1871 when they were leaving their barge Goole docks and were hit by a montrous wave.

Terry I sailed out of Goole in the early 50s Then down to southampton Queen Mary & Queen Elizabeth 1st class waiter until 62 then went on the Queen of Bermuda also did a world cruise on Orient lines Orcades 16 yrs at sea.

For Howard Preston Re Empire Oak yor uncle could have survived the sinking of the Oak.Some crew were picked up by the HMS Zinnia and the Irish ship Clonara only to be lost next day by torpedo from the same U Boat previously stated

For pedro - you may well be right, my uncle could well have been one of the navy gunners that got off the Oak, I'll probably never know for sure. Thank you for taking the time to reply.

Regards, Howard.

Howard your uncle also as a gunner would be commemorated on
on The royal navy memorial and not as missing merchant seamen

Wow Samantha what a famous ggrandfather you had.With many ties to Goole Comben Longstaff ships all ending in brook i/e
Lancasterbrook Lincolnbrook Leicesterbrook Londonbrook Durhambrook to name a few Sailed out of Goole with coal for the power stations of London and elsewhere.I myself sailed on the above ships during the 1950s.The Lancasterbrook captained by Harold Lawson of Goole had a regular trade from Goole to Ipswich and Yarmouth happy days.

Terry. Send me an e mail EPol111@aol.com was at the Vindicatrix dec 51 Mar 52 catering got plenty of names from the Mary & Lizzie

Sure, Goole is alright... But if you're after a *really* happening place, head over to Bubwith.

Regards,

Bob, from Bubwith

See a romance of exports story on this page for a pic of captain Harold Lawson master of the Sanfry.I previously mentioned him when he captained the Lancasterbrook

I am trying to gain information regarding my G/G Grandfather (John Grindell) and his ships. I know that he was a Master Mariner and ship owner born in Knottingly. I also understand that he owned or part-owned the following vessels, ECLIPSE registered Goole No2, JOHN & ELIZABETH Registered Goole No 27, SPRING RICE Registered Goole No 44, MARY & ANN registered Hull No 17, BENJAMIN & MICHAEL Goole No 10. There may have been more but I am not aware of them.
His son, also John Grindell, was Master of YOUNG HUDSON at some stage but also was involved with two other vessels operating out of Southwold harbour. I believe that they were the ALBION and the DEVONIA.
Any information would be gratefully received.
Graham Peck

For Graham Peck.

Following has been extracted from the records held at the Waterways Museum at Goole, original info compiled by Ron Gosney of Knottingley. Trust it will help.

"ECLIPSE Schooner, built Knottingley 1848 by Thomas Cliffe. 21.11.1855 transferred to Yarmouth. 3 owners, one of them a William Grindell of Knottingley.

JOHN & ELIZABETH Sloop built Knottingley 1842 by Thomas Cliffe, run down in Low Reach Feb 1861. 1842 owned by John Grindell and two others.

SPRING RICE Sloop, built Knottingley 1838 by Thomas Cliffe, lost with all hands 16/01/1867. Owned by a few people including John Grindell.

MARY & ANN none with a grindell connection

BENJAMIN & MICHAEL Sloop built Wakefield 1840 by James Craved. Two owners including John Grindell.

YOUNG HUDSON Schooner built Hull 1871, but no Grindell owners. Foundered in South BAy, Wexford 9/11/1906.

ALBION several Albions but none with Grindells as owners.

DEVONIA none listed.

I've cross referenced against the name Grindell, and ECLIPSE, JOHN & ELIZABETH, SPRING RICE and BENJAMIN AND MICHAEL are the only Grindell owned vessels listed."

I am interested in a letter posted by David Lea-Jackson at 31/05/2006 15:49 concerning a photograph from the Goole Times showing the river pilots. I wonder if I could have the date of the newspaper so I can print a copy the photo myself from the microfilm copies. I am interested in E.W. Woodhead specifically. incidentally, does anyone know if he was a master before being a pilot? I think it would be on the Gwynwood for France-Fenwick about 1900-1904.

Can anyone tell me about the ships Navarra and Fairy as my great grandfather sailed on both of these as second mate in 1880-1891. Were they built in Goole? Were they big ships or little? any info appreciated

NAVARRA and FAIRY

The only British flag NAVARRA that I can find from this period is this one ....
1882, 592grt, built by Henry Murray & Sons, Port Glasgow for local owner H. Lamont & Co.
Sold overseas in 1896 as NIKOLAI then as WASA, wrecked in ice in Gulf of Finland on 15/2/1923

FAIRY was a common name but with local connections a very likely one would be ...
1868, 659grt built by Earle's, Hull for Lofthouse & Glover of Hull, sold in 1881 to Wm. Bailey of Hull (later Bailey & Leetham) and taken over by Thos. Wilson from 1903, broken up at Widnes in 1911. I have a scan of a photo of her, e-mail me on shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk and will send you a copy.

To Peter Scott.

Peter,I've had a look at the photo you refer to but regret to say there are no dates shown.However my wife has said that she is more than happy to go into Boots with a view to them taking a photo of the print,if this is possible.

With regard to Masters and Pilots.I feel Pedro or George would be more qaulified than I but must say that in my g/fathers case(Joseph Lea)together with three of his brothers, they were Masters before becoming Pilots.

I have photographs of the SS Rio Dorado and SS Hazel Branch. Does anyone know if these were Goole registered ships? My dad sailed on both between 1929 and 1930. I think that he served his time on the Dorado.
I also have a photo of the Wedgewood which I am certain was a Goole ship. What happened to her?

Christine the Rio Dorado was too big to enter Goole.She was lost with all hands 39 in total midway from the usa to uk on the 16th march 1941.The convoy was attacked by the notoriously famous German battleships Gneisenau and Scharnhorst.Ibelieve she belonged to Thompson steamship co and was registered in Blyth Northumberland.

For Christine Ref Hazelbranch built 1906 by Napier and Miller cargo ship 4734 tons owners on completion Bellgrano Steamship Co.(Bell Bros and McLelland) Glasgow UK flag.History Hazelbranch-31 Vagliano. Broken up at Blyth 3rd jan 1936
Note there was an earlier Hazelbranch (1889) wrecked Adelaide 12-11 1907

For Christine cant find any wedgewood please check spelling. However S.S Wedgwood built 1910 by Thomsons of Southwick for France Fenwick cargo ship 1673 tons. Subsequent history 32 Altero 36 Pegli lost Cape Gallo Sicily 14 march 1943.Christine this one could have traded out of Goole the other two far to big Hull would be nearest Port

Really pleased with that information Pedro. I had got the wrong spelling for the Wedgwood. She would have been the F Fenwick one. I have been reading up about the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau and on the day they sank the Dorado they captured or sank 16 other merchantmen. Very pleased to find that they were sunk themselves by the British Navy.

Thanks George for the info about the Navarra and the Fairy. The picture of the Fairy was exellent. Many thanks for your help.

In my seagoing days all the pilots I knew were ex sea captains or at least held a masters certificate minimum HT (home trade)
the AHL lanky boats as stated earlier piloted their own vessels to Goole.The Don Dearne etc running to Scandanavia (Copenhagen) This was classed as FT (foriegn trade) and consiquently the masters of these vessels held a deepsea masters cert.The only uncertified Pilots I knew on the river were taking ships up to Howdendyke and Selby.Namely W Cawthorne and Eastwoods Whos knowledge of this part of the Ouse was gained by employment over the years on barges and tugs going up to York.

Note the Selby and Howdendyke pilots only took small ships from Goole up river vice versa.After the certified pilots brought them up from Hull.

Since the changes in 2001, the 'Selby Pilots' can take ships to/from Blacktoft Jetty so there is no longer a need to come alongside on Victoria Pier to change pilots.

George,
Following recent email contact from Australian relatives I've had cause to refer to family records and found that my G/Father joe Lea served on the Cornhill and was joined at sometime by his younger brother Stephen Lea as 2nd officer.
I can only presume that all this took place in the early part of last century and oddly enough I can't find any photo's or history of the ship.Can you help?
Regards,
David L-J

David sorry to jump in but only reference to a Cornhill I can find is a tug built for france fenwick in 1943 obviously not what your looking for

CORNHILL for David.

Almost certainly this one.
1891, 922grt by R.Stephenson, Hebburn for Warkworth Shipping Co., Newcastle. Sold 1923 as MARIANNE, 1930 as AINA, broken up 1932.
Sorry but haven't a photo on file here.

Does anyone know anything about a vessel called "Amy", operating around 1880, possibly owned by the captain Henry Bradley, a Master Mariner. I don't know if she was registered at Goole, but Henry was born at Selby (1840), and is listed as assistant harbour master at Goole in 1898.

There is an Amy listed but its a trawler built at Goole 1905
see goole shipbuilding link top right this page

To, David Lee- Jackson,
If you could arrange that for me I would be very grateful! Of course I would cover all costs! Since my last posting I have confirmed that Ernest William Woodhead was the master of 'Equity' and 'Gwynwood' before becoming a pilot.

Happy Easter to all out there.Many thanks George and Pedro for your help ref Cornhill.Don't worry about jumping in Pedro just make sure its the shallow end each time.

Happy Easter to all keep up the good work

AMY for Robin.

There is a record of this one in the list of Goole-registered vessels at the Waterways Museum ....

AMY a schooner built 1847 by Samuel Gutteridge, Selby.

9/1847 owned by Thomas Frank, Selby; William Bradley, Selby; John Hall, Selby; William Gutteridge, Hull.
9/1857 owned by Thomas Coltan, Selby; Thomas Atkinson, Selby; Joseph Atkinson, Selby.

Cancelled 5th August 1897 and converted into a lighter for Inland Navigation.

Has anybody any info on this, as my grandfather Herbert Page Webster (sonny) and Great Uncle Ernest Page Webster who was 2nd engineer was on this ship and possibly the ALT

I'm doing some research on my lineage and Ive found the my G,G,G,G,Great grandfather William Thompson of Knottingley purchased a Ship called the Providence in 1849-50 from a Goole shipbuilder and I was hoping to find some more information/pics on this aspect of my family history. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Mitch
California

Mitch ... following from records at our Waterways Museum at Goole, detailing vessels registered at Goole and listing their owners, at that period most vessels were jointly owned by several people.

"A William Thompson from Knottingley part owned a sloop called PROVIDENCE in 1850, built Whitby 1843, which was transferred to Cork 20 May 1851.

Then in 1852 a William Thompson of Wakefield is shown as part owner of another sloop called PROVIDENCE which was built in Agbriig 1852. This one was cancelled 1 Aug 1885 "sunk outside the Humber 14 years ago" "

"The same William Thompson of Knottingley also looks to have part owned Anvil, Eliza, Elizabeth, Mary, Mary Ann, Martin, Mary and Elizabeth, Queen, Reformation and WIlliam. (unless there is more than one William Thompson of Knottingley?)

William Thompson Junior of Goole owned Mildred"

Attention ANGELA TAYLOR
Angela, did you receive the Atkinson & Prickett info that I sent by e-mail?

Re Atkinson and Prickett (e.g. SS Yokefleet, SS Easingwold): The East Riding Image Archive has a photograph of one of the owners of Atkinson and Prickett, Edwin Atkinson, as a boy with his parents Thomas and Jane Atkinson, and siblings. Search for "Atkinson Goole" (or anything else that interests you) at http://www.eastriding.gov.uk/culture/museums/collections/index.php
Edwin is the elder of the two boys. He died in 1938. The younger boy, Thomas, became a Minister. Their sister Sarah Jane (behind Edwin) became a teacher at Alexandra Street School (see related photographs on the site) and later married a Duckels. Her son Shirley (sic) Duckels drowned as first mate on the Stranraer car ferry, which foundered off County Down in the terrible storm of February 1953. The other sister, Mary Anna Atkinson, was a well known Goole Methodist, and became the second wife of my great grandfather Tom Dunham at the age of 49.

mv humbergate and mv queensgate missing from your list both ships sunk humbergate of trevose head queensgate then polar light of the isle of man with all hands both built for hullgate shipping 59 61

Ron, sorry I've lost the thread, these Hull Gates ships are missing from which list?

Hello George
Yes I did get the info you sent me hope you received my e:mail of 24th April. Many thanks.
I dont suppose you have a list or know where to find the names of sailors who sailed out of Goole around the 1900s. A family called Tuke, a distant cousin of mine is trying to find one of our ancestors. Thanks
Angela

For Hamish sorry I thought you meant ships lost on the Ouse. Indeed it was the Irwell hard and dry at Trent wall end she was refloated and dry docked no damage found. Re George Cannon he was still at sea after all us cronies came ashore serving on the Abbey ships. I believe he ended up in a local factory prior to retiring.

Greetings Pedro! Yes Geo was at sea longer than me anyway, I quit in 1957, and came to Canada's west coast.My first trip back was in 1960 and I picked up our buddy Peter Olley in Leeds,(I lived in Leeds while at sea also)and took a trip to Goole for the day, market day(Thursday if I remember right)when the pubs stayed open nearly all day.We went looking for Geo, but on going to his house found that he had moved, but the people in the house told us his wife was working in the "sweet Shop" kitty corner to the clock tower, so we called there, she told us Geo was away deep sea and had been out for over six months then. And again in1967 I was over there and took a nostalgic trip to Goole, found Billy Guy, but Geo was still away deep sea (not the same trip as mentioned above)so yes he must have put a few years in. Shaking the memory tree again, do you remember a customs officer that was know by the affectionate name of "Himmler"

Hamish, market day Wednesday, pub opened 11am until 5pm then closed for an hour before reopening. That is unless the landlord was in a good mood for a lock in (certainly not Charlie at the Tavern) Jawohl remember herr Himmler well, some bad and good memories, he's still around enjoying retirement (wouldnt be fair to mention his real name Lol:)

Fond memories of the George pub. Once lent a guy 10/-, he was on leave from the army. I departed next day deep sea. Returned to Goole 2 years later. Walked into the pub. The landlady got a wineglass down from behind the bar covered in dust. Handed me a 10/- note saying this was left for you about 18 months ago. Happy days.

Greetings Pedro!
Wednesday, that is correct now I come to think about it, as one of the Railway boats I was on sailed on Wednesdays, every second week (must have been the "Don") and most of us had one Hell of a job making it if it was a late tide time!!Yes Hughie at "Melodies" would lock you in, and I agree it depended on how old Charlies arthritus was acting up whether he would speak to you or not. I left a pint behind the bar for Billy in the vermuden when I was over in 2004, the landlady said they had just reopened ,after being closed for a long while, but she said Billy came in quite often to play darts. Funny some one told me Her Himmler had been fired, but must have been wrong, said he had run afoul of the law smuggling of all things cheers H

Hamish Himmler was kommandant of rummage squad believe his kommander in chief Mr Whitefield awarded him with Senior Service(remember fags) iron cross. He certainly retired honorably I guess we all were to blame for his nickname as the war only ended some 5 years previously and I gave him a pair of leather jack boots remember these items were prolific in Hamburg in the 50s even the lanky boats skippers and mates wore the leather trench coats. Charlie (tavern) suffered with GOUT he lived next door to me after his retirement sadly went blind in the 80s before his demise. On a happier note His wife little mary is still going strong at the grand old age of 95yrs saw her today with her shopping trolley on the town service bus I helped her aboard we often remenice about the good old days she still visits her daughter in Edinburgh taking the national express bus unaccompanied.
Keep smiling we goolies do

If my memory serves me right the rummager caught playing naughty was one of the Hull squad.Probably the one who's favourite trick was to shove a wire rod down the sink drain then wipe it on cotton waste before sticking it in the marmalade tin on the messroom table yuk

Another shake of the tree Pedro. Do you remember the two guys in the Poole office? One older and very business-like, quite severe really; and the other a heavy young guy, who was the older man's "Gofor".

I remember waiting untill the old guy wen't out to lunch before going in to find out about a ship as at least you could "bargain ' with the young guy,the old guy would stand no guff, he was the one who gave me the "Ivybank" said it was a short trip to the States, I didn't see goole again for two years, after about sixteen trips on the phosphate run from Nauru and Ocean Island to OZ and NZ

Hamish shipping federation was run by Mr Shay conned many seamen into boarding some old tub.Dunno if he earned his sleeve rings tho.The fat guy was Smith never earned his stripes nearest they got to a ship was looking thro the window to Victoria lock.Jock McCauley was your seamens union Rep next door.Then into the Peacock Hotel at the end East Parade for a pint.Jock at least was an old salt.Sadly all crossed the bar now.One xmas jock had his bagpipes playing in the Royal Hotel Aire St he had the chanter under the table while I was inflating the bag under my arm Alec Grant still this day thinks I play the pipes LOL.

Hey Pedro you sure hit a nerve when you mention the PIPES, I have four daughters who are all accomplished pipers, my oldest daughter was over in Scotland with the" Vancouver Ladies pipe band"in 1990 and got a third place in grade three,My twin daughters won the world championship in 1999 with the "Robert Malcome Memorial Pipe Band"in the juvenile division, and my second oldest Daughter is currently playing with the 78th Frazer Highlanders, who compete every year in grade one at Glasgow green,(along with her husband, who also competes at Oban and Inverness) We try to follow when funds allow, thats when Dad gets to run around and look up old shipmates etc. I remember old "Jock' as a person to avoid as he was always after money to get the book stamped, and if the book was not up to date you had to talk real sweet to"Jock"or you could not join the next ship, times were tough!! I was aware Charlie had Gout, I am afflicted with the same malady, so I know now why he was so miserable(at times)it hurts like H... but with a couple of pills one can keep it in control. Were you ever on BTC ships ? I was on the "Splendour" and the "Reliance" sent by our friends to Falmouth and the Isle of grain

Hamish I was not on BTC got my Abadan blues(courtesy of Shay)On the Lumen one of Moss tankers. Sailed also with John Holts.West Africa and Royal mail to South America.I remember Mr Shay thinking he conned me sent me to Wallsend on Tyne to Join the Dartwood one of WF Fenwick.she turned out to be brand new about 15000 ton Running Quebec - Montreal with newsprint for Bowaters on the Thames one of the best berths I ever had. I note you lived in Leeds only ABs I sailed with from there out of Goole were Harry Bray (Gordon ? his mate ginger hair)name escapes me.And George Wright a Dorys man..
Happy memories of Vancouver tho 2004 spent an Idyllic 2 weeks in a log cabin at Halfmoon Bay.(got family in Seattle) Recently returned to Goole after 10yrs in South America missing the sun drying out these old bones LOL .
PS H bray married a barmaid of Hughies at Melodys.sadly another one who crossed the bar whilst I was away.

message for George or Pedro
can you shed any light on Alexander Ramsey he was a pilot out of Goole upto the late 50s. early 60s he lived in Carter St and later Richard Cooper St was living RC st until he died in 1970

Pedro! The only AB's I sailed with out of Leeds were,Peter Olley(also a good friend of Geo Cannon) Aurther Mason, and Jimmy Cooper(who quit the sea to drive a bus in Leeds)and I have found a couple more but never met or sailed with them, Malcolm Kay, and Jimmy Dobbs(Dobie?)South America, was there twice both times with BTC Eva Peron on the Splendour and Monti" on the Reliance, I found it to be quite a scary placenever saw such well armed police in my life!!Even carried sabres.Honey moon Bay is a great spot ,hope you took your fishing rod , my wife used to live in Duncan not too far away, but we don't go over there very much anymore ,as the guy in the little box demanding money scares me , it is a hundred bucks (give or take a few)each way now on the ferry, my sister lives over there in Cambell River ,and she don't get off the island very much at all. Got to Seattle quite a lot when the kids were still at home, we had quite a few piping gigs down there ,with a great highland games at puyallup(?)there are no one more Scottish than the Americans if they think they have Sottish blood!!We also got down to Portland and Santa Rosa quite a lot too with the bands. All this has nothing to do with ships?Do you or did you ever run into a Pilot namd Tute, he was mate on the "Blyth" when I was on her, a great guy, and would like to hear how he made out, should be retired ny now?

Hamish,
Dennis Tute was a Goole pilot working from Hull to Goole at the same time as my Dad. I can remember him and my father being friends as well as colleagues. My Dad retired due to ill health in the mid 70's he was I suppose about 10/15 years or so older than Dennis who was still working at that time , I guess he will now be over 70
He will be long retired and I thought I had heard that he had died but I'm not sure of that.
My Mum who is 89 only vaguely remembers him, but she will try to find out more.

Angela/ Alex Ramsey rings no bells with me Im afraid. but I went to sea in 1952 until 1961.Left R Cooper St in 1953 no pilots in this street during these dates.after the 60s the only river pilot I knew was W Cawthorn taking ships up to Selby alas he died 3yrs ago. Not to say there could have been a retired pilot living in the area in the 70s but Idoubt it.

Thanks for the info Geoff, I think I made a mistake on the ship I was on with"Mr Tute"(us AB's could not refer to him as Dennis lol)If memory serves me it was the "Aire"back in 1956, with Captain Collier in command, happy little ship but the company policy left a lot to be desired, Glad to hear he did make the dizzy heights of Goole pilot, as it seemed to be his goal in life

Hamish, Captain Collier was also skipper of the Marlwood, my father was mate (& relief skipper). My Dad had his foreign master ticket and became a pilot about 1951 or 2.

Geoff/Hamish Methinks Tom Collier was skipper on the Marlwood
But believe Hamish is refering to Jack Collier commandore of the lanky boats. Had a pint in Goole today with an old ship mate who was an officer on lankies and Abbey ships.he confirmed Dennis Tute died in Hull his home town a few years ago.

Pedro you are right re Tom Collier

Thanks for the info guys, it just goes to show you only the good die young, Dennis Tute was a Gentlemans Gentleman, a real nice person, and a pleasure to sail with. Yes it was Jack Collier I was refering to, he was another good man, very fair and straight, he must be long gone now too, George Cannon was his fair haired boy, it seemed he could do no wrong in Cap't Colliers Eyes

GOOLE SHIPOWNERS

Have made progress in entering Goole fleets into my Riversea website.

The Railway Fleets inc. companies absorbed into them are on

http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/hill/aashiplist.htm

and I have made a start with private owners, just Bennett up to now under

http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/hill/abshiplist.htm

If anyone can provide more photos or info I will be pleased to update accordingly.

Great pictures George, but I was sad to see the demise of one of my old ships, The"Aire"sure are great photos thanks. What was the outome of the inquiery , anyone Know? Who was deemed at fault etc, would be interested to know what the cause was

Nice one George interesting to see the old Solwith Force remember them blowing her down (not up) in the 40s boy did our windows rattle in Goole.Also remember the Kodumma her demise around 1942 methinks.

Does anybody have any memories of my granddad John William Henry Worswick (also known as Buzz)? He was a Goole Docks Pilot working for Druries(?) Stevedores in the 50's and 60's

My father George Jennings sailed on the Melrose Abbey as a convoy ship to North Africa. Also on the Hull - Rotterdam run after the war. he also had the licence for the Commercial Hotel Castle Street Hull. If any one can tell me anything about hi I would be pleased to hear.
thank you
Margaret

To George Robinson.
Many thanks for the information on "Amy". I have not yet been able to discover how William Bradley ties up with Henry Bradley, but the connection with the Bradley family and Selby means it is almost certainly the right vessel.

George,Pedro,
I have in front of me a seamans discharge certificate,it is dated 29/09/1895.The seaman being infact my g/father Joseph Lea.The ship was the Coimbatore,captained by David Jones .and the port of discharge was Antwerp having come from Hamburg. It may be of interest to note that my g/f went to sea at 12 years and a bit, his first ship being the Coinbatore,in addition to this my g/mother Mary Jane Lig(they were to marry at Airmyn in 1900)was a governess in Hamburg at the time.Romantic that I am I can't help but feel there must be a connection.
However George,what I'd like to know is do you have a photo or any information on the Coinbatore.
Regards,
David L-J.

Believe it is Jack Collier's son who went to school with me - and still lives locally.

David cant find much on the vessel Coinbatore but you're not alone in your search as Dr Barbara Spilchuck has her great grandad John Hannnan(or Hannen) as Sailmaker-bosun on the merchantship Coinbatore sailing to India in 1800s (i found this info on google search incidently)

COIMBATORE
Found her via Lloyds Register 1905

Built in 1865 by Barclay, Curle & Co., Glasgow.
1205grt, 215.8 feet x 35.1 feet, an iron-hulled barque built for W.Rome.
In 1905 she was owned by M.Olsen of Porsgrunn, Norway.

GOOLE SHIPOWNERS

Have made more progress in entering private Goole fleets into my Riversea website.

Bennett, Buck and Calvert up to now under

http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/hill/abshiplist.htm

has anyone got any info/photos of a crane barge known as "Grab Dredger no.1." she was known to have worked on the Ouse and the Aire & Calder and maybe the River Trent. she is 54ft x 14ft beam, built of riveted iron. she is known to have been moored at Goole for the last 12 years, probably a lot longer. her sister ship is believed to be moored at Naburn lock nr York. I am seeking anything relevent to the above vessel with particular interest as to where she was built and when, though anything would be gratefully received.

Jinty ... GRAB DREDGER No.1

The nearest I can find is one built by Warren at New Holland in 1936 under the name R.O.(Y) C.B. DREDGER No1 and renamed in 1952 to Y.O.R.B.DREDGER No.1 of the Yorkshire Ouse River Board, I don't remember seeing this craft anywhere in recent years though. She was diesel and re-engined at some point.

The grab dredger I remember from my childhood was named the Nautilus I believe this one was owned at the time by G.D. Holmes the barge company.She would dredge sand from the river directly into barges.I understood this sand was then transported up the canal and used in moulds at the iron and steel foundrys.

re- grab dredger no 1. thanks to the gents who have given info on the above vessel. as i am trying to research the boats full history, any further snippets of info would be welcome.

I myself only remember the Nautilus a steel riveted pontoon type with crane mounted in the centre using a single grab.Idont think she had her own engine power, The other more modern bucket type was named the GOOLE BIGHT she was fully crewed captain was a Mr Devenish with a galley engine room etc all mod cons.I believe she was eventually sold and ended up working around the Solent.

GOOLE BIGHT was sold and worked for a while at the marina at Hartlepool but was bought back by Humber Workboats of Killingholme and very much modernised and renamed ABIGAIL H, she does general contract work around the UK, still going strong for a 1958 built vessel.

Nice to hear the Goole Bight/Abigail H is still in Commission I remember the barges and tankers ending in H belonging to Harkers of Knottingley is this the case with Abigail H George?

ABIGAIL H .... no Pedro, no connection to Harker, just a coincidence of naming, she is with Humber workboats.

You have been a great help to me in the past, but I have a bit of a tough question for you now.
My cousin has a photo of a sailor, and on his cap are the letters HMS VIV there is another letter which is hidden. He thinks it is a mine sweeper from the first world war. Any ideas of the ships full name would be much appreciated.
Diana.

Diana, the nearest I can find for WW1 are the two destroyers VIVIEN and VIVACIOUS, both completed in 1917/1918 by Yarrow on the Clyde, 312 feet long and 1300 tons displacement. Some of this class were rigged for minelaying.

Many Thanks for your quick reply George, have forwarded it on to my cousin.
Very grateful for your help, once more,
Regards, Diana.

I have a model of the ss Alt and a series of photographs of the ss Aire after she had been run aground after a collision in the 1950s. These were previously owned by my grandfather Fred Barrow who was the manager of AHL in the 1950s.
When I was a child he showed me the scars on tree trunks in Saltmarshe Park where the ship had been chained to prevent it drifting into the channel. Last time I went there (a few years ago) some of the trees were still there. They are at the far end of the park near the river boundary.

Does anyone know how I could find information on a ship that was apparently not registered? I don't have any info other than that it was "The Prividence" 150 tons, sailed from Newcastle 1774 to Halifax, N.S. 10 crew, 71 passengers. Or a picture of a similar ship and description of ship.
Thank You, Ana

For Ana I guess your refering to the Providence left Newcastle on Tyne arrived in Halifax N.S on june the 1st 1774.Info on the vessel is very scant but bearing in mind this is the era of John Paul Jones sailing into history.My guess would be she was a small sailing barque.Unless you havent already done so check Nova Scotia bound on Google search for list of passengers names.

To Pedro. Came across your Email concerning the "Brook" boats Comben Longstaff. I sailed in the Lancaster brook around 1950 at the same time that the Londonbrook sank when she missedthe swing and finished almost blocking th lock gates Captain Lawson was skipper, "Monty" was mate,John was boson The Chief Eng lived in Poole. He kept a pub on the dockside by the power station Happy days !!

To Ted I was on her in 1952 Monty Rhodes was mate Capt Lawson was a gent. Lofty Linnington was bosun he originated from Shoreham area and was lost in goole docks around the 60s while working as a boatman.The engineer I remember was called Wilson from Goole.Roy Hudson from Goole was cook steward.The lancasterbrook was one of the easier ships at the time having steel hatches unlike the others with wooden hatch boards.I was recently in Ipswich met a guy in a pub who knew Capt Lawson and was invited on a trip to Goole he asked if I could get him a photo of her but cant find one I asked George if he can help with this.Happy days

I got pic of Lancasterbrook courtesy of George at Riversea
many thanks.

Hello Pedro.Pleasedtp see your signal There must have been some changes after I left her (Lancaster brook) That was some of the crew as I remember them And by the waya chap called Les Depledge was cook aboard That name seems to crop up a
lot in your messages I recently got a picture of the "Lancasterbrook" but it did'nt seem to be the ship I remember I have a snap so it was easy to compare I willsee if I can find one or two So what happened to the orginal one Was she sold on I remember the steel hatches OK I agree with you Captain Lawson was a gentleman

Hi Ted yes there was a second ship built in the 70s.The old girl built 1948 was sold and renamed in 1962 Loch Etive again in 68 she became the Fair Lady in 69 named Elengo and yet again in 69 the greeks named her Fanaromeni her demise eventually broken up in Piraeus 1970.Incidentally I joined her again as bosun in 1960 unfortunately on discharging dried fruit from North Africa in London docks I trapped my thumb (amputated) in those same Hatches.Happy Days (sometimes):)

Hello shipmate Sorry to hear about your bad luck with the thumb You've got good reason to remember the steel hatches and thanks for the information regarding the "old" Lancasterbrook. I was curious about the different photos and there was no one to ask until, that is until I stumbled on Goole on the Web. Was the Les Depledge that I mentioned any connection with the ones that you mention in some of your signals? Give me some time and I will see if I can find some old photos of the old Lancasterbrook. Very pleased to have made contact with you.

Be in touch later. I am going to sit back now and soak up a few memories Happy happy days

Who is Les Depledge???, I am not currently aware of a Les and he does not feature in my tree. The Depledges were all seafarers originally from Knottingley who moved to Goole, as far as I can find all of the Goole Depledges are/were related..
My brother and I had a scale model of the Lancasterbrook which was made by the Captain and given to my Dad for us. It was driven by a battery motor housed in the hold. Unfortunately play and time had its effect and it too eventually went to the scrapyard.

Depledges I sailed with George and his brother Jack both ABs.Iseem to think there was a third brother but cant recall his name.Jack had 2 children Eric and Margaret,Eric never went to sea.George I cant recall his kids But I know they had 2 sisters one married a Collins .R.who went to sea and the other Depledge sister married a Thompson who was Donkeyman on the Lanky boats. Both george and Jack on leaving the MN were employed as Riggers in the late 50s on the newly built power stations in the area(as did most of us ex seamen)

Pedro
thanks for the info, our family rather lost touch and I know little of the Depledges born in the 1900's other than my Dad's immediate family.
But the info ties in with my limited knowledge, George married a Nora Firth but I only know of one daughter a Susan.
George & Jack were from a family of 10 children.
Jack married a May ? I only have Eric & Margaret as his kids
I have now also found Les (Leslie) he was a cousin of George & Jack.
Anymore info would be appreciated

Geoff Re- Depledge Eric son of Jack married Thelma Vines Iwas talking to him last week hes recently retired has rather a large family.Margaret married Alan Snead 3 children Jack passed away some 10years ago he out lived his wife must have been in his 80s on his demise.Son Eric is 70yrs old margaret daughter a year older. I havent seen George for some 12 years or so but know he left Goole and retired to Snaith will ask Eric when I next see him if hes still around.

i was on the wheel of s.s.aire when were hit at saltmarsh bight by the m.v. helene b schupp she was put at seventy five percent blame and the aire twenty five percent .i still have my statement i gave to the london inquiry

i was on the wheel of the Aire when it was in collision with the M.V Helene B Schupp .just inside the woods there used to be a brass plate saying that a mooring rope from the AIRE was tied to that tree. we where carrying a cargo of silver sand and carpets the collision happend just before midnight on the 5 October 1958.one person was lost an assistant steward who was trapped in his cabin

Pedro thanks for further info can you give Eric my e-mail address he may be interested in the family tree. Geoff

geoff will do next time I come across him

I was on the wheel at the time of the collision with the Helene B Schupp, It happened just before midnight. Captain Collier,the mate H.V.Richardson, and myself went to London for the enquiry about eighteen months later. The Helene was put at seventy five percent of the blame for the collision and the Aire twenty five percent

I am pleased to see that this List has become very active since I posted my first enquiry about the Marlwood (the second ship of that name). I wonder if any of the newcomers remember my dad - Joe Stewart -who was ship's cook on that vessell in the early 50's. I was also interested in Pedro's recent comment that many ex MN men became Riggers in the local power stations, This was also my dad's experience. Regards to all. Bill

Thank you Pedro for the help re: The Providence. Ana

EAST YORKSHIRE S.S. COMPANY (A. MEEK & SONS)

This fleet now added to my archive site at

http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/hill/abshiplist.htm

Has anyone any information about My Great Grandfather.Joseph Oldridge and his family.He and his wife Emily ( who died at 55 )had at least 10 Children,7 of them Sons.They all seem to have worked on the River in one capacity or another.One Son,George drowned in 1906.aged 17.Old Photo's if anyone has any,would be appreciated,as my Mother always said that I resemble that side of the family.? Red Hair was a common factor.

Thanks

Janet Wheal.

Mark Campbell, a master mariner of Brotherton (referred to above) was my great great grandfather. In the 1881 census, he was the master of the Billly Boy "Village Flower" in which he owned shares. On board were two crew members, his son Mark (mate and bargeman) and Thomas Wilson, a seaman of Leeds and his wife Mary (nee Sykes) with four of children. In the 1861 census for Howden, Mark was master of the "Alice" coasting off Goole. He had two mates and his then new wife Mary, plus two of the children from his first marriage to Mary Anne Eastwood, on board. Two older children were boarding with the Sykes family in Brotherton. Does anyone have any further information about Mark or the Eastwood family. In the 1851 census, Mary Anne's father Charles Eastwood was the inn keeper of the Jolly Saylor Inn in Brotherton. I would love to obtain photos if possible. I intend visiting the area next year so would welcome any advice about what to see or where to go etc.
Margaret Gill, South Fremantle. West Australia

does any one remeber don may was asst cook ss.rother
in 1946 and is he still about i heard he married a danish lady
i was mess room boy on the rother

I think that Margaret would find the Brotherton web page interesting and also the very large database of Brotherton families.You can access it by typing Townsley family into Google.There is also a section on Brotherton mariners and watermen. Though I haven't looked for them specifically I feel sure that the Eastwood family have a place. I too have Eastwoods in my family tree.

Thanks for your suggestions Christine. I am familiar with the Brotherton site and yes, the Campbells and Eastwoods are on it. I guess I am hoping for the impossible. As I am now trying to write up my tree, I am looking for any personal bits or photos to spice it up a bit. I have found out about the Village Flower but not much about the ALice. Anyhow I am looking forward to 'walking the same streets' next year and maybe taking a sail from Goole to Brotherton as Mark Campbell did. Don't think I will sail from there to London though. Times must have been hard at sea, particularly with family on board.

I sailed with Don May Asst cook to Arthur Redfern on the Alt in 1952 Meethinks he eventually moved to Copenhagen around the 60s

Greetings Pedro! Any news of George Cannon or Billy Guy yet?take care H

Folks
Can you help with some information on the SS. Ralph Creyke.
I have a remembrance card for Capt John Ellwood. (husband of Jane Ellwood of Goole) who perished at sea near Lundy Island on the foundering of the above ship on Feb 20th 1879 (age 41).
There is also a mention of the Ralph Creyke in port at Hull in 1881.
Is this the same ship or a second with the same name.
Can anybody help with more information on the ship or Capt.
I believe he lived in Hook.
Thanks

Sounds like the vessel in Hull was the second ship. There's some basic info at http://www.goole-on-the-web.org.uk/main.php?key=722 and http://www.goole-on-the-web.org.uk/main.php?key=723 but other contributors may be able to help.

Hi Pedro,
Did you locate anything photo's etc of the SS Rye2,
My appologies for not contacting you before.
frank.gray2@ntlworld.com
Kindest Regards
F.GRAY

Hi Hamish Im told George doesnt get to town often since he retired to the country area.Billy I understand has been unwell of late and been absent from the working mans club.But I will pass on your regards as soon as poss

For Frank I sent the pics please let me know if you recieved ok

im looking for info, poss photo,of the tug cinema star, built in 1884 as goole no 5,
thanks paul.

Hello Pedro,
Thanks for the photo's, I have sent you an e/mail.

Regards,
F.Gray

can any one help find an Elizabeth Cuckwell spinster of Goole who gave birth in sculcoates in 1829? We think she is the mother of John Dales Caukwell but not sure.....In Goole at about this time was a family of Cawkwell who were mariners. Have no idea on what sort of boat. It would be nice to rule them out or confirm that they are my ancesters. When John married he said his father was a wine mercant and the only one we have found is John Dailes of Goole.

GOOLE NO.5 /CINEMA STAR

Paul, e-mail me and I can send photo and details, I remember her (just) in her last days at Sunderland

shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk

George

Enquiries re RALPH CREYKE and RYE (each on two ships), details and some photos can be seen on my Goole Railway Fleets page on

http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/hill/aashiplist.htm

Look under Goole SS and L&Y fleets.

George

For Info REMEMBER GOOLE SEAMEN LOST.Goole and District Mariners Association Memorial service will take place at the Seamans Memorial Gardens on the Lock Hill Hook Rd on Sunday Sept 2nd at 1pm this year.This year among those remembered are the crew of the SS Burma lost Fri July 23 1916 and the SS Turret Hill lost Wed May13 1914.And of course all the seamen who sailed from this port and did not return.The Association would be pleased to meet relatives of any of the seamen on this day.

I am trying to find my dad harold arthur scott who was steward merchant navy the ship was a p o line called the aronsa I think
or one close to that name , he was born in 1899 in rochester kent on 6 november working on the ship from 1948 -1965 . I have been trying to work on my family tree, but i just can't find my dad. you are my hope, his mates would call him scotty as they did me along time ago
ps I think those liners went to australia
pss If you can't find him can you give a www. that i can try please thank you so much bye

For Jocelyn

I am guessing your father might have been on ORONSAY which was an Orient Line passenger liner in the Australian trade, later it became part of P&O so that ties in with your details. ORONSAY was built in 1951 and scrapped in 1975 so its the right period.
Use this link, go down the page to ORONSAY and you will see a list of crew members who have supplied e-mail addresses, pick some who are stewards/catering in the relevant period and good luck, you should find someone who worked with your dad!

http://www.merchant-navy.net/O4.html

ORONSAY

p.s., photos of the ship on

http://www.merchant-navy.net/Pictures/oronsay.html

I have just come across the forum where various people have posted information of local ships and seamen. Some recall the Lancasterbrook and Les Depledge

I am the son of Leslie Depledge who was the cook/steward on the "Lancasterbrook" His first ship was the Airmyn that he joined on the 9th August 1922. Subsquently he sailed on the Weltondale, Cyrille Danneels, Sparta,Gwynwood, Blacktoft, Whitetoft, then onto the Sanfry that became the Yorkbrook and finnally the Lancasterbrook. The Goole Times has, through the Mike Marsh series, recalled the wartime exploits of the Sanfry.

My father retired from the sea in 1951 joining the British Waterways Top Yard. My first record of the Depledge family career at sea starts in 1830 and has been covered by Geoff Depledge in his earlier posting on this site. My maternal family was called Coates. They too have many seaman in the family and connected to goole ships.

Regards John Depledge

Can any of you ex-mariners answer me a question please? When a ship "ports her helm" does she steer toward starboard or port?

Peter, I'm not a mariner but I know that in the 1800's and certainly at time of TITANIC's loss in 1912, a port-helm order resulted in the rudder and ship going to starboard ... presumably due to the way the wheel was linked to the rudder mechanism. TITANIC was deduced to have gone to port to try to avoid the iceberg on her starboard bow, then to starboard (port helm order) to try to swing the stern clear of it.

To John Depledge
Nice to see you've picked up on this article John. I was wondering if it was your father.

Rgds
Paul

I read an interesting article on the Titanic stating she could have been saved simply by going full astern and hitting the ice head on she would have damaged the bow section and flooded forward one compartment.But never the less stayed afloat until help arrived.But the order hard aport resulted in tearing open her hull causing the damage sustained.(the rest is history)I personally sailed on many ships as quartermaster (helmsman) older than the Titanic including the old lanky boats out of Goole.Putting the wheel to port resulted in the ship coming to port (left) Starboard (right).

Thanks for those answers. I'm sure the order to 'port the helm' means that the ship steers to starboard simply because a report on an accident I was reading about makes absolutely no sense whatsoever unless it does! Maybe it's because as the ships bows move to starboard, the helm position would appear relatively to move to the port. When they say 'hard a starboard' that definitely means go to starboard and quick. There's no wonder the Titanic sank- it's very confusing!

TITANIC

This article confirms ...

http://titanic.marconigraph.com/grounding2.html

This may be not in your area but I would be grateful if you could tell me if you have any information about a firm established in Goole in 20C Webster & Bickerton (they are shown as a small shipowner in a Genuki list) My grandfather, Harry Moriis Bickerton ran a shop in Goole while his brother George ran a brass foundry, or so the famile stories go. I don't fully understand the possible connection between the foundry and shipowning.
Most grateful for any info. Thank you very much.
Greville Bickerton - grevbickerton@yahoo.co.uk

To George Robinson. Thank you for your email and giving me the right spelling of the Oronsay of the P&O line ship, I'm not sure if that was the right ship, can you give a list of the P&O
ships please, it's a long time ago, I was seventeen at the time.
I'll check that web site again that you gave me could have made a mistake yes like that I don't know how i did that ,I guess an old dear of 77 yr and just learning can't be bad.
anyway I'll let you know how i get on . bye bye and thanks

for Jocelyn suggest you follow the link George supplied to the MN site ask if anyone remembers him on P.O and provide dates.PandO had many ships to name a few of the O class Orient-Orsova-Oriana-Orcades-Orion-Oronsay-Orontes-Oriental

To George Robinson
Yes that very much confirms it - to port the helm means the ship turns to the right. Thanks for finding that Titanic article.
Peter Scott

Port helm.

Appparently it goes all the way back to when ships were steered by a tiller on the rudder, of course if you push a tiller to port then the boat goes to starboard. So when ships wheels were first connected to rudders they kept the same arrangement via the chain or hydraulic linkage. Although Pedro refers to some of his old ships having the current opposite arrangement, I have also heard from people at sea post-war in old Scottish coasters dating from pre-1920 which still had "port-helm starboard rudder". It seems the change was made from around 1920 onwards.
Good job that mariners did not invent motor cars, perhaps!!

Its called direct steering the connections from the wheel connect to a quadrant on the poop deck which in turn connect to the rudder.I was on the Irwell built before the titanic we didnt have this but on the poop deck was a second wheel for emergency use which would have been direct and worked the opposite way.Surprised a ship of the Titanics stature just had the old system (maybe cutting costs)She would certainley have been hard to steer i/e putting her hard over in an emergency.

Here's one for Pedro and George,
On my many trips round the docks with my G/Father I remember being shown an old hulk tied up,I don't allude to the "fairies".It was infact the Archibald Russell.I have seen pictures of her in full sail but what was she doing in Goole and what became of her.

Regards,
David L-J
PS.I hope the service on Sept:2nd is well attended.I regret that distance and age related problems mean that I cannot be there.

David she was a four masted barque built 1905 at Greenock.Taken as prize during the war used by the ministry of food as a store ship at Goole.Ibelieve she was returned to her owners around 1948 and scrapped in 1949.She was quite an attraction during the war years I used to see her in west dock on my way to school.

Ellwood, John, and Ralph Creyke. Capt. E (and his widow and family) lived in Marshfield Road. I have some researched details of their lives there, sparse though. Should be pleased to send what there is if you contact me care of website.

Peter, Sailing as a complete amateur with my Dad on the Humber, I learned that one pushed the rudder the opposite way to the action required!

Hi Pedro, Did you notice on the Rye crew list there was no ships cook, in my file It mentions that the Rye had passsenger cabins, they might have stopped carrying passengers owing to the war. I can't recall my mother saying they had to provide there own food and blankets etc, which would have been a bit tricky owing to the rationing especially if you where a family man.
Regards F.Gray

Have just found this site whilst researching SS Paradox. Back in October 2006 Valerie of Cumbria was asking if anyone knew anything about the captain or crew.
Amongst papers belonging to my grandfather Reginald Arblaster I have found a discharge certificate showing he acted as purser in 1899. he was not a merchant seaman, but worked for a firm in Birmingham exporting tools. In later life this meant he travelled a great deal. Referring to this a newspaper obituary of him mentioned that his travels began when, as a young man, he would spend his annual holiday working on steamships. Either the holidays were unusually long for those days or the voyages were short.
I will dig out the papers again and see who signed the discharge certificate.

Hi Frank no great mystery of missing cook on the Rye.The steward would have been cook/steward he would see to the officers.Passenger service cancelled obviously because of the war as most passengers were travelling to the continent as with the railway boats in the second war.Rationing was in force but merchant seamen recieved extra rations.Even in my days late 1940s we had the option of cooking for ourselves i/e taking our own food but the cook would see to it(never eaten bacon eggs since) I soon opted for them stopping me a couple of pounds a week and recieving 3 meals a day. After leaving a ship my mother was grateful for my seamans ration book and claim the extra coupons.Some of the crew still had their own donkeys breakfast(straw paliasse)Matress up to 1950 when we were provided with foam dunlopillo.Ah Happy days.

Hi Pedro, Thanks for the answer.
I thought about a cook/steward, then thought if he had to look after the officers cabins and cook for the crew as well, it would be a bit of a tall order. Then when leaving and returning to your ship humping food, blankets and your clobber in the packed trains of those days would be a bit of a bind.
Regards,
Frank

Frank yes it was hard times indeed.Even in my days but the N.U.S National Union of Seamen instigated major changes to shipping companys.I remember joining an old coasting vessel in 1950 with old wartime matresses still on board unfortunately we had an outbreak of impetigo (scabies) all the bedding was took ashore and burned on the Quayside (in this case Plymouth).In return we recieved the newones plus sheets-blankets-pillows etc much to the annoyance of the shipowners.

Following up my comment of yesterday, I see that the discharge certificate (1901 and not 1899 as I stated) is in respect of a SS Paradox registered in London no 89637 but with a registered tonnage of 365, so it sounds more like the one referred to by George Robinson in his message of 16/9/06 than the one referred to in his message of 19/9/06. The master's name is Brown - can't read the initial but it may be W - and the 1st Mate's name is D.Thomas. Does this help anybody or does it merely confuse the issue?

Hello,

This page came up on Google as a hit for SS Easingwold. We have inherited a painting of this vessel (by E Roberts) and I am trying to find out as much information about it as I can.

The portcities.hartlepool.gov.uk website has some info
"Easingwold built for London & Northern S.S. Company Limited. Launched in 1898, she was a steel steam ship with a tonnage of 3166.86 and engines built by Central Marine Engine Works.
Creator: William Gray and Company
Date: launched 21st June 1898 "

Does anyone know any further information?

Many thanks.

Hi David your Easingwold-renamed Angele Mabro went missing on the 3-7-1940 on passage from Bilbao to Cardiff.
a local company here in Goole Atkinson and Pricket had a ship with the same name but she was only 994 tons built by Osbourne Graham at North Hylton renamed the Stanwold she went missing on the 27-2-1941 off Selsey Bill (cause unknown)

To back up the history of EASINGWOLD ...

1898, 3107grt

Wm. Gray, West Hartlepool (yard no.560) for London & Northern Steamship Co. (Pyman Brothers)

1916 D. P. Barnett, Cardiff

1916 Italian Export Shipping Co. (D.P.Barnett)

1917 P.L.M. 10, Soc. Nationale d'Affrêtements

1926 ANGELE MABRO, G. & T. Mabro, Alexandria

Sailed from Bilbao for Cardiff with iron ore on 7/7/1940, missing

I have a photo on file, e-mail me and will send a copy to compare with your painting
shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk

PARADOX for Andrew Brooke

No, ON89637 was the PARADOX built in 1883 and under this name to 1904, as in my message 19 September.

See
http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/list?IDNo=1089637&search_op=OR

Does anyone please have anymore information about my Grandparents to help me with my family history research ? My G G Grandfather George Jackson was born in Mirfield, West Yorkshire in 1812, and married Ann (Nancy) Richardson. His children were Allan, Hannah, Alfred, George, Mary, John and Sam. His Father was a Samuel Jackson, but not sure which one. George came to Goole about 1840 to represent the firm of Jackson and Sons, to whom i think he was related, who were canal carriers and salt merchants. They also owned tugs, and were one of the first tug owners running out of Goole. Later, when they relinquished the tug branch, George, along with a Mr. Pilling of Manchester, bought the boats and formed what was to become The Goole and Hull Steam Towing Company Limited. Mr. Pilling became the Chairman and George was on the board of directors. I have lists of some of the companies boats. There was a tug named the George Jackson and an S S Knowle Grove, which is the name of a street in Mirfield. George was also a director of The Goole Ropery and Ship Chandlery Company Limited. He died June 1888 aged 77. Another G G Grandfather was Abraham Sutcliff, who came to Goole from Leeds in the 1840,s to open a brickyard for the Aire and Calder Navigation. He married Sarah Ann and his children were John, Tom and Joseph. Later he kept the Sydney Tap in George St. and a few years later became the licencee of the Crown Inn in Ouse St. His son, my G Grandfather, was John Sutcliff who died in 1927 aged 80. He was Goole,s oldest licencee, having been at the Crown, Ouse St. for 27 years up to his death. He was a sailmaker by occupation and served his apprenticeship to the sea on the Babthorpe, a Goole vessel trading in the Mediterranean and S. America. He took over the Crown when his Father died. For 50 years he was an ardent member of the Oddfellows, and during that period held every office. He married Annie Elizabeth. His children were Francis Edward, John, Maria, Abraham and Adelaide. If there is anyone who has anymore information, about anything, I would be very happy to hear from them.

For Tony.

Interested to see your story of the founders of the Goole & Hull Steam Towing Co., I have what I believe to be a full fleet list plus photos of many vessels from local sources. Hope to get them onto my website some day.

As far as the early vessels pre-GHST are concerned, I have three on file, all seem to be named from your family

ALICE JACKSON, built 1855, 481grt by Richardson, Duck & Co. at Thornaby on Tees. Too big for a tug so probably a steam coaster. Owners Jackson & Co.

UNCLE SAM, paddle tug, built 1861 at South Shields, owned by Jackson & Pilling, from Goole to Hull register in 4/1890 presumably on sale.

GEORGE JACKSON, paddle tug, 1866 at South Shields, owned by James Pilling, to North Shields as EXPERT in 12/1874.

If you have MS Works I might be able to copy a database to you, e-mail me on
shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk

Can anyone help me please to find my father Harold Arthur Scott, born either in 1899 or 1900 november 6 in Rochester,
kent. I would love to know what happened to my father after
he left us in 1947, when my mother died in 1971 on her death
certificate it said wife or widow of harold arthur Scott (retired)
Father loved the ships and i know he worked on ships early in
his life, He could have worked on any of the P&O Liners, I did
hear it might be Oronsay or Orion. I loved my Father and just
want to know what happened to him . there was talk of him
in Australia ? thanking you from jocelyn williamson

WE ARE DESPERATE FOR INFORMATION ON THE SS.
GRIPFAST AND PHOTOS, RESEARCHING ON BEHALF OF A GENT, THAT SAILED ON HER LAST VOYAGE WITH HIS FATHER, HE NEVER SAW HIS DAD AGAIN, HE IS NOW IN HIS 80'S AND IS NOT COMPUTER LITERATE. ANY ASSISTANCE WOULD BE WELCOMED BY HIM. K.

KEITH @ TREGENNA LOOK US UP AT www.ss-tregenna.co.uk
reply to hernamewas.ss@tiscali.co.uk all info sought, please.

Her Name Was Tregenna is a site created as a tribute to the Captain and men of one particular ship, though it now carries additional material. We endeavour to aid all in finding the info they need, in this case we need your help. K.

iN REPLY TO: Posted by Diana Price at 09/09/2006 22:16
My father was lost on the SS EMPIRE OAK August 1941. On the Merchant Navy Memorial at Tower Hill London beside the name of the Ship is GOOLE in brackets. Can anyone tell me what the connection is? I know the Empire Oak was launched in March 1941 and did sea trials in July and was torpedoed in August and sunk on her way to the Mediterranean. I came across this Web Site and found it very interesting and just wondered if anyone could shed any light on the connection between the SS EMPIRE OAK and Goole. Thank you.



Posted by Diana Price at 17/11/2006 20:48
To George
Thank you for the information on the GRIPFAST.
I would be very pleased to send my cousin a photo for memories sake if possible?
Earlier on the Message Board I got a lot of help about my fathers ship Empire Oak. My cousins father Edward Temple was lost on H M Trawler Orfasy 1943 somewhere off the coast of Africa. His father and mine were brothers. I would greatly appreciate any help with the photo.
Thanks again
Diana

Posted by GEORGE ROBINSON at 02/12/2006 16:15
To Diana and Barry .... e-mail me at I will send copies of the photos to you

shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk

Posted by Diana Price at 04/12/2006 20:45
Hello George,
Many thanks for the marvellous photo of GRIPFAST, I have E-mailed it on to my cousin who remembers watching it being brought into Bridlington Harbour, with his father in 1940 after, like you said being bombed off Flamborough Head. Later his father was lost on the HMS ORFASY 1943. I am sure the photo will bring back memories to him, happy but tinged with sadness, like the ones my brother and I experienced seeing the photo of the ship that was a replica of our fathers ship also sunk earlier in the War.
Many,many thanks to to you and the Goole Website.
Regards, Diana.

Keith, details for GRIPFAST posted by me on 15/11/2006, e-mail me and I will send a photo

shipshull@shipshull.karoo.co.uk

George

Does anyone please have any information about a ship or tug called the WILLIAM WELLS of Goole. About 1891 ?

Thankyou.

Hi everyone. Does anyone know of a coaster possibly called Ballochbuie or Ballochberie. She was berthed at Goole on the night on the 1901 Census. My grandfather Frank Storr was listed as 1st Engineer.

Geoff

BALLOCHBUIE
1880, 677grt by Hall, Russell, Aberdeen for local owner J. & A.Davidson. They had her until sold in 1913 as PAUL, war loss by torpedo 26/9/1918.

I have a scan of a photo from Charlie Hill's albums, e-mail me for a copy.

George I don't have your e-mail address mine is geoffdepledge@hotmaiol.com.
Thanks for such an immediate response.

Andrew

WILLIAM WELLS

From an extract from the Goole Registers held at the Waterways Museum (extracts done by Ron Gosney of Knottingley) ....

Schooner (2), registered tonnage 70, built Hull 1845 by Humphrey & co.

1845 registered to Robert Rockett, Barmby near Howden and John Wells of Airmyn Pasture and two others

1848 registered to John Wells of Boothferry, James Laing of Southwark and William Lyal of Southwark

1856 registered to John Wells of Boothferry and William Hawksworth of Goole

1862 registered to John Wells of Boothferry and William Hawksworth of Goole.

Sailed from Exeter for Dublin on or about 16 Feb 1892 and not heard of since.

Does anyone remember my dad who was brought up in goole.lost his parents at an early age.and went to sea. Royal navy and merchant navy.he sailed out oF goole in the 50,s on rother/aire ton name a few,his name was ERIC LOFTHOUSE.

John Depledge (16/8/07)

It is possible you and I have some connection because I have a Violetta Coates in my family tree. She married my Great Grandfather John William Depledge in Goole on 11 Oct 1913. It was both their second marriages - he being a widower and she a widow. John was living in Richard Cooper St and Violetts in Phoenix St. I wonder if either St still there as I have never been to Goole.
John had 3 children by his first marriage, Ernest, Maud and Eric and Ernest was my grandfather and after service in WW1 lived
in and around Bradford. Maud had 1 son who moved to California after WW2. Eric married but had no children I believe. He also went to sea but I have no details.
John had 1 sister Lilly who married a George Ramsey and lived around Shipley.
My GG was William Flower Depledge whose name I have seen mentioned and I was interested in reference to the "Try" which I came across as a name the family being on board and at Southampton in the 1881 Census but had no details of the vessel itself. Also come across WF Depledge on the "Wonder" 1871 Census moored at Ryde IOW.
I was intrigued by the Depledge sea connection given (to me) Knottingley seems so far in land.
My Grandfather spelled the name De Pledge and my father de Pledge hence the difference.
Hope this is of interest.
Paul de Pledge

Paul De Pledge you are directly related to me contact me on geoffdepledge@hotmail.com if you want more info on the Depledges.
I would also like info from you re your family in the 1900's

Geoff

Paul De Pledge, also see Geoff Depledge 30/04/2006 re our family, Knottingley and boats.

Hello Paul,

I am connected in everyway you describe. I have met both your GF and GM, and I have been in touch with the american connection. If you would like to get in touch please do so.

Sorry my posting did not register the e-mail address. johndepledge@hotmail.com

Message for ali
What is the name of your great great grandfther as my gg grandfather, WILLIAM DENBY is listed as second mate on the NAVARRA in the 1891 cenusu

For some time now I have been reading your site.I find it of great interest as I grew up in Goole and quite few of my ancestors were mariners. I also use the 1881 ships in port website and have located some of my kinfolk. I have question I am hoping you are able to answer. I was looking on the 1881 census for William Appleyard 1843. When up came the crew of a ship named"v-Resolute" berthed at prittlewell essex 6 .Most of the crew were Goole men. J. Scott25. 2nd mate.W. Appleyard 38 AB. J.Rokett29AB B Collins37Engineeer.J. Harrison41 2nd. Engineer.D.Dudding32 Fireman.G. Appleyard31Fireman. At first I thought it was the famous Resolute. When I went on the Ships inport website it wasn not listed. I then contacted Bob Sanders the website manager to ask. He apologised for not including it on the site and said it was a merchantman. Was it a Goole ship?

Corby

That would indeed be a Gooole ship, RESOLUTE owned by William France of Leeds and registered at Goole.
Built in 1869 by James Laing, Sunderland, came onto Goole regsiter in 1871 and transferred to Sunderland register in 1889 so she would be the ship in the 1881 census.

Does anybody have any information on the cargo ship Empire Farnham also known as Jim M as my Grandfather was the Captin from 1944 to 1946

I am trying to find out more about my maternal grandfathers time in the merchant navy. Joseph Auckland Cook. I believe I have located him aged 15 at Leigh in Essex on the ships in port 1881 site The ship was the "Gem" I would like to know what kind of vessel if possible

EMPIRE FARNHAM later JIM M

Steve for info click on Goole Shipyard Info at top right corner of this page then look for her under the 1944 section as EMPIRE FARNHAM and select that page for details and photos of her as JIM M.

Re. Coimbatore (Norwegian Barque)

to--George and David

Was sunk after a collision with Barque Zinita SW of Australia, one survivor Dec 25th 1905. I have a 3 page diary entry from my Grandfather who was an apprentice on the Zinita and was on deck when this happened.

Would anyone have information relating to ship repairers named
Harrison and Doughty ? worked out of Goole and Hull I believe

Roach p,my friend,
Many thanks for your info ref the Coinbatore.It was fortunate that by the time that disaster occurred my g/f had moved o.n to steamships and despite being torp'd in WW1 lived to reach a grand age.

Corby Bunting (name rings a bell) only two little Gems I can find matching 1881 dates.Are Gem passenger cargo buider J Henderson Renfrew132 tons.also Gem 1878 cargo vessel built by Fullerton of Paisley both small vessels seem like they are Clyde puffers.There are more Gems but built after the census date you mention.

For Corby
I took a look at the census ships in port 1881 at Leigh Essex
Disregard previous message the Gem looks suspiciously like a humber keel or barque see top of this page right for details.Only Five crew members aboard inc skippers wife and daughter.This vessel meets exactly with a sailing barge. my ggrandfather was on one running would you believe with his family from Knottingley
to Poole in Dorset also the London river.
Hope this helps

Hello
I am trying to find as much info on the vessel "Golden Wedding" which was registered in Goole She sank in the Gulf of Mexico in the early 1900`s.
My Grandfather John Barker was rescued from the ship.

Chris barker

I have come into the ownership of a photo album of a trip which was made in January 1953 on the ship "Oronsay". The lady went with friends to England, Cairo, Scotland and other places. It is from a deceased estate, I am trying to find maybe a relative or the other people who may have gone with her. Most of the photos are postcards as it was expensive to develop film. Have only one lead and that is a place they stayed at in England, "Squirrel" and the the host and hostess Phil and Bert.
If anyone can help me that would be very appreciated.
Janine

Att:Chris Barker ref Golden Wedding.

Chris,
My g/f Captain Joseph Lea had four brothers,all ships masters,the youngest being Stephen who went to sea aged 15yrs.He must have been a late starter as Joseph was 12 years old when he joined the Coinbatorie.
Stephen spent some four years plus on the Golden Wedding and had moved on by the time she was wrecked.However I have an undated article from the Goole Times that not only has a photo of the ship but a somewhat detailed account of a young lads life on board a barquentine at the turn of the century.
I look forward to hearing from you,
David L-J

Chris/David
GOLDEN WEDDING
Presumably the one described as a brigantine built in 1897 by W.Caiseley at Howdendyke. In 1905 her owner was C.Kilner.

George,
How are you these days?You are correct ref the Golden Wedding,fitted out by Charles Carr of Goole.
Regards,
David L-J.

George . I read with interest your details regarding brigantine. "Golden Wedding". I have been trying for some time now to find out the ships built by John Banks of Howden. I now believe he was merely the owner of the yard and all credit must go to the shipbuilder William Caisley. Can you tell me? Is there any Books or information I could follow up re. the other vessels and masters? Your info tells me W. Caisley was building ships long after the demise of the Banks family.

Corby

Vessels built by Caisley extracted from various sources (mainly Lloyds Register 1905)

Name, type, year, tonnage
I have some later career details on a few of them.

POLYHYMNIA Ketch 1881 72
ELITE Schooner 1883 118
PROSPERINE Ketch 1884 86
THALIA Ketch 1884 79
PARTHENOPE Ketch 1885 90
METIS Ketch 1886 90
EGERIA Ketch 1887 92
IRIS Ketch 1887 92
MAUDE MARY Ketch 1889 77
GEORGE KILNER Brigantine 1891 124
GOLDEN WEDDING Brigantine 1897 216
HYDRO Sloop 1897 60
BEATRICE Dry Cargo 1901 128

ps

and following built by Banks or Banks Jnr. at Howdendyke so perhaps the same yard taken over by Caisley as all these pre-date the Casiley vessels.

FULLERTON Brigantine 1854 172
SALTMARSHE Schooner 1854 70
BRACKENHOLME Brigantine 1857 115
ISABELLA PRATT Schooner 1859 59
JAMES PRATT Schooner 1860 117
BABTHORPE Sail 1861 192
SARAH & JANE Schooner 1863 96
SWALLOW Schooner 1864 116
JANE & MARY Sloop 1865 37
HOWDEN Schooner 1866 120
WILLIAM CASS Schooner 1866 104
JOHN & JAMES Schooner 1867 71
CAMBRIA Ketch 1869 53
BRACKENHOLME Sail 1869 116
UNITY Schooner 1870 179
SUPERB Ketch 1871 159
MERLIN Brigantine 1874 252
SPARKLING GLANCE Sail 1899 166
GUIDING STAR Sail 1875 107
SPARKLING GLANCE Schooner 1878 142

Shuffleton Streets post 2.9.2007
You offered to send some information on Captain Ellwood fom Goole.
Many thanks for your help.
email
mellwood@archchemicals.com

George. I am very grateful for your hard work in locating this data for me. I appreciate the time involved . Thank you very much

I am led to believe that my Great grandfather was on the ss humber when she was sunk in 1912. anyone know how I might be able to check? his name was Jules le Carpentier.
many thanks
Dean

Hi,
I have just discovered that one of my ancestors, Robert Cawson, aka Masters, was killed in December 1898, due to the collapse of a crane platform on the Goole Canal. If anyone has any information about this, I would be very grateful to hear from them, please.
Many thanks,
Chris

Because of numerous inquiries about Les Depledge and Capt Harold Lawson I thought you may find the following of interest.
S.S Sanfry July 1940 the Goole built and crewed Sanfry 946ton vessel came under attack by a german eboat.Captain Lawson age 38 of Riversdale and his brother Joseph a deck hand of Sotheren Street Leslie Depledge Steward of Brough Street all three men were decorated for action undertaken.Returning fire with it 12-pounder and a Lewis gun from the bridge.In the attack the Sanfrys gunner William Jewel was dragged to safety by Leslie Depledge and Joe Lawson.Captain Lawson was awarded an OBE.The following March Captain Lawson his brother and Les Depledge were all awarded the Lloyds war medal as well as a citation from the Amiralty and Prime Minister on behalf of the king.

Pedro, I think there was also a special radio programme or broadcast about this action, have seen a transcript somewhere.

George yes we had quite a few local heroes that I had the pleasure of sailing with.For instance Thomas Leslie Cross of Dunhill Rd Goole had been the survivor of a machine gun attack by a German Aircraft off the N.E Coast.The plane was driven off by fire from the ships Lewis gun.
This was only one of Toms wartime incidents after joining Whartons (shipping) Ltd of Keadby as an AB in 1936 were he spent much of the war as Captain of the Motor ship Gladonia
the Gladonia faced many such attacks from the air and in two incidents was accredited with shooting down enemy aircraft.
Cross was later decorated for the role he and his ship had played in the Normandy landings.
Before he died in 1954 at the age of 44 Tom Cross had become the Commodore master of Whartons Shipping.(Keadby)

Re- the above Toms brother George took command of the Gladonia after Toms death.Later took the Stevonia and Tryonia.
For a rather humerous but never the less true story about George take a look at the ALL AT SEA website Salty Tales.Under COOKS DEAD SKIP. by yours truly

Can anyone remember William Eric Heworth. Survivor of the Corea. Who later joined The Air/Sea rescue service. I understand he saw action at Dunkirk. Was this while he was still in the Merchant? I have recently spoken at length with his daughter and sister. Who have no recollection. I have a copy of his RAF service career with many comendations. Serving all around our coast and ending up in Shetland and Norway

Has anyone any information about a ship called India,I think it was built in Goole in 1876.Any help would be appreciated

The recent postings about the heroism of merchant navy men in the lat war made me once again deplore the fact that the MN is so often neglected in accounts of the war and commemoration events. I have just read a book on the D Day landings and the MN is not even listed in the index. My dad was part of that operation - after surviving the N Atlantic convoys. I know from him the contribution the MN made to that operation and the risks they took. It makes me very sad and angry that they are so often overlooked.
Bill.

bill very sad but true

Corby,
re your post concerning William Eric Heworth.Eric was my dads best man having been friends from childhood.They both applied to the RAF airsea rescue side at the same time,unfortunately my dad had been lost at sea by the time his papers came through.
Should you feel the need do not hesitate to ring me on 01268 544481.
Regards,
David L-J

s.s. "Sanfry"

The broadcast referred to in recent postings took place on Friday 20th December 1940, after the 1.0 p.m. news in the Home Service Programme. I have a copy of the broadcast that runs to 2 sides of A4. It may not have been a lengthy broadcast, however it was recorded in the Lloyd's List and Shipping Gazette on Tuesday the 18th March 1941 and the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty gained permission from the King for publication in the London Gazette. I don't have a date for that but the recommendation letter was dated 18th October 1940.

In addition to the Lloyds Medal they were awarded bronze oak leafs as they were "mentioned in despatches". These are worn on the medal ribbon.

In further recognition the ships owners provided a lunch for the crew and family folklore has it that my father and Deckhand Lawson chose to take £10 (the alternative was a watch) as it acounted to more than a weeks wage. Lawson it was claimed spent his £10 on a pram for his new or expected child!

Somewhere out there may be a "young Lawson" who still has the pram!!

Most of the "Sanfry" incident has been recorded in The Goole Times and covered by Mike Marsh in his books "Goole at War" and an abridged version of the broadcast appeared in the Goole Times of 13th June 1991 when it reported the death of Captain Lawson.

Ahoy Pedro! Hope you are still beating the bushes for a sighting of George the Cannon, take care H

Ahoy Hamish no sign as yet of George. However last week I went for a beer and ran into an old man called Billy Guy struggling to get in with his walking stick. Passed on your regards he said F****ng ell orlus wondered what appened to im
Keep smiling

Thanks for that Pedro! Next time you run into the Guy, if he is unsure as to who I am, ask him to show you his twisted finger,and remind him I am the guy(no pun intended) who pulled him out of the drink in Poole harbour (by his finger) Poor old Billy, must be getting old along with the rest of us, take care H

hi george and hamish i thought you two might know my dad ERIC LOFTHOUSE.he must of been at sea the same time as you.oh well if not look after your selves.he would be 83 know but sadly he died in 1988.

Greetings Tom ! What did your dad sail as(what department?)with a name like that I guess he got the nickname "Lofty,"which is always a draw back in remembering people, trying to put real names to nicknames, I only sailed with one "lofty" a fireman out of Hull whose real name was Cornforth, he was called "Lofty" because he was, about six six. Did Your dad sail out of Goole?If so was he on any of the "Lanky" boats,i'm sure somebody will pick up on your post,take care H

to Tony Jackson 9/9/07 You were in need of any information re. your family history. Alfred Jackson(1845) married Martha Cook(1852) in 1875 their children were George,Ada,Emily,Edith,Alfred & Edwin. Martha being one of eighteen children born to John Singleton Cook & Martha, My GGGrandparents. Another child being Charles who was on the Rosa of Goole 1881 Ships in Port 3. He took the job from his father who previously held thet position. another link we may have. My Grand aunt Eliza Charlotte Bunting (1853)married a John Sutcliff (1846) seaman

to Tony Jackson. My John Sutcliff Was the Son of Edward Sutciff.( 1821) Waterman from Hebden BridgeSee 1881 census. One of your family living around the corner in Castleford. I am sure I can find a link. John and his family set up home at 49 North St. It must have bee a large house for besides his own family he took in most of his wifes lot from Kings Lynn until they were all married. You also mentioned the ship Babthorpe which was built by John Banks at Howdendyke1861

Whilst searching the National Archives today I came across a list of British Merchant Seamen interned in Germany in WW1. Four possible Goole ships are listed: SS Dearne, SS Equity, SS Winterton and SS Edwin Hunter.
Many of these seamen were sent to the famous Ruhleben Camp for civilians and spent four years there.
The crew from the Edwin Hunter which was unfortunately in Kiel, Germany at the start of the war were:- George N Heslop Ab, W Woolhouse, John Townsley 1st officer, William Hunter Chief Engineer, John Harrison, GW Hammond Fireman, A Lowther, G Gillingwater Ab,William Cook Master, James Askew Ab and George W Johnson. There may be more but these are the only ones I noticed. Kiel of course was the headquarters of the German Imperial Fleet.
I thought that this information might be of interest to people who are trying to research their family tree. If they contact me I will give them the site reference.

from corby bunting to christine rickards. I am keenly interested in what you have said. Please forward site reference

Sorry Christine my email address is bill@bunting.me.uk

Hello Bill, I have sent you the page references. Let me know if they don't get through and I will try again. e- mail is chris.townsley@tiscali.co.uk

Can any one help me, I was a deck hand on mv Harcliff of comben longstaff company 1960/61 and would love to have a photo of her, i was 15 then i am now 65.
I no the ships were all brooks mine was not can anyone shed some light, my ship was sunk 4.9.71 when it was in collision with MV Zagora off casablanca harbour.
I would be very gratefull if any one could give me more information and photos.
COASTER
1945 mv marna 1960 harcliff hargreaves coal & shipping

go to top of page right goole shipbuilding you can see photo of her built as empirecliff 1940 also as harcliff. thanks to George

Harcliff belonged to Hargreaves of London.They started out as James Hargreaves and son of Leeds coal &shipping.She was under charter to Comben Longstaff (brook boats) But I dont believe they ever owned her altho they would have payed your wages etc. Same company had Harfry etc

I have a book Comben Longstaff & Co Ltd., by K.S.Garrett available from the World Ship Society. There is a good photograph on page 134 and a paragraph of the ship's career. If I remember correctly the book is about £15. Just 'Google' World Ship Society for more detail.

Regards

As a young customs officer I was posted to Goole in 1958. I had never heard of the town, but I took to the place immediately. My landlord was "Trunky" May in Marshfield Avenue , an ex Chief Steward. He and his wife did me proud
As I walked into the dock to report on my first day, I met the rummage crew who immediately diverted me to the Lowther. It was a foretaste of what was to come. Some of my colleagues were: Frank(Tug) Wilson, Charles Kilvington, Stan Coates, Ken Ryle Harry Lober. I had the pleasure of meeting Jock the seaman's union man referred to above. Does anyone remember any of the above mentioned Customs officers? Any news would be most welcome.

Ian see Pedro's and my postings above around 03/05/07 for some rumage squad banter

Ian, I think most of customs officers of those days have passed away, and for a customs officer none better than Stan Coates. You don't mention John Baverstock, John Kaye or Himmler(even you will know who Himmler was). Many happy memories of meeting most of them while boarding ships as water clerk(although there were some hard cases).

You are right Paul EVERYONE new "Himmler"

Paul and hamish thank you for replying. I was in Goole 1957/58. I remember Stan well, and also John Baverstock. Needless to say I also remember Himmler. His name was Bob Jenkinson a Preventive Officer. Bob had a deep scar on his forehead and wore gold rimmed glasses. His uniform cap was worn U boat commander style and tilted over one eye. He reckoned (correctly) that his appearance was pretty impressive, and he once said to me: " Do I look Fierce,Iain?" I thought I'd better hedge my bets and replied " Quite fierce Bob." Really he was a bit of a pussy cat. We had dealings mainly with Chief Stewards, and I remember Sid on the Hebble, and Geoff and Freddy Cline on the Abbey boats. All gentlemen. I was in my early twenties in those days and over the next 40 years or so I worked all over Britain from Dover in the south to Lerwick in the north most of it in plain clothes service , latterly in VAT in Glasgow, but I will always have the fondest memories of Goole and its friendly people.

M V Harcliff 1960.
I would like to thank Pedro and John Depledge for the trouble they took in finding the photos of my ship, A VERY MANY THANKS TO YOU BOTH. I wish you and your families a very merry christmas and luck for 2008.
Malcolm

YVW Malcom a Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.And indeed all our friends who use this web site.Not forgetting George for all his help with Goole shipbuilding info and a very informative Riversea site

Ian you forgot to mention "Himmler's"long leather overcoat(supplied by Pedro)and his jack boots, he was I think a "Closet" terrorist, he liked to hide in the dock yard sheds long after the ships had docked then jump out from behind a pile of cargo to accost us poor unsuspecting sailors,going ashore, but we soon got onto his ploy, and would send one of the young lads ashore"Clean' and when accosted by "Himmler' would take off at a mad gallop away from the exit ,and when we knew the chase was on ,we would scarper ashore with the loot, that was in the early 50's when I sailed on the" Lanky"boats,

JAWOHL Hamish but my supply of the leathers did pay off.As some time later disembarking from the Macclesfield at Hulls riverside Quay he caught me red handed 23rd Dec after a slap on the wrist and wishing me a merry xmas sent me on my way.
Actually he was a nice chap:)

That was a bonus Pedro, and I must admit he never did me any harm,just kept me limbre, but in retrospect I don't think he was a good advert for the Customs ,as we would run a pool on who could get the most past "Himmler" I know there were many more excise men on the squad, but his was the name used when we made a good haul, getting it past "Himmler" so to speak ,and none of us were making millions, just trying to make up our "LankyBoat" pittance to a living wage, if I recall right a bottle of Duty free rum was 7/6 and could be sold ashore for 25bob )with the seal intact, but you only got one inbound, the outbound bottle didn't seem to survive to become an inbound bottle, ah them were the day's

Has anyone got any photo's of a ship Built in 1950 in Goole called the Beeding, it was then sold t Kelly and re-named the Ballymore?

top right on this page goole shipyard info you will find her pics

Brian I sailed on the "Beeding" and do have some pictures,give me your E mail and I will forward,there are also some pics on the 'Ships nostalgia" website

Hi Hamish,

That would be great my father was the chief engineer on the ship when it was known as the ballymore and his cousin was second engineer, i was on it myself for a few trips as a child, it would be great to see some good pictures.

my email Is BJC@live.ie.

Thank you
Brian

Sorry Brian I jumped the gun , I did have several pictures of her , but I had a puter crash(Virus) a couple of weeks ago which wiped my pictures and documents, but if you follow Pedro's advice and click on Goole Shipyard news on this site there are some good shots of her as the Beeding and the Ballymore,I would be interested to know if they repowered her after they stuck a chunk in her middle, she had a Polar Atlas two strock when I was on her

Hamish

My Father was retired by that time when she was sold, so i dont know much about her after that, he also sailed on the balleyedward from Magheramourne to ayr. i have a picture of her sailing into Carrickfergus in Co. Antrim.

Hi Everyone I think my uncle was a Goole Pilot in the 1940/50s,

His name was Jim Binnington, can anyone confirm this.

Regards Alan Pike.

My wifes only remaining aunt lives in Warrington.We paid her a visit last year. The talk came round to her father Ted Hall mariner of Jackson St.and his father George William Bowman Hall also Mariner of Montague St. The next day our journey took us to Hull to visit my mate. Whilst talking to his wife, I asked her if she was a Goole or Hull girl. She said she had lived all her life in Hull. But her G Grandfather was a Goole sea captain and his name was George William Bowman Hall. Her grandfather being John Hall survior of the "Merville" 1923.But victim of theRye. I am trying to find out more about G. W. B Hall The first entry in his grave was another mariner Sydney Middleton. His brotherin law

Hello There i have a ticket from the oronsay from 1925 which left from tilbury to australia and i was wondering if any one knows any information about the ship or any one who sailed on this ship.

Many thanks x

( jamesmcghie@live.co.uk )

looking for any information on a fishing vessel commisioned in ww1 as a mine sweeper my grandads occupation on my mothers birth certificate is down as deckhand on mine sweeper hercules fishing vessel my grand father was thoms pardon and lived in north shields north tynside

For those who made a comment about the Yew Valley - the sailor was Jack Brocklesby, my great uncle and cousin to my dad, Harry Mongon, who still lives in Goole

re Goole Shipbuilding and Repairing Co. Ltd
My dad was a manager at Goole, and I have some photo's of the ships being built, and lauched at Goole and Selby.

My ggggrandfather was Thomas Mawson of Brunswick terrace Leeds, he was born 1785 and died 1838.
He was the agent and manager of the Leeds Liverpool canal co,in his will he mentions his boat "Mary" worked from leeds to Hull I think.
the Master was Amos Crawshaw can anyone give me more information please?

My Gt grandfather William Henry PENLIGEN (1849-1901), born Dartmouth, but lived and sailed from Hull for Bailey and Leatham (late 1860's til his death in 1901), was master of the SS China. Any info would be great. KiwiJane

My grandfather Harry Denis Carlton was on the convoy OG71. He was picked up by the Empire Oak after his ship the Alva went down. He was then picked up by the HMS Zinnia and then transferred to HMS Boreas. But cannot find any information regarding the Zinnia anywhere picking up survivers from the Empire Oak. He survived and lived to a grand old age of 87. Any idea where i can find more info on this subject? thanks

Howard i have been researching the Empire oak as my grandfather was a survivor... if u like check out the Mercantilemarine.org there are a few forums discussing this convoy.

My Great Uncle was Michael Kavanagh who died on the Empire Oak. Family legend has it that he was on the SS Aguila with his brother which Michael survived and was picked up by Empire Oak. Unfortunatelyhe didn't survive this second torpedo attack. Pedro, you mentioned above that Michael Dennis Kavanagh was known as distressed seaman - would this be because of the rescue from the Aguila or is there another reason? It may be that he was never on the Aguila perhaps? I look forward to any news on this at all.

Thanks Sophie

Sherrie if you go to National Archives documents on line you can download details of all merchant ships giving details of their voyages during the war. You only need to input the ships name each download costs £3.5

Hi Sophie
regarding the SS Aguila. I have a contact who has been researching this ship. She may be able to help you. I would only be too happy to pass on your details to her.

Sherrie

Re the Empire Oak/Alva/Aguila - My great uncle Nicholas Concepcion was a crew member on the Empire Oak (thank you so much Pedro for earlier posting of crew list ... so poignant!). I understand that the Empire Oak picked up 6 survivors from the Aguila (including Sophie's Great Uncle?) and 11 from the Alva (including Sherrie's grandfather?). When the Empire Oak was torpedoed the 6 from the Aguila then perished but the 11 from the Alva did not and were transferred with other survivors to another ship and to safety. Our family was told that Uncle Nick survived the first torpedo on the Empire Oak, but not the second ship he was rescued by - could this have been the Zinnia? I have read that a random group of Merchant/Navy seamen were transferred from the Zinnia, fortunately it turns out as when she was torpeded there were only 17 survivors. So sad, but so interesting to remember all these brave people. Uncle Nick had 5 little children under 10 and a beautiful blue-eyed wife, my Auntie Bess, who lived into her 80's but never remarried. Bless 'em all.

Hello!!! I have just discovered this site and found references and requests fo information regarding the ship "Marlwood". Tom Collier, my Grandfather, was the master of the Marlwood. I have some plates retreived form the ship with its picture on them. Unfortunately they have been broken and glued back together. I also have a brass ships clock from the Marlwood as well, though I believe my uncle albert (Tom's son) has the one that chimes the quarter hour etc. My grandmother Lilly (Tom's wife) lives in Auckland New Zealand. She turned 100 on June 30th and is cared for by my Aunt Joan one of her daughters. My mother, Maureen, her husband Clive and I live in Invercargill New Zealand which is at the bottom of the South Island. Grandfather always said New Zealand was his favourite place and wanted the whole family to move here. Sadly he passed away in 1970 and never made that move with us. He is sorely missed. I will send a copy of some of the information from this site to my aunt and Grandmother to read. They may know many of the people mentioned and have some useful information that may be useful for your research.

Cheers, Mark Mackenzie.

Hi Marie, from what i have discovered only a handful of survivors from the Empire Oak were picked up by the Zinnier, one was in fact my grandfather. He was lucky to have been transfered to HMS Boreas and only passed away a few years ago. Most of the sites i have found regarding this story claim the survivors were picked up by the Campanular then transfered onto HMS Velox. So it does seem that your great uncle may have been picked up alongside my grandfather.

regards
Sherrie

Any information on a Richard Watson, born Kippax 1778c, presumed to be a Master Mariner with own sloop trading between the Continent and Humber ports. Later in very early 1800s a Waterman of Castleford owning Keels running between Goole and Leeds on the river.

Hello Sherrie
From guesswork based on the few facts we have, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that as an Able Seaman on the Empire Oak, my great-uncle could helped your grandfather out of the sea after the sinking of the Alva, and on to the Empire Oak - or at the very least spoken to him on the crowded little tug. Then, two nights later when the Empire Oak was hit, your grandfather (according to that fascinating account on the Mercantile Marine site?) bravely swam for help to save his shipmates, including my great uncle? When our two relatives were apparently picked up by the Zinnia, your grandfather was one of those then transferred to the HMS Boreas and saved, while my great-uncle was one of those left behind on the Zinnia and perished, when it was also torpedoed and sank. We'll probably never know, but we do know that sailors helped each other and I'm glad that your grandfather, despite his terrible ordeals, survived being torpedoed twice and lived to tell the tale.

Best wishes,
Marie

Hi
I am interested to know more about Herbert Page Webster as I believe he may have been a relative

Steve Webster

I sailed on SS Dorset a federal ship of N.Z.S.C..in 1950/51/52 under a a very hard Bosun called "Geordie Morton" anybody got any info on this guy Please ??

Anyone remember an old ship tied up on the bollards for years.We used to call it the Old Message? 1930`s.

Hello, I am trying to find any information about the brig Areta. in 1857. My greatgrandmother was born on it on a voyage to India. Has anyone any idea where it sailed from in England and whether there would be any details of passenger lists. I know it sank in 1878 but no other details. Thank you

looking for d.n.a of john akinson of hull 1800 bucter and is son
henny francis atkinson mate of the goole tug the crime star
farther of james francs atkinson...... how marid merry watson
of hull link to captain,s in linc,s and hull and scotland tea cutter,s china to britan....ete and like to a chnaese family

Looking for any information on the Dearne, which was captured by the Germans at Hamburg in 1914...and my great uncle George W Johnson and his son leslie, who were on the ship. They were later taken to Ruhleben p.o.w camp in Germamyand interned during the war. Any info would be appreciated.